| 05:31:44 | sholl2: | hello mapbenders |
| 05:32:19 | sholl2: | could someone point me to a doc how to upload getCapabilities.xml from a file into mapbender? |
| 05:33:42 | sholl2: | I browsed mapbender.org but did not find something about it. |
| 06:10:14 | Testbaudson: | sholl2: http://www.mapbender.org/AddWMS |
| 06:10:15 | sigq: | Title: AddWMS - MapbenderWiki ( at www.mapbender.org ) |
| 06:11:54 | sholl2: | Testbaudson: this is not the stuff I need. I like to permantly upload the caps to the MB-DB inside the admin-interface. |
| 06:12:01 | sholl2: | but thanks for the url. |
| 06:12:59 | sholl2: | but: the server does not have direct connection to the server in question. |
| 06:13:52 | Testbaudson: | so the WMS is unreachable from your server? why? |
| 06:26:22 | Testbaudson: | so store the cap document in a file ... |
| 06:26:27 | Testbaudson: | and upload the file |
| 06:26:46 | Testbaudson: | in the administration interface |
| 06:40:26 | spsneo: | Testbaudson: have u written today's agendas? |
| 06:41:35 | Testbaudson: | hi spsneo |
| 06:41:51 | Testbaudson: | I've added some points, not all |
| 06:42:08 | spsneo: | ohkk.. |
| 06:42:43 | spsneo: | can we discuss the gsoc stuff in the first place.. |
| 06:42:51 | spsneo: | as I'll have to miss dinner otherwise.. |
| 06:43:20 | Testbaudson: | no problem |
| 06:44:43 | spsneo: | ohk thnks |
| 06:54:00 | samsonight: | hi |
| 06:54:51 | Testbaudson: | hi samsonight |
| 06:56:57 | Testbaudson: | time for our weekly meeting |
| 06:56:58 | spsneo: | Testbaudson: should we start the roll cal;? |
| 06:57:04 | orkam_wrk: | hello |
| 06:57:15 | Testbaudson: | let's start with the roll call |
| 06:57:17 | Testbaudson: | Christoph |
| 06:57:38 | spsneo: | Siddharth Prakash Singh |
| 06:57:43 | orkam_wrk: | Johannes |
| 06:57:47 | samsonight: | Marko |
| 06:57:53 | LenKne: | Len Kne |
| 06:58:16 | Testbaudson: | I'm not sure if sevenof9 and ur can join us today... |
| 06:58:20 | Testbaudson: | let's start anyway |
| 06:58:53 | spsneo: | URL of teh agenda? |
| 06:58:58 | Testbaudson: | todays agenda can be found at |
| 06:59:02 | Testbaudson: | http://www.mapbender.org/IRC_Meeting#Meeting_Agenda_for_May_19.2C_2008 |
| 06:59:04 | sigq: | Title: IRC Meeting - MapbenderWiki ( at www.mapbender.org ) |
| 06:59:11 | Testbaudson: | any additions to the agenda? |
| 06:59:25 | Testbaudson: | if yes, please edit the wiki site |
| 06:59:33 | Testbaudson: | let's start with topic 1 |
| 06:59:42 | Testbaudson: | 1 ) Google Summer of Code Q&A |
| 06:59:44 | orkam_wrk: | Q: Is the mapstorer integration still on the roadmap ( 3.0 )? |
| 07:00:10 | Testbaudson: | orkam_wrk: let's put that on the agenda...we can discuss this next |
| 07:00:28 | orkam_wrk: | ok |
| 07:00:34 | spsneo: | Well this week I am working on medi wiki's update routine. |
| 07:00:45 | spsneo: | I'l submit the analysis on thursday |
| 07:01:04 | spsneo: | and as u commented on my last report, this time it will be a much more extensive report |
| 07:01:29 | Testbaudson: | we are curious about your report, spsneo |
| 07:01:41 | spsneo: | Testbaudson: ok |
| 07:01:44 | Testbaudson: | ( spsneo is developing an automated update routine for Mapbender ) |
| 07:02:11 | astroidex: | hihi |
| 07:02:11 | spsneo: | Testbaudson: can u please let me know if u want me to stress especially on somethign about media wiki's routine.. |
| 07:02:28 | Testbaudson: | we are evaluating MediaWiki's update routine... |
| 07:02:34 | Testbaudson: | maybe we can model our routine after theirs |
| 07:02:48 | spsneo: | ok |
| 07:02:53 | Testbaudson: | spsneo: try to find out what we need to do in Mapbender... |
