#OSGEO IRC Log - 2007-09-24

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08:38:18 adoyle: http://www.sys-con.com/read/433505.htm
08:38:19 sigq: Title: Ingres Announces Support of OSGeo @ SYS-CON Media ( at www.sys-con.com )
08:38:56 hobu: adoyle: saw that too. Where the hell did the "MapServer has 100k users" thing come from though
08:39:17 hobu: I like MapServer and all, but I don't think *any* web mapping software has a 100k users : )
08:39:21 adoyle: marketing, where else...
08:39:30 adoyle: define user...
08:39:31 HyperJohnGraham: downloads : )
08:40:30 adoyle: actual instantiations < successful installs < downloads << people who see maps served by mapserver
09:36:01 : * Bull_[UK] is back [ www.bullsworld.co.uk ]
11:17:59 : * Bull_[UK] is back [ www.bullsworld.co.uk ]
15:34:13 sevenof9: AGM about to start.
15:34:17 sevenof9: Tyler Go!
15:34:57 HyperJohnGraham: where is the webcast ???
15:43:34 sevenof9: Good question.
15:43:46 sevenof9: I cannot see anything like it.
15:43:48 sevenof9: HyperJohnGraham: Why are you not here?
15:44:16 sevenof9: First applause for Tyler.
15:44:24 sevenof9: He talks about what his job is etc.
15:45:58 : * sevenof9 wonders whether anybody is taking notes? Is there a web cast?
15:47:29 bitner: I think that Tyler was going to set up a web cast, but it doesn't seem to be working
15:47:36 sevenof9: Hmmm.
15:47:57 sevenof9: My connection is crappy, my notes get stuck somewhere.
15:48:11 sevenof9: I hope that crschmidt is taking notes.
15:48:18 sevenof9: he is so much faster...
15:48:45 bitner: sponsorhip background now
15:55:01 sevenof9: Switch to El Presidente
15:55:08 sevenof9: Screen turns yellow...
15:56:01 sevenof9: The Board of Directors has legal responsibilities - formal stuff, policy, etc. Frank is president, Tyler is Executive Director.
15:56:26 sevenof9: "We are not out there directing people"
15:56:49 sevenof9: Charter Membership is about making sure to stay on our mission.
15:57:13 sevenof9: Anybody can become a member, there is not much of a distinction between members.
15:57:26 sevenof9: Volunteers needs
15:57:35 : * sevenof9 never heard that one before... :- )
15:57:50 sevenof9: 3 to 4 minutes for local chapters
15:58:11 sevenof9: each
15:58:45 sevenof9: local chapter can be local, language, national, probably even thematic.
15:58:54 sevenof9: just get together and do something
15:59:07 sevenof9: If there is need for formal backing, approach the board.
15:59:12 sevenof9: Get a mailing list, etc.
15:59:40 sevenof9: If the group is to be more formal bring a proposal to the BoD to get the official stamp.
16:00:18 sevenof9: Autralia and NZ takes over
16:00:28 sevenof9: not formal yet, pretty recent development
16:00:41 sevenof9: 30 to 40 members raptly interested
16:00:59 bitner: after what I saw last night, I'm guessing their meetings involve beer
16:01:00 sevenof9: have been representing OGSeo in a # of places
16:01:05 sevenof9: hehe
16:01:08 sevenof9: you can bet
16:01:25 sevenof9: but they call it "gov't workshop"...
16:01:55 sevenof9: How to raise OSGeo's profile in the region.
16:02:56 sevenof9: Gov't wants a stream of Open Source information, workshops, etc.
16:03:50 sevenof9: proprietary vendors show interest
16:03:58 sevenof9: educate them
16:04:00 sevenof9: :- )
16:04:16 sevenof9: they want to invite some of them and explore issues that OS raises.
16:04:20 ominoverde: hi sevenof9
16:04:27 sevenof9: hey ominoverde
16:04:37 ominoverde: nice sydney picture on the screen now
16:04:42 sevenof9: They want to host conference 09
16:04:46 sevenof9: Accepted!
