| 06:59:40 | Testbaudson: | tap tap tap...is this thing on? |
| 06:59:49 | Testbaudson: | welcome to this weeks' IRC meeting |
| 06:59:57 | Testbaudson: | let's start with the roll call |
| 07:00:01 | Testbaudson: | who's here? |
| 07:00:03 | Testbaudson: | Christophj |
| 07:00:04 | mandsch: | Michael |
| 07:00:36 | astroidex: | hello |
| 07:00:45 | astroidex: | astroidex is here |
| 07:00:47 | Testbaudson: | how about darndt, nimix, ur? |
| 07:01:06 | nimix: | nimix is here too |
| 07:01:46 | Testbaudson: | ok, let's start... |
| 07:02:04 | Testbaudson: | the agenda is here: http://www.mapbender.org/IRC_Meeting#Meeting_Agenda |
| 07:02:05 | sigq: | Title: IRC Meeting - MapbenderWiki ( at www.mapbender.org ) |
| 07:02:31 | Testbaudson: | ( 1 ) Treefolder redesign |
| 07:02:40 | Testbaudson: | there is a link to http://trac.osgeo.org/mapbender/ticket/354 |
| 07:02:42 | sigq: | Title: #354 ( freely configurable tree structure to use with treefolder2 ) - Mapbender - Trac ( at trac.osgeo.org ) |
| 07:02:48 | Testbaudson: | mandsch and I were talking about this |
| 07:03:00 | Testbaudson: | but I have forgotten everything about it :- ) |
| 07:03:03 | mandsch: | :- ) |
| 07:03:26 | Testbaudson: | mandsch, do you know the status? |
| 07:03:39 | mandsch: | yes, more or less |
| 07:03:51 | mandsch: | status is: currently in 2.6 |
| 07:04:05 | mandsch: | we are able to create a new customized tree structure |
| 07:04:21 | mandsch: | with a fancy dra'n'drop admin interface |
| 07:04:35 | mandsch: | that let's you create tree node |
| 07:04:41 | mandsch: | hierarichally |
| 07:04:54 | mandsch: | and then you cann add wms-services at each node |
| 07:05:17 | mandsch: | in the gui, you'll have all the benefits of treegde2 |
| 07:05:39 | mandsch: | plus the defined tree structure |
| 07:05:49 | astroidex: | and what about wmc ; ) mr sch. will ask |
| 07:05:53 | mandsch: | that's the status. |
| 07:06:07 | mandsch: | at fossgis there was an issue about wmc, right astroidex |
| 07:06:31 | mandsch: | when saving a wmc, the tree structure cannot be conserved ( at the moment ) |
| 07:06:56 | mandsch: | the same, when loading a wmc in a gui, the tree structure cannot be created |
| 07:07:11 | mandsch: | but, merging of wmc document in the tree structure is possible. |
| 07:07:35 | mandsch: | i am not sure if this is a big problem ... |
| 07:08:07 | astroidex: | ok |
| 07:08:20 | mandsch: | Testbaudson: coudl this be handled by wmc? |
| 07:08:35 | mandsch: | ie loading and saving? |
| 07:08:40 | Testbaudson: | we should keep it in mind, but it's not a blocker for me |
| 07:08:52 | mandsch: | ok, i think so too. |
| 07:09:14 | mandsch: | one drawback wrt the old customized trees structure |
| 07:09:28 | mandsch: | is that we can only use services and not layers ... |
| 07:09:50 | mandsch: | but actually i think doinf this on a layer basis is the admin overkill. |
| 07:09:50 | nimix: | was the old structure stored in wmc? |
| 07:10:05 | mandsch: | no, the strcutrue is stored in the same db table |
| 07:10:19 | mandsch: | I think you might even use both modules .. |
| 07:10:30 | mandsch: | at the same time - but not for the same gui |
| 07:11:01 | Testbaudson: | did the old module allow layer-based nesting? |
| 07:11:24 | : | * Testbaudson isn't sure |
| 07:11:35 | mandsch: | hmm... it didnt allow "add all layers from this wms" i think |
| 07:11:59 | mandsch: | you basically had to add a ll the layers you wanted |
| 07:12:13 | Testbaudson: | ok |
| 07:12:14 | mandsch: | but you had the freedom, e.g. to give them new titles |
| 07:12:42 | mandsch: | when first talking to arnulf about this tree |
| 07:13:00 | mandsch: | we also thought about adding a default structure "my services" or the like |
| 07:13:13 | mandsch: | for all wms that are added at run-time |
| 07:13:18 | mandsch: | via addWMS |
| 07:13:33 | ur: | but someone want to move them up and down |
| 07:13:41 | ur: | that could be a problem? |
| 07:13:47 | mandsch: | true |
| 07:14:11 | mandsch: | i think, this can be solved via wms prreferences |
| 07:14:28 | mandsch: | if you create a tree structure, for better accessability |
| 07:14:39 | mandsch: | you don't want the structure to be altered, i think |
| 07:14:43 | nimix: | as far as I can remember you can move the wms services but you don't see the actual order |
| 07:14:55 | mandsch: | but you can change the order of the wms to change the stacking in the map |
