| 07:18:52 | sevenof9: | mornin' |
| 07:46:11 | acuster: | hey all, did anyone writeup notes on the annual meeting at foss4g? |
| 07:47:12 | crschmidt: | The IRC logs had a bunch of content |
| 07:47:32 | gsherman: | crschmidt, pay attention |
| 07:47:45 | acuster: | lol |
| 07:47:50 | crschmidt: | gsherman: you pay attention. he mentioned my name, did he mention your name? |
| 07:47:58 | gsherman: | nah, i'm a loser |
| 07:48:16 | crschmidt: | http://logs.qgis.org/osgeo/%23osgeo.2007-09-24.log |
| 07:48:20 | acuster: | what day was the meeting? |
| 07:48:21 | sigq: | Title: IRC Log - #OSGEO ( at logs.qgis.org ) |
| 07:48:25 | crschmidt: | acuster: that's the link |
| 07:48:27 | acuster: | ah, thanks |
| 07:48:35 | crschmidt: | gsherman: you're just too old |
| 07:48:39 | crschmidt: | ; ) |
| 07:48:40 | gsherman: | yup |
| 07:53:17 | gsherman: | crschmidt, hah!, he said quantum gis |
| 07:53:23 | gsherman: | did he say openlayers? |
| 07:53:58 | crschmidt: | he said mapbuilder. mapbuilder is just openlayers + XML |
| 07:56:32 | acuster: | well that was a waste of a read. Thanks for taking notes though. |
| 08:00:36 | sevenof9: | The inner works of Open Source Projects |
| 08:00:43 | sevenof9: | Hobu and Chris |
| 08:01:07 | sevenof9: | How many people have their first experience of Open Source today? |
| 08:01:11 | sevenof9: | Half the audience |
| 08:01:13 | sevenof9: | Woa |
| 08:01:18 | sevenof9: | How many are developers |
| 08:01:25 | sevenof9: | >20 |
| 08:01:32 | sevenof9: | As usual, they are off hacking |
| 08:01:42 | sevenof9: | Title: Who is the project? |
| 08:01:49 | sevenof9: | Users |
| 08:01:55 | sevenof9: | Users who write codee |
| 08:02:00 | sevenof9: | Uers who write dosc |
| 08:02:03 | acuster: | what's the talk? |
| 08:02:07 | sevenof9: | Users who write tests |
| 08:02:15 | sevenof9: | "The inner works of Open Source Projects" |
| 08:02:27 | sevenof9: | Chris and Hobu |
| 08:02:45 | sevenof9: | hobu explains how users tie into the process |
| 08:02:53 | acuster: | oooh, sounds totally mushy---good for early morning before the coffee has worked its full magic |
| 08:03:01 | sevenof9: | He is lying! He says Users write documentations. |
| 08:03:04 | sevenof9: | :- ) |
| 08:03:09 | sevenof9: | Scratch itches |
| 08:03:25 | sevenof9: | common interests scratch common itches |
| 08:03:31 | sevenof9: | Example: OpenLayers |
| 08:03:59 | sevenof9: | * Mapbender |
| 08:04:00 | sevenof9: | * MapBuilder |
| 08:04:00 | sevenof9: | * MapGuide Open Source |
| 08:04:00 | sevenof9: | * MapServer |
| 08:04:01 | sevenof9: | * OpenLayers |
| 08:04:03 | sevenof9: | Desktop Applications |
| 08:04:05 | sevenof9: | * GRASS |
| 08:04:07 | sevenof9: | * OSSIM |
| 08:04:09 | sevenof9: | * Quantum GIS |
| 08:04:11 | sevenof9: | * gvSIG |
| 08:04:13 | sevenof9: | Geospatial Libraries |
| 08:04:15 | sevenof9: | * FDO |
| 08:04:17 | sevenof9: | * GDAL/OGR |
| 08:04:19 | sevenof9: | * GeoTools |
| 08:04:21 | sevenof9: | Metadata Catalog |
| 08:04:23 | sevenof9: | * GeoNetwork opensource |
| 08:04:25 | sevenof9: | hehe, IRC SPam |
| 08:04:27 | sevenof9: | well, he mentioned all of them... |
| 08:04:31 | : | * acuster was a user who wrote the biggest docs of an app, part of a well known desktop project |
| 08:04:36 | darkblueB|off: | y, we did a meetup at in Portland, and there was something pretty noteworthy that came out - people tend to do the things that are fun or compelling, but a lot that is necessary just doesnt happen by iteslf.. Challenge for the new OSS world |
| 08:04:39 | sevenof9: | Venues for Finding Help |
| 08:04:41 | sevenof9: | kudus to acuster |