16:04:51 ominoverde: +1
16:05:06 sevenof9: he is showing a picture of the beach and sun down.
16:05:13 sevenof9: lots of lols
16:05:25 sevenof9: Switching to francophone
16:05:38 sevenof9: Tyler chimes in
16:06:11 sevenof9: this one is not geographic, its about language
16:06:47 sevenof9: Yves Yacolin ( check the Wiki, he / they have been super-active )
16:06:56 sevenof9: mailing list with 99 subs
16:07:12 sevenof9: Geoevenement with 22 companies, lots of interest
16:07:23 sevenof9: ( thats a trade fair in France )
16:07:36 sevenof9: they have translated Vol 1 of the OSGeo newletter
16:07:37 bitner: translation of journal
16:07:54 sevenof9: local chapter has its own board
16:07:59 bitner: translating website
16:08:37 bitner: trying to get their own sponsorship
16:08:49 sevenof9: more activities in Tunis, on Autodesk meeting, etc.
16:09:21 bitner: french speaking canadian joke
16:09:26 sevenof9: roughly two dozen ( ? ) of French speaking people
16:09:27 bitner: italian chapter on deck
16:09:40 sevenof9: La Familia
16:10:11 sevenof9: The are so humble - saying they did not do much yet.
16:10:27 sevenof9: The Italian GFOSSIT is super active
16:10:30 bitner: >250 people at italian grass meeting in 2007
16:10:40 sevenof9: !
16:11:00 bitner: wiki, website, users mailing list....
16:11:07 bitner: main committee from grass
16:11:10 sevenof9: A lot of focus spawned from GRASS
16:11:16 bitner: community***
16:12:00 bitner: want to help with localization
16:12:22 bitner: ottawa users group
16:12:28 bitner: up now
16:13:06 ominoverde: bitner: where are you?
16:13:29 bitner: second row in the middle on the podium side
16:13:53 ominoverde: hmm, any sign?
16:14:10 bitner: white laptop
16:14:15 ominoverde: hhehe
16:14:33 sevenof9: the guy with the beard
16:14:37 ominoverde: white mac?
16:14:39 bitner: that's me
16:14:43 ominoverde: :- )
16:14:45 bitner: brown shirt
16:14:55 nhv: beer stains ?
16:15:00 bitner: not yet
16:15:07 ominoverde: not yet
16:15:09 bitner: sticky wicket is *after* the meeting
16:15:23 ominoverde: I'll be soon on the stage, for spanish chapter
16:15:30 bitner: I'll wave
16:15:38 ominoverde: thx, I'll apreciate
16:16:20 bitner: ominoverde on stage now
16:16:26 bitner: spanish community
16:16:59 bitner: >100 on mailing list
16:17:08 bitner: osgeo web translation
16:17:13 bitner: free gis book
16:17:57 bitner: gvsig and free fis meetings coming up in spain
16:18:04 bitner: *gis
16:18:28 sevenof9: Spanish community includes South Americas
16:18:45 sevenof9: Brazilians have their own thing but they are not here this year,
16:19:00 bitner: taiwan, going once
16:19:01 bitner: twice
16:19:06 bitner: now show
16:19:09 bitner: no show
16:19:18 sevenof9: UK show
16:19:25 sevenof9: THE FIRST WOMAN!
16:19:29 sevenof9: Yes, they do exist.
16:19:40 Bull_[UK]: really?
16:19:53 sevenof9: thinks they are unorganized
16:20:02 bitner: trying to persuade more brits to get involved
16:20:06 szekerest: what's her name?
16:20:13 sevenof9: Jo Cook
16:20:13 bitner: jo cook???
16:20:23 szekerest: yup
16:20:40 bitner: archaelogy big field in uk
16:20:45 sevenof9: Yes.