| 07:15:05 | mandsch: | nimix: exactly |
| 07:15:32 | mandsch: | so wms preferences will show the correct stacking order |
| 07:15:50 | ur: | how do you identify the service which you want to move? |
| 07:15:50 | mandsch: | and can be changed from there |
| 07:16:06 | mandsch: | ok, you got me ;- ) |
| 07:16:20 | mandsch: | you'll have to know the name oe title ... |
| 07:16:34 | ur: | ok |
| 07:17:18 | mandsch: | i think this treefolder is still open for improvement ideas |
| 07:17:40 | ur: | yes |
| 07:17:47 | mandsch: | i thought that we could also use keywords for automatic sorting of wms to the structure... ? |
| 07:18:15 | : | * ur hm... |
| 07:18:37 | mandsch: | i know we can have several keywords and so on... j |
| 07:18:37 | ur: | maybe |
| 07:19:04 | mandsch: | but we have identified a certain subset in the metadata tables, haven't we? |
| 07:19:12 | mandsch: | categories ... |
| 07:20:19 | ur: | right |
| 07:21:08 | ur: | you want to take the categories to build the structure? |
| 07:21:25 | mandsch: | it could be a way to do it ... |
| 07:21:48 | mandsch: | but this is just a stupid idea ... |
| 07:22:03 | mandsch: | i have no real plan to do that... |
| 07:22:03 | ur: | the categories are service-specific |
| 07:22:13 | ur: | not gui-specific ... |
| 07:24:32 | : | * ur has no real plan too |
| 07:24:57 | Testbaudson: | so what should be the core features of the new treefolder? |
| 07:24:58 | mandsch: | true. but were there reuqests for additional features in the fossgis poll, eg? |
| 07:25:37 | mandsch: | well, i think, the features at the moment are ok, let aside the wmc stuff ... this may need some thinking... |
| 07:27:10 | ur: | +1 |
| 07:27:18 | Testbaudson: | next steps? |
| 07:27:52 | mandsch: | waiting for bug reports from 2.6 rc1? |
| 07:28:37 | mandsch: | I am already using this, Freiburg wants to use that, I#m sure we'll get some feedback. |
| 07:28:44 | Testbaudson: | ok |
| 07:28:48 | astroidex: | cool |
| 07:28:55 | Testbaudson: | shall we move on to topic 2 |
| 07:28:56 | Testbaudson: | ? |
| 07:29:00 | astroidex: | +1 |
| 07:29:04 | ur: | ok |
| 07:29:08 | mandsch: | ok |
| 07:29:15 | Testbaudson: | ( 2 ) Sponsoring by FOSSGIS e.V. |
| 07:29:17 | Testbaudson: | astroidex? |
| 07:29:25 | astroidex: | ok |
| 07:29:37 | astroidex: | I have been at the FOSSGIS vereins-meeting |
| 07:29:41 | ur: | they want to give us € 10.000 true? |
| 07:29:59 | astroidex: | they have money and plan to sponsor |
| 07:30:15 | astroidex: | osgeo projects mit 10000€ per year |
| 07:30:25 | astroidex: | not each but all together |
| 07:30:37 | astroidex: | so we could apply for some sponsoring |
| 07:30:56 | astroidex: | for dev meetings, train tickets, poster and so on |
| 07:31:19 | astroidex: | I would apply for some money for the bolsena meeting |
| 07:31:47 | astroidex: | it is an information that we should keep in mind |
| 07:31:54 | mandsch: | would each person have to apply? |
| 07:32:23 | astroidex: | no - I would apply for the project. Like ask for some hundred € and then we can spend it like we want |
| 07:32:59 | mandsch: | ok. |
| 07:33:02 | mandsch: | cool. |
| 07:33:03 | astroidex: | or we can give the receipts for the posters |
| 07:33:30 | astroidex: | this is quite a new decission and I am new i the verein |
| 07:33:40 | astroidex: | but maybe we can ask marco about it |
| 07:33:59 | astroidex: | this will make meetings easier to organize and |
| 07:34:14 | astroidex: | maybe we can meet next time in the linuxhotel |
| 07:34:25 | astroidex: | this it is. any questions |
| 07:34:48 | Testbaudson: | thanks for this |
| 07:34:51 | Testbaudson: | sounds promising |
| 07:34:52 | ur: | the linux hotel is a great idea |
| 07:35:12 | astroidex: | and it is nice athmosphere an dnot expensive |
| 07:35:30 | astroidex: | so next +1 |
| 07:35:50 | Testbaudson: | ( 3 ) Bolsena_2009 |
| 07:36:10 | astroidex: | maybe not much to say. |
| 07:36:14 | astroidex: | we will go there |
| 07:36:27 | astroidex: | David too |
| 07:36:32 | astroidex: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Hacking_Event_200 |
| 07:36:33 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Hacking Event 200 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 07:37:06 | astroidex: | mandsch - what about you |
| 07:37:18 | mandsch: | I'd like to ... |