| 07:03:04 | Testbaudson: | in order to use the MediaWiki routine |
| 07:03:09 | spsneo: | ok |
| 07:03:27 | Testbaudson: | maybe it's not working at all... |
| 07:03:40 | spsneo: | ok |
| 07:03:42 | Testbaudson: | we are still in the evaluation phase and basically need information on how they are doing this |
| 07:03:55 | spsneo: | ok |
| 07:04:01 | spsneo: | got your point Testbaudson |
| 07:04:11 | Testbaudson: | spsneo: any further questions? |
| 07:04:12 | spsneo: | any other comment from anyone else? |
| 07:04:32 | spsneo: | Testbaudson: i'll coem up with questions ( if any ) in my report |
| 07:04:40 | spsneo: | any suggestions fromanybody else? |
| 07:04:44 | Testbaudson: | do we have a project site in the wiki, spsneo? |
| 07:04:57 | Testbaudson: | maybe we should start a project site and update it on a regular basis |
| 07:05:01 | spsneo: | theres a user page in the wiki. |
| 07:05:06 | Testbaudson: | so other can keep track of your work |
| 07:05:21 | spsneo: | ok ., so I need to create a new page right |
| 07:05:26 | spsneo: | I'll do that tonight |
| 07:05:26 | Testbaudson: | I guess a special project site will be better...I will create it |
| 07:05:33 | spsneo: | ok |
| 07:05:39 | samsonight: | will you compare some other "systems" with the wiki thing |
| 07:06:01 | spsneo: | samsonight: i didnt get u |
| 07:06:19 | spsneo: | samsonight: i am just analyzing the update routine of mediwiki |
| 07:06:35 | spsneo: | samsonight: will u please explain me ur querry once again |
| 07:07:02 | samsonight: | will you have a look to other update routines, too? |
| 07:07:22 | Testbaudson: | samsonight, do you have any others in mind? |
| 07:07:26 | spsneo: | samsonight: i havent thought of yet. |
| 07:07:39 | spsneo: | samsonight: if u have any in ind, i'll surely go through |
| 07:08:04 | samsonight: | not yet. ;- ) |
| 07:08:20 | spsneo: | samsonight: pleas epost on dev list if u have any in mind |
| 07:08:25 | spsneo: | i'll be thankful to you |
| 07:08:33 | spsneo: | i'll surely go through |
| 07:08:45 | spsneo: | as it will help me a lot later in this project |
| 07:09:04 | spsneo: | LenKne: i guess u r the fellow gsoc student? |
| 07:09:11 | samsonight: | ok |
| 07:09:13 | Testbaudson: | yes, contributions are very helpful to spsneo |
| 07:09:16 | LenKne: | Yes, I'm just starting today as my official first day on GSoC |
| 07:09:26 | spsneo: | LenKne: great ! |
| 07:09:36 | Testbaudson: | welcome LenKne! |
| 07:09:46 | LenKne: | Been working with 2.4.2 for over six months and just installed 2.5 over the weekend |
| 07:10:21 | Testbaudson: | any problems with 2.5? |
| 07:10:31 | spsneo: | LenKne: you have the experience advantage |
| 07:10:57 | LenKne: | No problems installing 2.5 |
| 07:11:03 | Testbaudson: | nice :- ) |
| 07:11:28 | Testbaudson: | So what are your plans for the coming week? |
| 07:11:46 | LenKne: | I have no questions yet, interested the discussion below on application elements and such |
| 07:12:08 | Testbaudson: | yes, very relevant to your project! |
| 07:12:44 | spsneo: | pwd |
| 07:12:50 | spsneo: | sorry |
| 07:13:05 | Testbaudson: | ( LenKne is working on the administration modules in GSoC ) |
| 07:13:46 | Testbaudson: | Len, I guess for your project we will have to find the line between your needs and our ideas |
| 07:13:49 | LenKne: | This week I see planning and getting up a project site ( or page ) to get out ideas and feedback on what the admin modules should look like |
| 07:13:58 | Testbaudson: | afair, you want to change the user model? |
| 07:14:14 | Testbaudson: | and the group model? |