| 08:04:46 | acuster: | what as projects to scratch itches? |
| 08:04:51 | sevenof9: | kudos to darkblueB|off |
| 08:04:59 | : | * sevenof9 is ashamed to flame users on IRC |
| 08:05:09 | sevenof9: | Explain how to find help through |
| 08:05:12 | sevenof9: | Miailing |
| 08:05:14 | sevenof9: | lists |
| 08:05:16 | sevenof9: | IRC |
| 08:05:20 | sevenof9: | Bug Tracker |
| 08:05:21 | sevenof9: | Website |
| 08:05:44 | sevenof9: | Wiki |
| 08:06:19 | sevenof9: | Hobu explains BugTracker to a bunch of people who are at a FOSS event for the first time. I am impressed. |
| 08:06:35 | HyperJohnGraham: | morning all |
| 08:06:39 | sevenof9: | morning |
| 08:07:01 | sevenof9: | docs differ, |
| 08:07:07 | sevenof9: | some are good, some are only comments in the source code |
| 08:07:11 | sevenof9: | Chris takes over. |
| 08:07:23 | sevenof9: | Don't piss off the develoers! |
| 08:07:25 | sevenof9: | !!!! |
| 08:07:29 | sevenof9: | That is not helpful. |
| 08:07:30 | gsherman: | amen |
| 08:07:35 | HyperJohnGraham: | any webcast going to happen today ? |
| 08:07:40 | sevenof9: | The developers are the only ones who really know. |
| 08:07:49 | : | * sevenof9 does not knoa |
| 08:07:52 | sevenof9: | aloa |
| 08:08:10 | sevenof9: | Mailing a developer directly and requesting for things is a mistake |
| 08:08:20 | sevenof9: | First impression last a long time! |
| 08:08:38 | sevenof9: | Chris has an elephant's brain when it comes to ugly user behaviour |
| 08:09:05 | sevenof9: | If you found somethign that does not work for you: Expore the docs, bug tracker, FAQ. |
| 08:09:11 | sevenof9: | SEARCH yourself. |
| 08:09:19 | sevenof9: | Google for it. |
| 08:09:37 | sevenof9: | Blog posts, mailing lists, and so on - this is all out there in the Web! |
| 08:09:58 | sevenof9: | q="error name" projectname |
| 08:10:11 | sevenof9: | Reproduce error, |
| 08:10:19 | sevenof9: | write down references to dos |
| 08:10:28 | sevenof9: | concise description |
| 08:10:53 | sevenof9: | all the to the list ( version, data, other software involved fx broweser ) |
| 08:11:06 | sevenof9: | Be Polite, Be Concise, Be Gracious |
| 08:11:42 | sevenof9: | When the answer comes: |
| 08:11:51 | sevenof9: | Listen! |
| 08:12:12 | : | * sevenof9 thinks this is wasted on this channel. We all know this. |
| 08:12:39 | sevenof9: | Last time I did not transcribe Chris was sad, so I'll go on. |
| 08:12:46 | sevenof9: | Make developers happy. |
| 08:12:56 | sevenof9: | Explore Solutions |
| 08:13:04 | sevenof9: | if it works, document it. |
| 08:13:11 | sevenof9: | if not successful, file a bug. |
| 08:13:35 | sevenof9: | include attempted solutions |
| 08:13:43 | sevenof9: | check whether it has been filed already |
| 08:13:52 | sevenof9: | document specific failures |
| 08:14:06 | sevenof9: | document all relevant setup information, platform, etc. |
| 08:14:18 | sevenof9: | Chris does core talls |
| 08:14:21 | sevenof9: | talks |
| 08:14:28 | sevenof9: | pon patents, on how to Open Source. |
| 08:14:37 | sevenof9: | on how to REST |
| 08:14:40 | sevenof9: | Cool. |
| 08:14:52 | sevenof9: | Source code is pickeld, executable knowledge |
| 08:15:02 | sevenof9: | Attempt to find the error |
| 08:15:16 | sevenof9: | Don't be afraid of the Source Code. |
| 08:16:25 | sevenof9: | A developer's time is a limited resource. |
| 08:16:28 | sevenof9: | DONT WASTE IT! |
| 08:18:37 | sevenof9: | Chris is a perfect Übergeek |
| 08:19:03 | acuster: | what *is* this talk? |
| 08:19:04 | sevenof9: | he does not want money because he has no time because he is resolving problems for free. |