16:20:47 bitner: ( her field )
16:20:54 sevenof9: They were at FOSS4g 2006
16:21:10 bitner: open street map conference
16:21:15 bitner: open knowledge foundation
16:21:25 bitner: good job ominoverde
16:22:16 bitner: japan comin up
16:22:24 sevenof9: Toru Mori
16:22:37 ominoverde: thx, david, was it fast enough ?
16:22:39 ominoverde: Toru sugoi!
16:22:46 szekerest: taking a photo
16:22:48 sevenof9: Taking picture of the crowd
16:23:13 szekerest: a real japanese man
16:23:28 sevenof9: This is one of the formal chapters!
16:23:39 sevenof9: he is VP OSGeo Japan
16:23:56 sevenof9: Launched Oct 06
16:24:12 ominoverde: what a VP is? :-|
16:24:18 sevenof9: Vice President
16:24:35 ominoverde: :-O thx
16:24:40 sevenof9: if you are committee chair, etc. you become VP automatically so that we can grab you formally.
16:24:48 sevenof9: we = BoD
16:24:53 ominoverde: me CM
16:25:01 sevenof9: what is CM?
16:25:10 ominoverde: Charter Member?!?
16:25:29 bitner: osgeo japan conference in 06 had >150
16:26:23 sevenof9: Activities mostly wrt visibility and promotion
16:26:28 bitner: web, mailing lists in japanese
16:27:14 sevenof9: Ornkey is doing a really good job there.
16:27:15 bitner: 190k japanese pages on a google search now
16:27:54 sevenof9: Tyler got invited ot Osaka conference
16:28:06 sevenof9: which produced lots of laughter...
16:28:27 bitner: ( along with grinning mug shot on the slide )
16:28:47 ominoverde: Seven on stage
16:28:55 szekerest: Arnulf is on stage
16:29:03 bitner: german chapter
16:29:17 bitner: non-existent german chapter existed since 1998
16:29:23 ominoverde: :-|
16:30:14 bitner: intergeo happening right now
16:30:20 ominoverde: just 4 german people in the room
16:30:35 bitner: osgeo german group repping osgeo there now
16:31:32 : * ominoverde inviting arnulf to share their business with the spanish chapter
16:32:43 bitner: conference committee now
16:32:46 szekerest: jmckenna is coming up
16:33:45 sevenof9: Put out the RFP
16:33:55 sevenof9: every year - grows
16:34:19 sevenof9: currently around 15 people, looking for support!
16:35:05 sevenof9: four proposals to host FOSS4G for 2008 already
16:35:21 sevenof9: South Africa is the winner
16:35:31 bitner: wants talk on how decision should be made
16:35:35 bitner: should we vote
16:35:36 sevenof9: currently the confernce committe makes the desision
16:35:53 bitner: should charter members vote? all members?
16:36:17 bitner: now need to put RFP for 2009 within month
16:36:35 bitner: edu comm
16:36:59 bitner: charlie schweick
16:36:59 sevenof9: Charly Schweik
16:37:08 sevenof9: Charlie Schweik
16:37:21 bitner: something like that at least : )
16:37:45 bitner: work with universities
16:37:50 bitner: want more help
16:37:55 sevenof9: The major point is - we need volunteers
16:37:56 bitner: content devs
16:38:02 : * sevenof9 really never head that before...
16:38:26 bitner: individual software groups should connect with edu comm
16:38:37 bitner: along with local chapters
16:38:39 sevenof9: Current issues is with content development
16:38:44 sevenof9: and how to label
16:38:47 sevenof9: as OSGeo
16:38:55 sevenof9: WIki is stale, needs update
16:39:07 bitner: need content versioning system
16:39:10 bitner: bof tomorrow
16:39:14 sevenof9: Use moodle
16:39:15 bitner: oak room
16:39:23 sevenof9: its there already
16:39:29 bitner: tyler talking about journal
16:39:40 sevenof9: The Journal is not run by a formal committee
16:39:46 bitner: two issues out
16:39:53 bitner: market case studies
16:39:55 sevenof9: objective is two promote and market
16:40:19 sevenof9: for committees, softwar projects. etc.