| 07:15:01 | LenKne: | It would be great if a group could be a member of a group |
| 07:15:24 | Testbaudson: | sounds promising...I think we should make a motion on this as soon as possible |
| 07:15:42 | Testbaudson: | so we can vote on this on the developer mailing list |
| 07:16:25 | spsneo: | Testbaudson, ya it would be nice |
| 07:16:57 | Testbaudson: | ok, if there are no further questions or comments, I think we can move on |
| 07:17:15 | : | * Testbaudson waits a little for comments or questions... |
| 07:17:50 | Testbaudson: | ok, let's move on |
| 07:17:57 | astroidex: | okay |
| 07:18:00 | Testbaudson: | 2 ) MapStorer integration |
| 07:18:17 | astroidex: | who added this topic? |
| 07:18:17 | Testbaudson: | orkam_wrk, please elaborate |
| 07:18:59 | orkam_wrk: | Well, there have been discussions about that in the past, it's a lot of wor, though, but it would be very useful to to so IMHO |
| 07:19:33 | Testbaudson: | what do you mean exactly by MapStorer integration? |
| 07:19:54 | : | * Testbaudson is a developer only without GIS knowlegde |
| 07:19:56 | orkam_wrk: | Mapstorer is the only application I know so far, to administrate mapfiles, so, I just wantet to know if there are any plans to integrate it into mapbender? |
| 07:20:23 | Testbaudson: | where would it be integrated? |
| 07:20:24 | astroidex: | unfortunately mapstorer is not defeloped at the moment |
| 07:20:26 | orkam_wrk: | Or, let's say: make them work together |
| 07:20:37 | Testbaudson: | can you name a use case? |
| 07:20:42 | astroidex: | so the mapfiles are not in mapserver 5.0 syntax |
| 07:20:47 | astroidex: | but mapserver 4.x |
| 07:20:54 | spsneo: | Sorry everybodu I wil have to leave, as its getting late here for dinner. |
| 07:20:57 | Testbaudson: | isn't lars working on this? |
| 07:20:57 | spsneo: | Please dont mind |
| 07:21:06 | Testbaudson: | thanks for attending spsneo, bye |
| 07:21:15 | spsneo: | Testbaudson, thanks |
| 07:21:19 | spsneo: | thanks all |
| 07:21:20 | samsonight: | bye spsneo |
| 07:21:21 | astroidex: | Is he? I don't now and I don't think so |
| 07:21:39 | Testbaudson: | He told me a few weeks ago he was working on a parser for MapStorer |
| 07:21:51 | Testbaudson: | not sure about the details |
| 07:22:12 | orkam_wrk: | that's what i thought... But: the application is on a more or less stable state, as far as I can estimate, there are only a few bugs to fix, to make it run fine |
| 07:22:59 | orkam_wrk: | What I am trying to do at the moment is to get a stable 'workflow' from ArcGIS via AMEIN ( sleeping, too ) into mapstorer, to get ArcGis Projects online quickly |
| 07:23:20 | orkam_wrk: | And, what's very important, to make the layout changable via a GUI |
| 07:23:56 | orkam_wrk: | So that 'not so advanced' users can administrate geodata easily - just a idea so far |
| 07:24:42 | Testbaudson: | ok, I get it |
| 07:24:43 | orkam_wrk: | have a good time spsneo : ) |
| 07:24:55 | Testbaudson: | I don't see a ticket in Trac at the moment |
| 07:25:08 | orkam_wrk: | I have not added one yet |
| 07:25:19 | Testbaudson: | ok |
| 07:25:29 | Testbaudson: | so here's what you should do: |
| 07:25:35 | orkam_wrk: | First wanted to hear what you devs think about that |
| 07:26:20 | Testbaudson: | hmm... |
| 07:26:44 | : | * Testbaudson has never used MapStorer |
| 07:27:03 | Testbaudson: | astroidex? opinion? |
| 07:27:07 | orkam_wrk: | To make it short: Basically this works for me, but it's far from stable or really 'userfriendly' |
| 07:27:23 | astroidex: | the disadvantage is that the handling is very much based on the mapfiele |