| 08:19:19 | acuster: | is the room full of 12 year old newbies? |
| 08:19:33 | sevenof9: | Hobu explains how to connect the Trust Network and find out who can solve the corresponding question. |
| 08:19:40 | sevenof9: | acuster: Relax. |
| 08:19:46 | sevenof9: | Everything is fine. |
| 08:19:51 | sevenof9: | This is necessary. |
| 08:19:52 | acuster: | Don't panic? |
| 08:19:55 | ominoverde: | everything is fine |
| 08:20:03 | sevenof9: | We Geeks think everybody knows. |
| 08:20:12 | sevenof9: | Fact is - only geeks know. |
| 08:20:19 | ominoverde: | :- ) |
| 08:20:35 | acuster: | for some approximation of everything that doesn't include the us, the 'raq, the 'lestine and other things |
| 08:21:15 | sevenof9: | Q: Why don't you point people to service providers right away? |
| 08:21:27 | sevenof9: | Chris talks about ESR |
| 08:21:40 | sevenof9: | and why they are giving this talk. |
| 08:21:41 | acuster: | guns! |
| 08:22:05 | acuster: | or maybe that's a different esr |
| 08:22:19 | acuster: | oh, esri |
| 08:22:25 | sevenof9: | Q: I was just thinking that the Gift Economy was a place where you could give money just to get answers. |
| 08:22:47 | acuster: | well you can 'give the money' all you want |
| 08:22:54 | sevenof9: | Hobu: The expectations of users go through different stages |
| 08:23:10 | sevenof9: | first they do not understand why a developer works on their problem immediately |
| 08:23:15 | sevenof9: | then they start to understand |
| 08:23:27 | sevenof9: | then they go through the steps as described above. |
| 08:24:01 | sevenof9: | Chris is really pissed off. |
| 08:24:11 | sevenof9: | But he stills laughs. |
| 08:25:14 | rabble: | not everybody here knows |
| 08:29:32 | sevenof9: | Good Talk! |
| 08:33:36 | sevenof9: | Tim Bowden |
| 08:33:45 | crschmidt: | thanks, arnulf |
| 08:33:50 | sevenof9: | how to blow away millions and still make friends. |
| 08:34:05 | darkblueB: | sevenof9: thank you! |
| 08:34:38 | sevenof9: | How can GeoFOSS chenage tech solutions to the Business Problem |
| 08:34:50 | sevenof9: | Freedom toe find the tech that fits the prob |
| 08:34:58 | sevenof9: | freedom to adapt that piece |
| 08:35:15 | sevenof9: | freedem to select the base tech without proprietary barrieres |
| 08:35:39 | sevenof9: | Why 3.5 million? |
| 08:35:52 | sevenof9: | HOW to blow away 3.5 million? |
| 08:36:00 | sevenof9: | you need a few proprietary friends |
| 08:36:00 | acuster: | oh, it arnulf! Salut! |
| 08:36:10 | sevenof9: | hey acuster :- ) |
| 08:36:28 | sevenof9: | how good was the ( im )propr solution |
| 08:36:41 | sevenof9: | How the OS soultion compared |
| 08:37:25 | sevenof9: | The proprietary vendor had a very similar stack to that of the OS solution. |
| 08:37:33 | sevenof9: | Numbers of installations were siimilar |
| 08:37:43 | sevenof9: | style was different |
| 08:37:51 | sevenof9: | the FOSS version solved the problem |
| 08:38:02 | sevenof9: | the proprietary version maximized installed version |
| 08:38:17 | sevenof9: | the proprietary style maximized numbers of installed software |
| 08:38:50 | bwoodall: | sevenof9 rocks |
| 08:39:11 | sevenof9: | Only where you have an expensive business problem, there is potential for a good solution. |
| 08:39:38 | sevenof9: | potnetially the cost of the solution is near that of the problem |
| 08:40:16 | sevenof9: | Ah, OK. |
| 08:40:30 | sevenof9: | Tim points our difference between cost and value. |
| 08:40:55 | sevenof9: | cost of solution is 1k, value can be immensly more |
| 08:41:13 | sevenof9: | intrinsict value of technolog has no intrinsic value whatsoever. |