16:40:33 sevenof9: talk to Tyler if you want to contribute
16:40:42 bitner: getting set up for peer review
16:40:52 sevenof9: ( no, he is not requesting for volunteers... :- )
16:40:57 bitner: get into printed bound format
16:41:15 sevenof9: The journal has deeloped greatly!
16:41:32 bitner: zool talking about geodata
16:41:40 sevenof9: Another WOMAN!
16:41:45 sevenof9: Unbelievable.
16:41:59 bitner: narrowing priorities
16:42:01 bitner: licensing
16:42:03 sevenof9: Talking about Geodata, Open Data Licensing
16:42:10 bitner: bootstrap public repository
16:42:15 bitner: driven by individual needs
16:42:20 bitner: grass book
16:42:28 bitner: flightgear project
16:42:38 bitner: telascience resources assistance
16:42:59 bitner: integration showcase
16:43:03 bitner: osm party
16:43:24 sevenof9: One of the most diffuse committees
16:43:32 : * bitner nods
16:43:35 sevenof9: because they are not producing software
16:44:02 bitner: hobu talking about sys admin
16:44:36 szekerest: short talk
16:44:36 bitner: thanks people who helped get away from collabnet
16:44:51 bitner: frankw talks about gdal/ogr
16:45:09 bitner: gdal status report as presentation
16:45:19 bitner: have sponsor funding
16:45:26 bitner: mloskot hired as maintainer
16:45:27 sevenof9: only OSGeo project with working sponsorship program
16:45:42 sevenof9: qgis is the next in queue
16:45:45 bitner: friday code sprint
16:46:01 sevenof9: Helena.
16:46:09 bitner: helna talking about grass
16:46:10 sevenof9: OK, we do have some women.
16:46:20 sevenof9: This is good.
16:46:33 bitner: women on stage as percentage greatly outweigh what's in the audience
16:46:37 sevenof9: Marksu didn't make it
16:46:48 sevenof9: bitner: True, but we don't have to tell people... :- )
16:47:03 bitner: we need to change that
16:47:09 sevenof9: Yes.
16:47:15 sevenof9: All men get out. Now.
16:47:16 sevenof9: hehe
16:47:16 bitner: women on stage good first step
16:47:18 ominoverde: it seems we are putting on the stage all women we have :- )
16:47:27 sevenof9: ominoverde: Yes.
16:47:33 ominoverde: good plan
16:47:56 sevenof9: GRASS is evaluating moving to Trac
16:48:03 sevenof9: because easier to use.
16:48:06 bitner: 20 mailing lists 20 mirrors
16:48:09 sevenof9: Wiki is very well recepted
16:48:12 sevenof9: as well as IRC
16:48:22 sevenof9: Online Book, etc.
16:48:37 sevenof9: 200 commits, 30 mails
16:48:47 sevenof9: 16 languages
16:49:01 sevenof9: a lot of activities focused on web mapping
16:49:19 sevenof9: solar energy web site
16:49:34 sevenof9: ominoverde: presents WPS
16:49:45 sevenof9: new OSGeo data set
16:49:47 sevenof9: applause!
16:49:58 sevenof9: Helena is cool!
16:50:31 sevenof9: Andrea Antonella presents JGRASS
16:50:41 sevenof9: Wednesday talk in Saanich
16:50:55 sevenof9: GRASS and uDIG integration
16:51:11 sevenof9: plan to move to SVN and OSGeo server
16:51:22 bitner: thanks to intevation for support of cvs
16:51:38 sevenof9: Big thanks to intevation ( German based ) for perfect support
16:51:58 sevenof9: Jeroen
16:52:08 sevenof9: GeoNetwork opensource ( yes, in one word )
16:52:56 sevenof9: fast growing, collaboration with other projects, new rlease 2.1 Ajax, OGC reference impl. ISO support
16:53:01 sevenof9: Ouch. That must hurt
16:53:06 sevenof9: :- )
16:53:28 ominoverde: hehe
16:54:18 ominoverde: why this room is so cold?
