| 05:42:46 | bitner: | TylerM: Has Steve asked you about possibly getting some OSGeo brochures for a GIS Symposium in the Twin Cities on June 1? |
| 05:47:28 | TylerM: | hi bitner - yes indeed. Now I just need some information to go in the brochures : ) |
| 05:48:01 | TylerM: | It's quite possible we could have something by then. |
| 05:50:47 | jgarnett: | um we got some geotools info |
| 05:50:51 | jgarnett: | you want that for notes? |
| 05:51:17 | TylerM: | hi jody, chris forwarded me some already. |
| 08:58:08 | macalaga: | Where 2.0 folks -- I've got an emergency to tend to - will try to keep my eyes on IRC in case anything comes up |
| 08:58:33 | macalaga: | I will be attending - and can help out with booth duty etc.. |
| 08:59:47 | spatialguru: | macalaga: ok. looks like I'm the only viscom guy here so far, but will relay to our phone disc. when we start |
| 09:03:07 | PeterMoran: | VisCom meeting on the phone - numbers are at http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Fourth_VisCom_Meeting |
| 09:03:10 | sigq`: | Title: Fourth VisCom Meeting - OSGEO ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 09:03:13 | spatialguru: | hi peter- just dialing now |
| 09:03:43 | PeterMoran: | Great, dial in as moderator if you can |
| 09:04:02 | PeterMoran: | It comes up as an option |
| 09:04:38 | spatialguru: | don't know PIN for moderator |
| 09:05:07 | PeterMoran: | I'll email Daniel to get it |
| 09:05:13 | spatialguru: | ok |
| 09:05:22 | mpg: | Hi, gang. |
| 09:05:32 | spatialguru: | hi mpg |
| 09:05:48 | mpg: | spatialguru == Tyler? |
| 09:05:53 | spatialguru: | err. yeah |
| 09:06:27 | TylerM: | mpg: you know conf. call moderator code? |
| 09:06:41 | TylerM: | we're all in limbo waiting for the all-important moderator ; ) |
| 09:06:42 | PeterMoran: | I just emailed Daniel to get it - it's his number |
| 09:06:47 | TylerM: | ok |
| 09:06:47 | mpg: | Nope, sorry. I like the music, though. |
| 09:07:06 | TylerM: | reminds me of some great music I listen on http://ultimathule.info |
| 09:07:07 | sigq`: | Title: Ultima Thule - Musica Atmospherica - Ambient Music Radio - 2MBS-FM - 5MBS-FM ( at ultimathule.info ) |
| 09:07:36 | TylerM: | Like soundtrack to the movie Solaris : ) |
| 09:07:49 | mpg: | Getting sleepy... so sleepy.... |
| 09:08:50 | : | * mpg is busy configuring the dumb conference room PC to have all the cool tools he needs... |
| 09:09:24 | PeterMoran: | I got the code |
| 09:09:29 | TylerM: | great |
| 09:09:44 | TylerM: | You'll hear mpg snoring when you start |
| 11:00:17 | mpg: | Schuyler: what is your email address? |
| 11:04:08 | Schuyler: | schuyler@nocat.net |
| 11:04:15 | Schuyler: | or possibly sderle@metacarta.com |
| 11:04:19 | Schuyler: | best to email both for now |
| 11:04:27 | Schuyler: | I have a fiendishly large backlog on the former |
| 11:04:47 | mpg: | thanks |
| 12:18:10 | TylerM: | mpg: no prob re: bof, i was thinking the same thing. the fair does run for more than an hour though if i recall. |
| 12:18:51 | mpg: | Nat has replied, CC'ing an O'Reilly staffer who will find us a better slot |
| 12:30:26 | mpg: | TylerM: they suggest 9:30-10:30, after the fair -- that okay? |
| 12:39:05 | TylerM: | pm? |
| 12:39:22 | TylerM: | ugh. do other people stay up that late? ; ) |
| 12:39:46 | TylerM: | It'd be fine to overlap a bit with the fair - we're going to use more than an hour for sure. |
| 12:40:05 | mpg: | Yes, PM. We can provide ambient music for the sleepy, via Daniel's telecon service. |
| 12:40:40 | mpg: | Should we ask for 9pm? |
| 12:40:48 | TylerM: | I'd say 9:30... |
| 12:40:55 | TylerM: | people won't need an hour at where fair! |
| 12:41:04 | TylerM: | err sorry i meant 8:30 |
| 12:41:12 | TylerM: | fair is 7:30-9:30 |
| 12:41:22 | TylerM: | let's do bof 8:30-10 |
| 12:41:30 | TylerM: | make sense |
| 12:41:45 | TylerM: | then if attendance is low, we can blame the fair |
| 12:41:47 | TylerM: | : ) |
| 12:42:07 | TylerM: | but, if its anything like last year, the fair is 30-40 minutes max, IMO |
| 12:42:18 | mpg: | But the people presenting at the Faire are also in the BOF.... |