| 08:41:21 | sevenof9: | intrinsict value of technolog is nothing |
| 08:41:47 | : | * sevenof9 is lost in Tim's rhetoric expertise and mixes up bits |
| 08:42:26 | sevenof9: | proprietary thinking: do not ever give away technology! |
| 08:42:34 | sevenof9: | why did the proprietary version fail? |
| 08:42:41 | sevenof9: | several reasons |
| 08:42:52 | sevenof9: | it was a disconnected architecture |
| 08:42:58 | sevenof9: | many transactions |
| 08:43:08 | sevenof9: | they put the database in the middle |
| 08:43:25 | sevenof9: | and ran into trouble with the transactions |
| 08:43:29 | sevenof9: | they had the software |
| 08:43:34 | sevenof9: | they had the tech expertise |
| 08:43:39 | sevenof9: | they had experience |
| 08:43:48 | sevenof9: | plenty of business experience |
| 08:44:09 | sevenof9: | What they did wrong is to select the software by the price sticker on the box |
| 08:44:19 | sevenof9: | and the technolgoy was the wrong one. |
| 08:45:03 | sevenof9: | What options does the Proprietary Vendor have? |
| 08:45:10 | : | * sevenof9 thinks none... :- ) |
| 08:45:27 | sevenof9: | Sell the solution instead of the tech? |
| 08:45:28 | sevenof9: | Price gets in the way |
| 08:45:38 | sevenof9: | Why can't hey go open source? |
| 08:45:51 | sevenof9: | They can't because their business model is on selling boxes. |
| 08:46:04 | sevenof9: | Why is Open Source so disruptive? |
| 08:46:18 | acuster: | it's not free software is disruptive |
| 08:46:32 | : | * sevenof9 doe not think that it is disruptive. That is such a strong word |
| 08:46:48 | sevenof9: | it is like "software piracy" |
| 08:46:54 | acuster: | sure it is, you have freedom to help others all of a sudden |
| 08:47:00 | acuster: | that's pretty powerful |
| 08:47:06 | sevenof9: | Answer: |
| 08:47:20 | sevenof9: | Early adopters are ignored by the Bigguns |
| 08:58:27 | sevenof9: | demonstrate the solution by showing it ( license costs are not the problem ) |
| 08:58:31 | sevenof9: | Look for allies |
| 08:59:03 | : | * sevenof9 wonders how long she was offline... Network unstable. |
| 09:00:17 | sevenof9: | solving the problems along the way |
| 09:00:34 | sevenof9: | Open Source is the Community |
| 09:00:45 | sevenof9: | without Community Open Source is nothing. |
| 09:01:40 | bwoodall: | about 10 minutes, sevenof9 |
| 09:02:21 | sevenof9: | He is not stopping. Will have to cut him off now. |
| 09:02:43 | acuster: | line up the tasers |
| 09:02:46 | acuster: | charge! |
| 09:10:52 | Schuyler: | hallo |
| 10:25:24 | : | * sevenof9 is back online |
| 10:25:51 | sevenof9: | Gavin Fleming |
| 10:26:26 | sevenof9: | Chair for FOSS4G 2008 in Capetown. South Africa |
| 10:26:56 | sevenof9: | Sustainable Development |
| 10:27:14 | sevenof9: | Quality of Life |
| 10:28:02 | sevenof9: | Max-Neef classifies the fundamental human needs as: |
| 10:28:03 | sevenof9: | * subsistence, |
| 10:28:05 | sevenof9: | * protection, |
| 10:28:07 | sevenof9: | * affection, |
| 10:28:09 | sevenof9: | * understanding, |
| 10:28:11 | sevenof9: | * participation, |
| 10:28:13 | sevenof9: | * recreation ( in the sense of leisure, time to reflect, or idleness ), |
| 10:28:15 | sevenof9: | * creation, |
| 10:28:17 | sevenof9: | * identity and |
| 10:28:19 | sevenof9: | * freedom. |
| 10:28:21 | sevenof9: | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_human_needs |
| 10:28:23 | sigq: | Title: Fundamental human needs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org ) |
| 10:28:43 | sevenof9: | now and into the future |
| 10:28:51 | sevenof9: | financially sound |
| 10:29:07 | sevenof9: | Maintain and build resource ( going RESTful... :- ) |