| 07:37:29 | mandsch: | not sure... |
| 07:37:48 | astroidex: | maybe we discuss in smaler group an more actual what we will do there. But it |
| 07:37:49 | mandsch: | the whole week? |
| 07:38:14 | astroidex: | will be usefull to contact some of the other developers in advance |
| 07:38:26 | astroidex: | mandsch yes - whole week. |
| 07:38:37 | astroidex: | but you could come for some days too |
| 07:38:45 | astroidex: | it will be soooo good |
| 07:39:06 | ur: | astroidex: it's possible to get a room for a few days? |
| 07:39:08 | ur: | sure? |
| 07:39:27 | Testbaudson: | I guess it can be arranged if rooms are free |
| 07:39:28 | mandsch: | otherwise i'll take the tent... :- )( |
| 07:39:37 | Testbaudson: | however, you can book a normal hotel room |
| 07:39:42 | astroidex: | I am not sure |
| 07:39:43 | Testbaudson: | :- ) or use the tent |
| 07:40:35 | Testbaudson: | mandsch: interested? |
| 07:40:55 | mandsch: | sure, but I don't know yet. |
| 07:41:06 | Testbaudson: | please keep us updated |
| 07:41:13 | Testbaudson: | it would be great if you koined us |
| 07:41:15 | mandsch: | absolutely. |
| 07:41:17 | Testbaudson: | joined |
| 07:41:19 | astroidex: | would be fun |
| 07:42:04 | Testbaudson: | next? |
| 07:42:06 | Testbaudson: | ( 4 ) Blogging on osgeo |
| 07:42:09 | astroidex: | ok |
| 07:42:14 | astroidex: | just a notice |
| 07:42:33 | astroidex: | I noticed that you have a blog when you are osgeo member |
| 07:42:56 | astroidex: | so when you login http://www.osgeo.org/ |
| 07:42:59 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo.org | Your Open Source Compass ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 07:43:11 | mandsch: | You mean Astrids' Blog q osgeo? |
| 07:43:11 | astroidex: | you have a blog and you could post Mapbender news |
| 07:43:29 | astroidex: | I just mention this as we had this blog discussion some weeks ago |
| 07:43:38 | astroidex: | yes |
| 07:44:04 | Testbaudson: | so we could add a user "mapbender" for official announcements? |
| 07:44:13 | astroidex: | ah - good idea |
| 07:44:27 | astroidex: | this would be an easy way to get a mapbender blog |
| 07:44:43 | astroidex: | or we post as persons |
| 07:45:14 | Testbaudson: | I think it would be cool to have an "official blog" |
| 07:45:23 | Testbaudson: | for announces |
| 07:45:29 | astroidex: | yes you are right |
| 07:45:42 | Testbaudson: | individual blogging is cool for demos or new features |
| 07:45:45 | astroidex: | else we all would have to apply to be added to osgeo planet |
| 07:46:52 | astroidex: | testbaudson - could you create a mapbender user on osgeo then? |
| 07:47:33 | Testbaudson: | yes...I'll add my mail address if there are no objections |
| 07:48:05 | astroidex: | no problem. and maybe you send the terms offlist so we can login too. |
| 07:49:08 | Testbaudson: | any other topics? |
| 07:49:16 | astroidex: | GSOC? |
| 07:50:34 | astroidex: | Testbaudson do you have news from Verenas room maid |
| 07:50:40 | Testbaudson: | lil |
| 07:50:42 | Testbaudson: | lol |
| 07:51:02 | mandsch: | I can only report, that a potential candidate i mentioned is not available for GSOC ( topic would have been wms time component ). |
| 07:51:10 | Testbaudson: | she will do some clean-up in the code |
| 07:51:51 | Testbaudson: | astroidex: he will write a proposal this week |
| 07:51:59 | astroidex: | cool |
| 07:52:01 | Testbaudson: | his name is Karim |
| 07:52:12 | astroidex: | ah - good I forgot it |
| 07:52:16 | Testbaudson: | and he's Verena's room mate |
| 07:52:35 | astroidex: | ok - sorry for my english |
| 07:54:11 | astroidex: | so this is for today? |
| 07:54:22 | Testbaudson: | I've created the user "mapbender" |
| 07:54:25 | Testbaudson: | password is |
| 07:54:32 | Testbaudson: | -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- |
| 07:55:10 | Testbaudson: | I'll add that data to the WhereGroup wiki |
| 07:55:30 | astroidex: | good . and we should add the user to sogeo planet |
| 07:55:34 | Testbaudson: | I'll have that blog registered with Planet OSGeo |
| 07:56:03 | : | * Testbaudson motions to close the meeting |
| 07:56:23 | astroidex: | +1 |
| 07:56:29 | mandsch: | +1 |
| 07:56:34 | ur: | +1 |
| 07:57:01 | Testbaudson: | thanks and bye! |
| 07:57:27 | ur: | bye all |
| 07:57:51 | mandsch: | bye |
| 07:58:51 | nimix: | sbe |
| 07:58:57 | nimix: | bye |
| 08:03:05 | mandsch: | ur: still there? |