| 12:42:24 | mpg: | I think |
| 12:42:57 | TylerM: | oh yeah :P |
| 12:43:24 | TylerM: | just a sec |
| 12:45:34 | TylerM: | ok, need to know who is at fair. so far all i know is allan. |
| 12:45:37 | : | <`miguel> i did a bof atg o'reilly etel at 9pm and about 8 people showed up |
| 12:45:51 | : | <`miguel> a very bad time |
| 12:46:05 | TylerM: | `miguel: I bet - after 6 is going to be pretty dead I bet |
| 12:46:20 | TylerM: | depends how boring things are |
| 12:46:26 | TylerM: | at the main event : ) |
| 12:46:30 | adoyle: | At where last year, the fair was well attended, there were plenty of ppl there |
| 12:46:41 | mpg: | DaveM is both BOF and Faire |
| 12:46:44 | adoyle: | If it's only me, don't worry about the overlap |
| 12:46:50 | : | <`miguel> people will be in the bar - a better place for a meeting |
| 12:46:57 | adoyle: | the fair schedule is pretty light so far |
| 12:47:09 | TylerM: | adoyle: yeah, saw that : ) |
| 12:47:29 | adoyle: | I hope it's not just me |
| 12:48:08 | TylerM: | mpg: I don't expect all osgeo folks to be at the bof, nor do i have commitment from anyone yet to help talk at it.. |
| 12:48:22 | TylerM: | you were harassing alan for the roundtable right? |
| 12:48:31 | mpg: | Yes, he has been harassed. |
| 12:48:39 | mpg: | He's hedging, I think := ) |
| 12:48:43 | adoyle: | yes |
| 12:48:56 | TylerM: | heh |
| 12:48:57 | adoyle: | I can do it, but Rich Gibson is much better! |
| 12:49:11 | TylerM: | that's the spirit - now there are two people to talk to : ) |
| 12:49:19 | mpg: | Do I hear a second? |
| 12:49:30 | TylerM: | yeah, for both of them - heh |
| 12:49:31 | mpg: | rich_gibson: ping! |
| 12:49:44 | TylerM: | I leave you to that part of the planning.. |
| 12:49:57 | TylerM: | adoyle: but really, the fair isn't going to be worth 2 hours is it? |
| 12:50:02 | adoyle: | I think rich_gibson pipes irc to /dev/null |
| 12:50:20 | adoyle: | No, not as a "visitor". |
| 12:50:31 | adoyle: | There were maybe 10-15 things last year |
| 12:50:33 | mpg: | But he is logged in, so...? |
| 12:50:39 | : | <`miguel> rich_gibson went to pick up his kids at school.. should be back on irc momentarily |
| 12:50:43 | mpg: | I did maybe 30 mins at the Fair last year |
| 12:50:47 | adoyle: | http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/39/events.html |
| 12:50:48 | sigq`: | Title: O'Reilly Where 2.0 Conference - June 29-30, 2005 - San Francisco, CA ( at conferences.oreillynet.com ) |
| 12:50:53 | mpg: | ( visiting, not showing ) |
| 12:51:09 | adoyle: | Showing, you're kind of committed to staying |
| 12:51:21 | mpg: | Right, that is my fear. |
| 12:51:43 | adoyle: | Maybe osgeo should have a booth at the fair. The bof can be at the booth : ) |
| 12:51:47 | TylerM: | maybe we can find a better time |
| 12:52:05 | mpg: | BOF + Fair + bar |
| 12:52:13 | adoyle: | Or, hang up a sign and point people to a bar bof |
| 12:53:00 | TylerM: | that's too close to "BARF" which isn't in my plans :P |
| 12:53:00 | mpg: | I think I am going to delegate this one to Tyler, now that I started this discussion perhaps too quickly :- ) |
| 12:53:26 | TylerM: | why are they shoving all BOF's back to back? must be only one room?? |
| 12:53:51 | TylerM: | hmm, nope |
| 12:54:03 | TylerM: | each is in a different room |
| 12:54:22 | TylerM: | just that overlap with fair. ugh |
| 12:54:37 | mpg: | We could BOF in the morning over breakfast... |
| 12:56:42 | TylerM: | I think we should do 6:30-7:30. Only overlap is the 'reception' - but then followed by fair - what do people think? |
| 12:57:01 | TylerM: | people who need to leave for fair won't miss the beginning |
| 12:57:22 | mpg: | When is dinner? |
| 12:57:23 | : | <`miguel> that's the best choice among poor choices |
| 12:57:24 | TylerM: | reception starts at 6:00 - by 6:30 everyone will realise everyone else is at bof ; ) |
| 12:57:38 | TylerM: | do they eat dinner in california? |
| 12:57:52 | TylerM: | not in schedule! |
| 12:57:58 | mpg: | I vote s sunrise BOF with bloody mary's |