| 10:29:10 | chippy: | spauprcif |
| 10:29:20 | sevenof9: | human and capital |
| 10:29:45 | sevenof9: | GIS is good to supporting these things |
| 10:29:52 | sevenof9: | FOSSGIS is even better |
| 10:29:56 | sevenof9: | :-' ) |
| 10:30:12 | sevenof9: | Largest Gini coefficient |
| 10:30:18 | sevenof9: | Huge disparity |
| 10:30:35 | sevenof9: | included access to electricity, computers, bandwith |
| 10:30:41 | sevenof9: | 45% unemployment |
| 10:30:42 | sevenof9: | ouch |
| 10:31:00 | sevenof9: | all the above applies to SA - not to FOSSGIS |
| 10:31:07 | : | * sevenof9 just wants to make sure... |
| 10:31:53 | sevenof9: | GEOSS ( global earht observation system of systems ) |
| 10:32:03 | sevenof9: | 10 yea implementation plan |
| 10:32:15 | sevenof9: | 9 societal benefit areas |
| 10:32:22 | sevenof9: | ( look up list yourself ) |
| 10:32:47 | sevenof9: | http://earthobservation.org/ |
| 10:32:48 | sigq: | Title: earthobservation.org ( at earthobservation.org ) |
| 10:33:32 | sevenof9: | Arhgh - don't go there. |
| 10:33:33 | sevenof9: | Bad! |
| 10:33:38 | sevenof9: | http://www.earthobservations.org/index.html |
| 10:33:39 | sigq: | Title: GEO Group on Earth Observations | Home ( at www.earthobservations.org ) |
| 10:33:45 | sevenof9: | missing an "s" at the end. |
| 10:33:48 | sevenof9: | Grmpf. |
| 10:34:12 | sevenof9: | GEOSS reqiurements includes Service Oriented Architecture. |
| 10:34:16 | sevenof9: | Who teels them? |
| 10:34:28 | sevenof9: | ...tells them about ROA and REST? |
| 10:34:43 | sevenof9: | interop, open standards |
| 10:34:50 | sevenof9: | Open Source whereever possible. |
| 10:35:35 | sevenof9: | A lot is already happening in SA |
| 10:35:59 | sevenof9: | Government endorsed an Open Source Policy |
| 10:36:10 | sevenof9: | all gov't software must be Open Source in future. |
| 10:36:12 | sevenof9: | Cool. |
| 10:37:09 | sevenof9: | Official aspects are in place |
| 10:37:19 | sevenof9: | So what is missing? |
| 10:37:30 | sevenof9: | We are. |
| 10:37:47 | sevenof9: | Where can FOSS GIS help? |
| 10:38:05 | sevenof9: | ...set of standard savings list |
| 10:38:22 | sevenof9: | also increas local skills |
| 10:38:30 | sevenof9: | building local businesses |
| 10:39:12 | sevenof9: | provide wider access to information |
| 10:39:25 | sevenof9: | GIS is now in SA school curriculum |
| 10:39:36 | sevenof9: | ( this is more than most countries can say! ) |
| 10:39:51 | sevenof9: | BUT they have no electricity |
| 10:40:04 | sevenof9: | let alone computers or even web access |
| 10:40:19 | sevenof9: | so get into schools and universities |
| 10:41:25 | sevenof9: | Gavin challenges "us" to put together an easy to use edu package for next year's conference |
| 10:41:51 | sevenof9: | GISBox |
| 10:42:19 | sevenof9: | seems to be a Mac box with MapServer, GRASS, some client |
| 10:43:02 | : | * sevenof9 didn't quite get it, seems like US$ 3K for a year long subscription to access all SA geo data?! |
| 10:43:37 | sevenof9: | FOSS GIS in Health, Disaster Management |
| 10:43:54 | sevenof9: | manage fires in almost real time |
| 10:44:27 | sevenof9: | Democracy, public participation also critical to sust. dev. |
| 10:44:52 | sevenof9: | collaboration, sharing, communities, PPGIS, TOPP, 'power to people' |
| 10:45:04 | sevenof9: | monitoring |
| 10:45:07 | sevenof9: | swe |
| 10:45:49 | sevenof9: | FOSS GIS as business |
| 10:46:02 | sevenof9: | Four that Gavin knows of in SA! |
| 10:46:17 | sevenof9: | QSens ( with that GISBox ) and Globalimage |
| 10:46:28 | sevenof9: | Bind local capacity |