| 07:27:45 | astroidex: | so you have to know the parameters of the Mapfile to work with Mapstorer |
| 07:27:51 | orkam_wrk: | Are you talking about the 'layer independance' subject? |
| 07:28:20 | astroidex: | I would leave the two projects as separate |
| 07:28:31 | Testbaudson: | ok |
| 07:28:36 | astroidex: | okay we can write an element to open mapstorer |
| 07:28:41 | astroidex: | in Mapbender |
| 07:28:51 | Testbaudson: | orkam_wrk, maybe post to the user list... |
| 07:28:53 | astroidex: | or we can add a modul to mapstorer to load a mapbender |
| 07:29:06 | Testbaudson: | and we'll see what they want... |
| 07:29:10 | orkam_wrk: | That sounds good |
| 07:29:18 | astroidex: | okay |
| 07:30:17 | : | * Testbaudson is not a user so his opinion is limited |
| 07:30:27 | orkam_wrk: | I'll wite a mail to the user list this week then, so we can discuss that with more users/devs |
| 07:30:33 | Testbaudson: | great! |
| 07:31:01 | Testbaudson: | I guess there are some MapStorer users there as well |
| 07:31:12 | astroidex: | okay - this is a good idea |
| 07:31:26 | Testbaudson: | move on to next topic? |
| 07:31:29 | orkam_wrk: | +1 |
| 07:31:31 | astroidex: | okay |
| 07:31:36 | Testbaudson: | 3 ) mapbender 2.5 stable? |
| 07:31:49 | Testbaudson: | it isn't..or is it? |
| 07:32:00 | astroidex: | no it isn't |
| 07:32:02 | Testbaudson: | we still need MySQL support |
| 07:32:22 | astroidex: | it is quite good, but some major functionalities do not work |
| 07:32:33 | Testbaudson: | :-o |
| 07:33:03 | astroidex: | Testbaudson - are you okay? : ) |
| 07:33:26 | Testbaudson: | yes...just seen this |
| 07:33:27 | Testbaudson: | http://trac.osgeo.org/mapbender/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=2.5+release |
| 07:33:28 | sigq: | Title: Custom Query - Mapbender - Trac ( at trac.osgeo.org ) |
| 07:33:30 | : | * sevenof9 was tied up in a phone call and is now on the run. Sorry folks. |
| 07:35:13 | astroidex: | there are some tickets open |
| 07:35:22 | Testbaudson: | ok, so we need to finish these asap |
| 07:35:30 | Testbaudson: | when do you need the stable version, astroidex? |
| 07:35:45 | astroidex: | yes. maybe not all but wfs, encoding problems, mysql |
| 07:36:14 | astroidex: | it would be great to manage it till end of may, as linuxtag, osgeo4w some courses are waiting |
| 07:36:40 | astroidex: | ok - I need it at the 30. 5. for Linuxtag. would be nice : ) |
| 07:37:12 | Testbaudson: | so...we need some time next week |
| 07:37:24 | astroidex: | this would be great. |
| 07:37:33 | Testbaudson: | I hope we have some news from our MySQL specialist then |
| 07:37:43 | astroidex: | hope so too |
| 07:38:05 | Testbaudson: | questions, comments? |
| 07:38:33 | Testbaudson: | 4 ) mapbender in debian distribution |
| 07:38:34 | astroidex: | so Testbaudson - will you ask Uli for some time? |
| 07:38:42 | Testbaudson: | I will beg... |
| 07:38:47 | astroidex: | soory - I am too late. |
| 07:38:52 | Testbaudson: | 4 ) mapbender in debian distribution |
| 07:38:53 | astroidex: | okay ; ) |
| 07:38:58 | Testbaudson: | this is sevenof9's topic |
| 07:39:04 | Testbaudson: | too bad he left |
| 07:39:17 | astroidex: | I added it to the agenda |
| 07:39:25 | Testbaudson: | oops |
| 07:39:35 | astroidex: | we could add mapbender to the debian distribution |
| 07:39:52 | : | * samsonight has to leave you now, too |
| 07:40:02 | astroidex: | I sounds similar like we added it to ms4w or osgeo |
| 07:40:04 | Testbaudson: | bye samsonight, thanks for attending |
| 07:40:09 | samsonight: | bye |
| 07:40:14 | astroidex: | bye samsonight |