| 12:58:01 | : | <`miguel> quiche and white wine ;- ) |
| 12:58:18 | TylerM: | hmrf |
| 12:58:25 | : | * `miguel joking |
| 12:58:38 | : | * mpg doesn't know the plural of "bloody mary" |
| 12:59:03 | TylerM: | yeah, really, dinner is the only wildcard. |
| 12:59:07 | mpg: | Is ESRI speaking? We could hold the BOF then... :-> |
| 12:59:51 | TylerM: | only 15 min |
| 13:00:15 | TylerM: | Who knows about this Mo'Blast thing: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/where2006/view/e_sess/9264 |
| 13:00:16 | sigq`: | Title: Where 2.0 Conference 2006 - June 13-14, 2006 - San Jose, CA ( at conferences.oreillynet.com ) |
| 13:00:27 | TylerM: | bof 8:30-9:30 |
| 13:00:32 | TylerM: | anyway... |
| 13:01:12 | TylerM: | 6:30-7:30 would be best, I think. |
| 13:01:21 | TylerM: | You talking with someone already mpg ? |
| 13:01:24 | rich_gibson: | my name was used...but I am too slow to figure out the context... |
| 13:01:52 | mpg: | rich_gibson: I will send you some mail in a minute, then we can chat |
| 13:02:17 | mpg: | TylerM: I fwd'd you the mail on scheduling, but I can try and resched myself if you'd like |
| 13:02:19 | TylerM: | rich_gibson: do they eat dinner in california? |
| 13:02:35 | TylerM: | mpg: yeah, please, don't need more cooks in the kitchen |
| 13:02:42 | TylerM: | that pass it over to me |
| 13:02:59 | mpg: | TylerM: ok -- 6:30 to 7:30 is 1st choice. Second choice? |
| 13:03:14 | TylerM: | 8:30-9:30 |
| 13:03:14 | mpg: | rich_gibson: what is your email addr? |
| 13:03:21 | mpg: | TylerM: okay, will do |
| 13:03:29 | TylerM: | thought is was null@/dev.com ? : ) |
| 13:03:43 | TylerM: | ; ) |
| 13:04:10 | rich_gibson: | rich@testingrange.com |
| 13:04:46 | adoyle: | Speaking of testingrange.com, the blog is down... |
| 13:09:04 | rich_gibson: | yeah...my php install is borked because I am, well, 'lame' seems harsh but not wrong... |
| 13:09:31 | TylerM: | that's how I describe php some times ; ) |
| 13:09:37 | adoyle: | Then you're perfect for what we want you to do! |
| 13:09:46 | TylerM: | atta boy : ) |
| 13:10:00 | : | * TylerM fades back into Real Work ( tm ) |
| 13:10:27 | : | * adoyle assumes mpg will clue rich_gibson in |
| 13:10:41 | rich_gibson: | I worry about projects where lameness is the only qualification... |
| 13:17:17 | rich_gibson: | re. moderating: sure...sounds fun. moderating is so cool! you get to be on stage, but you don't have to write a paper. come to think of it, that is the same as giving talks, except then you feel guilty for not having written... |
| 13:21:20 | mpg: | adoyle: got it, thanks |
| 13:22:05 | adoyle: | So I'm off the hook!? |
| 13:22:30 | mpg: | rich_gibson: yes, it should be fun. Lets sync up on this next week. Are you registered for Where, etc? |
| 13:22:43 | mpg: | adoyle: looks like it... |
| 13:26:34 | mpg: | ( TylerM: BOFfing hours are 7:30-10:30 only, so we're back to 8:30-9:30 and we'll just do the best we can ) |
| 13:27:12 | rich_gibson: | I'm not registered |
| 13:29:11 | mpg: | Were you planning to attend? |
| 13:41:49 | bitner: | Schuyler: I see you got the new OpenLayers out |
| 13:42:18 | adoyle: | details, mpg... |
| 13:42:47 | mpg: | details on..? sorry, not following |
| 13:43:24 | adoyle: | e.g. don't get hung up on the details, so what if rich_gibson's not coming : ) |
| 13:43:37 | adoyle: | we'll sneak him in |
| 13:43:56 | mpg: | Ah, right. But we have all these free passes we have to give away... |
| 13:46:13 | adoyle: | we'll dress him up to look like this http://conferences.oreillynet.com/images/speakers/schuyler_erle.jpg |
| 13:56:35 | ticheler: | TylerM: would you bring GeoNetwork CDs to the conference if I send you some? Or does it not fit in OSGEO yet, having no incubator processes available for future projects? |
| 18:29:19 | RustyDSL: | what happens if u utter the word ESRI in here? |
| 18:31:13 | : | * FrankW hisses. |
| 18:31:28 | FrankW: | Err, I mean, we all love ESRI. |
| 18:31:46 | FrankW: | Some of us love them so much, we wish they would open source some of their products! |