| 10:46:34 | sevenof9: | Mintek incubation project |
| 10:46:42 | sevenof9: | Whats he doing there? |
| 10:46:54 | sevenof9: | Setting up stacks with the OSGeo stack |
| 10:47:30 | sevenof9: | Case study: Xolobeni |
| 10:48:14 | sevenof9: | mining on the beach |
| 10:48:42 | sevenof9: | Opportunity: FOSS GIS incubator |
| 10:49:02 | sevenof9: | focus on building local businesses |
| 10:49:40 | : | * sevenof9 got to talk to that man. Seems like a good decision to go there with FOSS4G. |
| 10:50:17 | sevenof9: | http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa |
| 10:50:18 | sigq: | Title: Africa Info Page ( at lists.osgeo.org ) |
| 10:53:56 | sevenof9: | lunch |
| 12:02:46 | ominoverde: | room is getting crowded, Arita Franklin music on |
| 12:02:48 | ominoverde: | seven, where are thou? |
| 12:02:59 | ominoverde: | bitner: any fresh comment? |
| 12:03:12 | bitner: | when do I get to win the ipod |
| 12:03:36 | ominoverde: | I've forgot to fill up the form! |
| 12:05:00 | bitner: | paul trying to get folks to sit down |
| 12:06:10 | bitner: | flash bulbs going crazy |
| 12:06:23 | bitner: | talking about south africa foss4g2008 |
| 12:06:34 | bitner: | intro to next years conference |
| 12:06:40 | bitner: | gavin fleming |
| 12:06:43 | crschmidt: | well done to paul and his team |
| 12:06:50 | crschmidt: | this is the conference video |
| 12:06:54 | crschmidt: | conference center* |
| 12:07:18 | crschmidt: | ( showing a video of the conferencce center in capetown ) |
| 12:07:31 | bitner: | are the models going to be there? |
| 12:07:39 | crschmidt: | they better be |
| 12:07:45 | ominoverde: | suggestive video with italians car |
| 12:07:48 | crschmidt: | Looks quite cool. Shame it's $2500 to get there :p |
| 12:07:54 | crschmidt: | Video finishes |
| 12:08:03 | crschmidt: | he's wearing a mediva shirt |
| 12:08:08 | : | * bitner is now collecting donations to send him |
| 12:08:10 | crschmidt: | well done to the other places that put in bids |
| 12:08:15 | crschmidt: | thanks to osgeo for choosing south africa |
| 12:08:18 | crschmidt: | 1 year from now |
| 12:08:21 | : | * sevenof9 is happy that finally crschmidt took over! |
| 12:08:25 | bitner: | sept 29-oct 3 |
| 12:08:34 | crschmidt: | South africa is a country |
| 12:08:36 | crschmidt: | bottom of africa |
| 12:08:40 | sevenof9: | laughter |
| 12:08:44 | crschmidt: | not quite southernmost tip |
| 12:08:47 | crschmidt: | southernmost city |
| 12:08:51 | crschmidt: | southwest corner hook |
| 12:09:05 | crschmidt: | capetown faces north |
| 12:09:10 | sevenof9: | Google ketchup |
| 12:09:16 | crschmidt: | landmark south of it, cape point and lots of interesting things to do |
| 12:09:25 | crschmidt: | daniel krige invented in 1951 |
| 12:09:35 | crschmidt: | mark shuttleworth, thawte + canonical / ubuntu |
| 12:09:55 | crschmidt: | other projects around there |
| 12:09:55 | sevenof9: | pronounce übüntü |
| 12:10:01 | crschmidt: | john hay, freebsd core |
| 12:10:08 | crschmidt: | gdal/ossim contributors |
| 12:10:18 | crschmidt: | lots of open source + gis things going on |
| 12:10:37 | bitner: | 170 people on local chapter list |
| 12:10:42 | crschmidt: | Showing lots of pictures |
| 12:10:43 | bitner: | pretty pics |
| 12:11:04 | crschmidt: | some ideas of topics |
| 12:11:05 | sevenof9: | why does he shows us these, we never see any of this anyway... :- ) |
| 12:11:19 | bitner: | wine tasting |
| 12:11:22 | bitner: | : ) |
| 12:11:23 | crschmidt: | wine is big in south africa |
| 12:11:29 | sevenof9: | we'll see that |
| 12:11:30 | crschmidt: | winery tours |
| 12:11:37 | crschmidt: | snow on the mountains in winter |