| 07:40:27 | Testbaudson: | don't we have to build a deb package? |
| 07:40:38 | astroidex: | yes |
| 07:40:50 | astroidex: | anyone knows how? |
| 07:41:04 | Testbaudson: | no... |
| 07:41:11 | astroidex: | but it would be grat if we could offer mapbender like this |
| 07:41:14 | Testbaudson: | we could ask the Sahana project...they did it |
| 07:41:27 | astroidex: | yes - good idea. |
| 07:41:30 | Testbaudson: | they have a .deb package for download... |
| 07:41:39 | Testbaudson: | and they use php + sql as well |
| 07:42:00 | astroidex: | cool. will you ask? |
| 07:42:08 | Testbaudson: | no, for me this is low priority |
| 07:42:46 | astroidex: | ok - so we just keep it in mind and solve it later.... |
| 07:43:06 | astroidex: | or find someone else to do it. this is fine for me |
| 07:43:20 | Testbaudson: | create a ticket, send a mail to the user list as well |
| 07:43:27 | Testbaudson: | and hope for the best :- ) |
| 07:43:36 | astroidex: | okay - I can do this |
| 07:43:43 | Testbaudson: | brilliant! thanks |
| 07:44:01 | Testbaudson: | read to move on to 5? |
| 07:44:10 | astroidex: | okay |
| 07:44:14 | Testbaudson: | 5 ) application elements, elements |
| 07:44:35 | Testbaudson: | I have been discussing this for quite some time |
| 07:44:37 | Testbaudson: | http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapbender_dev/2008-May/001179.html |
| 07:44:38 | sigq: | Title: [Mapbender-dev] GUI elements ( at lists.osgeo.org ) |
| 07:44:43 | Testbaudson: | ( with myself ) |
| 07:45:05 | Testbaudson: | the idea is to have elements instead of GUI elements |
| 07:45:15 | astroidex: | virtualy I was with you |
| 07:45:25 | Testbaudson: | so we have read-only elements |
| 07:45:40 | Testbaudson: | it would be nice for quality control |
| 07:45:42 | Testbaudson: | and for updates |
| 07:46:02 | Testbaudson: | LenKne, did you follow that discussion |
| 07:46:06 | astroidex: | I think it is a good idea |
| 07:46:07 | Testbaudson: | ? |
| 07:46:22 | LenKne: | Yes |
| 07:46:24 | astroidex: | did you figure out which columns are read-only |
| 07:46:41 | Testbaudson: | yes |
| 07:47:01 | astroidex: | okay - sorry. I saw it in the mail |
| 07:47:21 | Testbaudson: | Mapbender is easily mis-configured |
| 07:47:40 | Testbaudson: | so disabling fields is a good thing imho |
| 07:48:02 | astroidex: | yes - true |
| 07:48:15 | astroidex: | we spent soi much time with it |
| 07:48:21 | Testbaudson: | we should remember that the Mapbender release just provides TEMPLATES |
| 07:48:25 | astroidex: | e_src with images |
| 07:48:31 | astroidex: | what is the solution for this? |
| 07:48:33 | Testbaudson: | ( and administration interfaces ) |
| 07:49:05 | Testbaudson: | no solution yet about e_src |
| 07:49:13 | astroidex: | okay |
| 07:49:32 | Testbaudson: | I would remove all iframes...then it could be placed in the application_element column |
| 07:49:41 | astroidex: | but the rest sounds very good for me |
| 07:49:42 | Testbaudson: | iframes = the devil |
| 07:49:55 | astroidex: | is it much work? |
| 07:50:00 | Testbaudson: | unfortunately yes |
| 07:50:06 | astroidex: | wääääh |
| 07:50:38 | Testbaudson: | Currently, Mapbender is bloated with modules |
| 07:50:57 | Testbaudson: | my idea was to optimize the core... |
| 07:51:04 | Testbaudson: | and then incubate the modules one by one |
| 07:51:07 | astroidex: | good idea |
| 07:51:23 | Testbaudson: | but who's gonna pay for my fancy ideas... |
| 07:51:38 | astroidex: | but maybe we are bnot enough people today to decide this |
| 07:51:51 | Testbaudson: | there is a motion running at the dev list |