| 18:32:04 | gsherman: | the sound of distant thunder echoes throughout the room |
| 18:32:28 | RustyDSL: | well they do support some open standards, right? |
| 18:32:31 | RustyDSL: | LOL |
| 18:32:50 | FrankW: | RustyDSL: Yes indeed, though we aren't primariliy an open standards organization. |
| 18:33:33 | RustyDSL: | i just thought i'd stir things up in here ;- ) |
| 18:33:39 | FrankW: | We express support for open standards primariliy because we feel it establishes an environment where the end user can mix and match a variety of appropriate components, open source and otherwise. |
| 18:33:47 | FrankW: | Ah, a troll. |
| 18:33:51 | RustyDSL: | i'm stuck using there products in a Linux environment |
| 18:34:17 | FrankW: | Which product( s ) is that? ArcIMS? ArcServer? |
| 18:34:28 | RustyDSL: | but it's really a COM product so it's sort of clunky on Linux |
| 18:34:29 | FrankW: | I'm a bit confused about what products they offer on Linux these days. |
| 18:34:29 | RustyDSL: | ArcEngine |
| 18:34:44 | FrankW: | What does ArcEngine do? |
| 18:34:46 | RustyDSL: | for now...maybe ArcServer in the future??? |
| 18:35:37 | RustyDSL: | it's basically access to their COM objects/ESRI APIs so u can build your own GIS apps/libraries |
| 18:36:16 | FrankW: | I gather only some of their COM interfaces are supported on Linux, is that right? |
| 18:36:22 | FrankW: | Presumably nothing display oriented? |
| 18:36:48 | RustyDSL: | it depends if u use their Java bindings or not |
| 18:36:55 | RustyDSL: | if C++, no |
| 18:37:00 | RustyDSL: | if Java, yes |
| 18:37:57 | FrankW: | Ah |
| 18:37:59 | RustyDSL: | but on the Linux box they use some 3rd party software to lay down a psuedo COM layer |
| 18:38:07 | RustyDSL: | MainSoft |
| 18:38:15 | FrankW: | Right, I imagine that is a bit of a hassle. |
| 18:38:23 | RustyDSL: | so the whole thing is kind of clunky |
| 18:38:55 | FrankW: | Are you working in Java or C++? |
| 18:39:15 | RustyDSL: | well mostly C++ |
| 18:39:46 | FrankW: | And calling the COM services directly? Is that fun? |
| 18:40:09 | RustyDSL: | hopefully someday i can get to work on GIS software at work that's not ESRI |
| 18:40:13 | FrankW: | I kind of had the impression that most use of COM on windows was ... mediated ... by wizards or VB or other stuff that avoided some of the low level mechanics. |
| 18:40:29 | FrankW: | Well, I for one am pleased to see ESRI support an open source platform. |
| 18:40:46 | RustyDSL: | runs on UNIX also |
| 18:41:22 | RustyDSL: | the COM itself is not bad. i'm not a hardcore C++ person and i have no problems using there stuff |
| 18:41:30 | RustyDSL: | their |
| 18:42:05 | FrankW: | Cool ... the COM work I have done in the past has been a bit painful. But then I'm a bit lame about it all. |
| 18:42:52 | RustyDSL: | yea...i prefer Java myself |
| 18:43:54 | FrankW: | I was interested to hear recently that Sun is going to actually open source Java. Hopefully this will defray the "java trap" concern in parts of the open source community. |
| 18:45:38 | RustyDSL: | so did the Vivid JTS suite get picked up/supported by anyone? |
| 18:46:01 | FrankW: | It is still supported by Vivid as far as I know. |
| 18:46:42 | RustyDSL: | oh. ok. haven't checked the site lately but it seems it's been quite a while since a release |
| 18:46:56 | FrankW: | Possibly. |
| 18:47:06 | FrankW: | But I see email from Martin every now and then doing a few improvements. |
| 18:47:16 | FrankW: | In fact, I think he has a paid project on the go to extend it somewhat. |
| 18:47:21 | : | * FrankW does not recall the details. |
| 18:48:19 | zool: | believe it when i see it from Sun... will they use a real free/open license? |
| 18:48:21 | RustyDSL: | i remember using JTS a while back for something and found it very handy |
| 18:49:20 | FrankW: | zool: well, it remains to be seen, but I believe that is the intent. |
| 18:49:29 | FrankW: | It seems to be a "changing of the guard" related change of heart. |
| 19:20:42 | RustyDSL: | i love the big black hats those British guards wear |
| 19:20:52 | RustyDSL: | all nice and fuzzy |