| 12:11:49 | crschmidt: | features: build on FOSS4G stuff |
| 12:12:01 | crschmidt: | african penguins |
| 12:12:11 | crschmidt: | more pictures |
| 12:12:15 | crschmidt: | landmarks, flowers, etc. |
| 12:12:44 | crschmidt: | outreach to univerities |
| 12:12:51 | bitner: | tech visits ++ |
| 12:12:52 | crschmidt: | technical visits to other fossgis/proprietary gis is used |
| 12:12:56 | bitner: | sounds cool |
| 12:13:01 | crschmidt: | public lectures + workshops -- beyond conference participants. |
| 12:13:23 | crschmidt: | outreach going through into shabeen tour |
| 12:13:27 | crschmidt: | informal settlement tour |
| 12:13:37 | crschmidt: | areas where fossgis can be applied to help solve problems |
| 12:13:47 | crschmidt: | Outreach in these areas |
| 12:13:56 | bitner: | virtual market |
| 12:13:58 | crschmidt: | new features: virtual market where people can put up challenges/oppourtunities |
| 12:14:06 | crschmidt: | incorporate local gissa conerence |
| 12:14:24 | crschmidt: | a lot of local south africans |
| 12:14:43 | crschmidt: | hope to be able to sponsor/support for people from developing countries to get there |
| 12:14:44 | bitner: | sponsor students from devel coutnries |
| 12:14:48 | crschmidt: | fair trade, green event guideleines |
| 12:15:05 | crschmidt: | See a whale in capteown -- killer sharks, killer whales |
| 12:15:15 | crschmidt: | seals are favorite food for sharks |
| 12:15:36 | crschmidt: | cradle of humankind |
| 12:16:13 | crschmidt: | describing lots of things outside south africa |
| 12:16:14 | : | * sevenof9 will have to stay the rest of year after the conference to visit all those places |
| 12:16:23 | crschmidt: | travel beyond capetown and see safaris, gamedrives, etc. |
| 12:16:43 | crschmidt: | why in south africa |
| 12:16:47 | crschmidt: | national open source software |
| 12:16:55 | bitner: | gov open source policy ++ |
| 12:16:57 | crschmidt: | interoperable, open standards |
| 12:17:09 | crschmidt: | full support for president's office. |
| 12:17:30 | crschmidt: | gis is part of the school curriculum. |
| 12:17:45 | crschmidt: | excellent it skills |
| 12:17:50 | crschmidt: | affordable ( half the cost of canada ) |
| 12:17:55 | crschmidt: | ideal solution for developing countrie |
| 12:18:22 | crschmidt: | not so much of a developer core, hoping to grow communication |
| 12:18:30 | crschmidt: | long way to travel |
| 12:18:39 | crschmidt: | more expensive other places to NA than NA -> Africa |
| 12:18:55 | bitner: | another video |
| 12:19:17 | bitner: | capetown tourism video |
| 12:19:37 | : | * bitner is hungry watching these |
| 12:21:16 | crschmidt: | okay, i'm done for now, going to chat with wife instead of transcribing |
| 12:21:19 | crschmidt: | someone else can take over |
| 12:21:50 | sevenof9: | cal +27 blabla |
| 12:22:07 | bitner: | paul back up |
| 12:22:07 | sevenof9: | applause |
| 12:22:18 | bitner: | closing panel moderated by adena |
| 12:22:25 | bitner: | from directions mag |
| 12:22:43 | sevenof9: | Adena motions panel to get seated. |
| 12:22:45 | bitner: | panel: mark sondheim bc land mgmnt |
| 12:22:53 | bitner: | tim bowden consultant |
| 12:22:57 | bitner: | frankw |
| 12:23:04 | : | * sevenof9 is really happy to have Adena here. This is great! |
| 12:23:07 | bitner: | peter batty leads a startup |
| 12:23:33 | bitner: | topics |
| 12:23:36 | bitner: | present |
| 12:23:38 | bitner: | future |
| 12:23:40 | bitner: | standards |
| 12:23:48 | bitner: | os + proprietary vendors |
| 12:23:55 | bitner: | positioning ourselves |
| 12:24:22 | bitner: | the present: |