16:54:34 sevenof9: we are just south of Alaska
16:54:49 : * ominoverde missing the Mediterranean sun
16:54:49 sevenof9: Jody
16:55:10 sevenof9: cooler than the rest of tha gang, takes a glass of water.
16:55:14 bitner: geotools
16:55:26 sevenof9: in incubation forever
16:55:26 bitner: been in incubation forever
16:55:39 bitner: 4-5k downloads a month
16:55:42 sevenof9: 4 to 5 k downloads per month
16:55:47 bitner: beat you
16:55:55 sevenof9: not true.
16:56:10 sevenof9: [02:56:36] <sevenof9> 4 to 5 k downloads per month
16:56:10 sevenof9: [02:56:37] <bitner> 4-5k downloads a month
16:56:14 sevenof9: hehe
16:56:20 bitner: looking forward to code sprint on friday
16:56:48 sevenof9: They had a really concentrated code sprint in 06
16:56:57 sevenof9: promises to be good.
16:57:00 sevenof9: Bob's turn
16:57:10 bitner: sevenof9: I'd copy paste mine, but I hate macs one button track pads
16:57:10 sevenof9: Autodesk Map Guide Open Source
16:57:16 sevenof9: hehe
16:57:32 bitner: passed through incubation
16:58:00 sevenof9: please heat up this room, its freezing
16:58:08 bitner: of 3 major features, 2 coming from outside autodesk
16:58:23 bitner: it's comfortable on this side of the room
16:58:37 sevenof9: there is a lot of attention outside the old community
16:58:47 sevenof9: looks forward to another crazy and active year
16:58:56 bitner: danmo
16:59:00 bitner: mapserver
16:59:01 sevenof9: Daniel, yet another woman! Go!
16:59:10 bitner: : )
16:59:19 : * sevenof9 is referring to his role as Mother of MapServer...
16:59:21 bitner: mapserver 5 with improved agg rendering
16:59:23 sevenof9: no offence meant
16:59:25 bitner: ahhhhh
16:59:33 szekerest: :- )
16:59:42 bitner: tries to bring up crschmidt s boston freemap
17:00:32 sevenof9: resolved many long time issues
17:00:55 sevenof9: will try to get OGC compliant - eventually
17:01:14 bitner: are compliant... will try to get official stamp
17:01:25 szekerest: danmo welcomed me
17:01:26 sevenof9: partly moved to OSGeo hardware
17:01:56 sevenof9: rendering to be improved
17:01:59 bitner: more rendering improvements already
17:02:11 bitner: get gsoc projects
17:02:24 sevenof9: Mark Lucas, Ossim
17:02:27 bitner: mark lucas from ossim
17:03:02 sevenof9: high performance C++ core library
17:03:18 bitner: waiting for incubation approval
17:03:45 bitner: now working on imagelinker, omar, and ossimplanet
17:04:38 sevenof9: the place to go for 3D it seems
17:04:56 sevenof9: Thursday in Saanich
17:05:22 bitner: flying through 90gig tiffs
17:05:29 sevenof9: GDAL, BigTIFF, large stuff, big stuff, awsome
17:05:36 sevenof9: ossim
17:05:38 bitner: devs fully funded with gov contracts
17:05:53 sevenof9: Get paid for what they love to do.
17:06:05 bitner: metacarta team
17:06:08 sevenof9: Chris and Eric
17:06:09 bitner: openlayers
17:06:52 bitner: huge dev from camp2camp cameron shorter new contribs
17:06:56 sevenof9: contributions from camp2camp, Cameron Shorter, many others
17:07:03 bitner: lots of itches getting scratched
17:07:03 sevenof9: You won.