| 07:52:02 | Testbaudson: | with quite a lot of votes... |
| 07:52:04 | Testbaudson: | 0 |
| 07:52:36 | astroidex: | okay - I will second you motion and hope discussoion is going to burn then |
| 07:52:44 | Testbaudson: | thanks |
| 07:52:45 | Testbaudson: | I think it would be nice for LenKne if we had that optimized core |
| 07:52:53 | Testbaudson: | so he could incubate modules |
| 07:53:06 | Testbaudson: | it would be a perfect job to do |
| 07:53:22 | astroidex: | okay - but do you think he could to the work on this |
| 07:53:36 | Testbaudson: | as you would not have to deal with old code |
| 07:53:51 | LenKne: | Sounds good to me, I'm ready to give it a try |
| 07:53:53 | Testbaudson: | certain elements have to work... |
| 07:54:07 | Testbaudson: | like administration interfaces concerning GUI elements |
| 07:54:22 | Testbaudson: | I think this is crucial stuff and should be done right |
| 07:54:35 | Testbaudson: | but yes, if Len was willing to work on it... |
| 07:54:58 | astroidex: | this would be great |
| 07:55:01 | Testbaudson: | LenKne, did you ever encounter problems with misconfigured GUIs? |
| 07:55:10 | Testbaudson: | or is it just my imagination? |
| 07:55:37 | LenKne: | I don't remember any |
| 07:55:44 | Testbaudson: | ok |
| 07:55:58 | Testbaudson: | maybe it only occurs if you do customization |
| 07:56:09 | LenKne: | yes |
| 07:56:19 | Testbaudson: | what I would also like to do is this: |
| 07:56:37 | Testbaudson: | forbid to change the templates gui, gui1 etc |
| 07:56:54 | Testbaudson: | this is also crucial for spsneo's update routine I think |
| 07:57:05 | Testbaudson: | you should always work with a copy |
| 07:57:16 | Testbaudson: | and not with the template itself |
| 07:57:37 | astroidex: | good |
| 07:57:50 | Testbaudson: | ah, already 1800 |
| 07:58:01 | orkam_wrk: | for me as a user this sounds good, too |
| 07:58:25 | Testbaudson: | thanks orkam_wrk |
| 07:58:54 | Testbaudson: | maybe you can comment ( or vote ) on that motion as well if you like it |
| 07:59:08 | Testbaudson: | we need everyone's input to move forward |
| 07:59:24 | orkam_wrk: | I am trying to spend more time on mapbender , yes : ) |
| 07:59:27 | astroidex: | I just noticed: you have to make sure that every elemnet in table elmenet has an entry in table application_element |
| 07:59:47 | astroidex: | else this element would not work |
| 08:02:13 | Testbaudson: | yes, app_element is just like gui_wms |
| 08:02:25 | Testbaudson: | configuration of an entity |
| 08:02:55 | astroidex: | okay |
| 08:04:55 | astroidex: | shall we gon on in the dev-mailing list |
| 08:05:20 | Testbaudson: | sorry, was on the phone |
| 08:05:37 | Testbaudson: | yes, let's continue discussion at the developer list |
| 08:05:47 | astroidex: | okay |
| 08:05:51 | Testbaudson: | maybe you can just state your opinion...you don't need to vote yet |
| 08:06:07 | Testbaudson: | ( but you can of course ) |
| 08:06:24 | astroidex: | okay |
| 08:06:34 | Testbaudson: | ok, any more comments, questions, criticism, praise? |
| 08:07:25 | : | * Testbaudson motions to close the meeting |
| 08:07:35 | astroidex: | second |
| 08:07:37 | astroidex: | +1 |
| 08:07:39 | Testbaudson: | +1 |
| 08:07:42 | orkam_wrk: | +1 |
| 08:07:57 | orkam_wrk: | ( for closing ) : ) |
| 08:08:23 | LenKne: | +1 ( if I can ) |
| 08:08:32 | Testbaudson: | of course |
| 08:08:43 | Testbaudson: | everyone here's allowed to vote |
| 08:08:53 | Testbaudson: | thanks for your attendance!! |
| 08:08:59 | Testbaudson: | see you and bye |
| 08:09:10 | orkam_wrk: | Have a good time, bye |
| 08:09:10 | astroidex: | bye |