17:07:09 bitner: : )
17:08:00 bitner: moving away from metacarta to osgeo
17:08:12 sevenof9: 2.5 release tomorrow morning
17:08:12 bitner: 2.5 should be released tomorrow am
17:08:20 ominoverde: :- )
17:09:35 bitner: open floor discussion
17:09:37 : * Bull_[UK] is back [ www.bullsworld.co.uk ]
17:09:39 bitner: no plans no rules
17:09:48 bitner: just get done in time to get some beer
17:10:02 sevenof9: fight for your right to Open Source
17:10:05 sevenof9: or something like that
17:10:19 bitner: howdy tschaub
17:10:28 tschaub: yo
17:11:18 bitner: should there be more input in decision making for conference location
17:11:36 bitner: right now just conf comm gets RFP and votes internally
17:11:36 : * tschaub was hoping I'd catch crschmidt talkin smack about me
17:11:37 sevenof9: how to decide where to move with FOSS4G in years to come?
17:11:45 bitner: too late
17:11:51 sevenof9: currnently it is a committee decision
17:12:04 bitner: this is the longest I've ever been on irc that crschmidt hasn't said anything at all
17:12:06 sevenof9: should it be a broader member decision?
17:12:15 tschaub: broken finger?
17:12:31 bitner: he's got a laptop on in front of him
17:12:56 bitner: conference committee does need to be voted in
17:13:03 crschmidt: I've been working on routing
17:13:22 bitner: crschmidt: :- )
17:13:37 bitner: during the workshop we were seeing how far apart in BC we could go
17:14:33 tschaub: crschmidt: you do the routing workshop?
17:14:38 crschmidt: yep!
17:14:49 crschmidt: But yeah, I don't pay much attention to IRC when I'm in deep hack mode
17:14:54 crschmidt: and installing pgrouting requires deep hack mode
17:15:13 ominoverde: it does!
17:15:16 bitner: try getting boost etc. compiled on solaris!
17:15:37 crschmidt: I got it built
17:15:58 crschmidt: It actually took less time to get built than to fix all the things the pgrouting demo has that were OpenLayers librayr differences!
17:16:21 bitner: shoulda just grabbed an old OL
17:16:26 bitner: ;- )
17:16:31 crschmidt: it seems like they were using pre-2.4 WKT parser, Google Mercator from the sandbox, and applyDefaults from post-2.5
17:16:41 crschmidt: ( A patch they submitted a couple weeks ago )
17:16:49 sevenof9: There is a problem with transparency of processes?
17:17:09 sevenof9: wrt board votes, CFP votes, etc.
17:17:26 bitner: why pass xml format instead of just using merge( ) or st_union in postgis and passing just the wkt
17:19:39 bitner: helena --- discussions are the most important part
17:20:04 bitner: get feedback about what is really important fo people
17:20:57 sevenof9: In the beginning OSGeo was do-ocratic driven
17:21:01 sevenof9: maybe that is changing now?
17:21:20 sevenof9: It will also slow OSGeo down
17:23:30 sevenof9: interaction with the people who put together the proposals
17:26:54 bitner: sevenof9 advocates more smaller conferences
17:30:30 sevenof9: Conference as a revenue generating event for OSGeo funding?
17:30:37 sevenof9: ...was discussed at board meeting
17:31:48 sevenof9: #1: How good or bad is it if we want to make revenue with the conferences
17:31:58 sevenof9: #2: should we move around the world
17:33:09 : * bitner puts computer away... about time to go get some beer!
17:34:38 sevenof9: who is that?
17:35:27 ominoverde: Gavin Flaming maybe?
17:35:35 : * ominoverde don't really know Gavin
17:37:07 sevenof9: OL had only two people, but now there are more
17:37:28 sevenof9: Q was which kind of project can go into OSGeo Incubation
17:38:12 sevenof9: Schuyler explains that the Incubation process was an incentive to get going and open the project.
17:38:24 sevenof9: Incubation is a way to more opennenss
17:40:07 ominoverde: ciao!
17:40:15 sevenof9: Tyler ends AGM!
17:40:22 sevenof9: cu
17:58:13 : * bwoodall starts a campaign for FOSS4G in San Diego in '10