| 12:24:24 | sevenof9: | Hmm. How does the OS community fit itself into the geo-community? |
| 12:24:39 | sevenof9: | I thought that I am already in the geo-community? |
| 12:25:01 | bitner: | tim: on server side we are doing very good "a-" |
| 12:25:07 | bitner: | documentation lacking |
| 12:25:13 | bitner: | assumes too much knowledge |
| 12:25:13 | sevenof9: | Tim Bowden: critical |
| 12:25:18 | bitner: | not written for noobs |
| 12:25:28 | : | * sevenof9 heard that one before. |
| 12:25:38 | bitner: | desktop -- not doing nearly as well "c-" |
| 12:25:50 | bitner: | tools have capabilities... but |
| 12:26:01 | bitner: | same probs as wider os community |
| 12:26:10 | bitner: | focus too much on tools, not how they are being used |
| 12:26:17 | bitner: | need usability programs |
| 12:26:36 | bitner: | take a hint from the gaming community |
| 12:27:11 | bitner: | we focus on power of the tools, not about workflow, functionality |
| 12:27:11 | sevenof9: | ( ( those stools look semi-comfortable. :- ) ) |
| 12:27:36 | sevenof9: | geeks / users |
| 12:27:48 | bitner: | frankw: |
| 12:27:56 | bitner: | we operate at disadvantage |
| 12:28:11 | bitner: | financial investment makes people feel they have to like it |
| 12:28:25 | bitner: | ( proprietary software ) |
| 12:28:30 | sevenof9: | no pre-commitment in Open Source |
| 12:28:57 | bitner: | is that peter or mark? |
| 12:29:44 | bitner: | migration from smallworld difficult |
| 12:30:02 | bitner: | peter: |
| 12:30:10 | bitner: | impressed with energy e3xcitement |
| 12:30:21 | bitner: | in our early days still |
| 12:30:25 | bitner: | canada furthest ahead |
| 12:30:47 | bitner: | a lot of traction here |
| 12:30:57 | bitner: | more work to educate broader community |
| 12:31:13 | bitner: | people not aware what's going on here |
| 12:31:26 | bitner: | consolidate initiative |
| 12:31:28 | bitner: | s |
| 12:31:44 | sevenof9: | admits that is not easy to do |
| 12:31:52 | bitner: | tim disagrees |
| 12:32:06 | bitner: | believes the best will rise to the surface |
| 12:32:12 | bitner: | don't need consolidation |
| 12:32:58 | sevenof9: | top down or buttom up discussion |
| 12:33:07 | bitner: | now questions to audience |
| 12:33:10 | sevenof9: | Adena stops the discussion and asks plenary |
| 12:33:36 | ominoverde: | 360* room overview: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/1449572034_26024a972f_b.jpg |
| 12:33:55 | sevenof9: | Lots of Open Source is money driven |
| 12:34:01 | sevenof9: | ( that is a question ) |
| 12:34:05 | sevenof9: | ? |
| 12:34:14 | ominoverde: | ?? |
| 12:34:24 | sevenof9: | within software packages it might be important to make functions converge? |
| 12:34:27 | sevenof9: | Hu? |
| 12:34:31 | ominoverde: | actually sevenof9, which is the question? |
| 12:34:34 | : | * bitner not following |
| 12:34:39 | bitner: | modularization? |
| 12:34:42 | : | * ominoverde neither |
| 12:34:42 | sevenof9: | Modularizing is good? |
| 12:34:52 | sevenof9: | Q: ( tries again ) |
| 12:34:58 | : | * ominoverde will modularize then |
| 12:35:05 | sevenof9: | there is companies who want functions in software |
| 12:35:19 | sevenof9: | and and coherent piece of software |
| 12:35:25 | sevenof9: | FrankW agrees |
| 12:35:29 | : | * sevenof9 is releived |
| 12:35:30 | bitner: | streamline features into singel software that cooperates within itself |
| 12:35:31 | bitner: | frankw: |
| 12:35:42 | bitner: | oss driven by customer needs |
| 12:36:00 | bitner: | immediate response, but doesn't ensure everything goes along togetyher |
| 12:36:06 | sevenof9: | coordianted by PSC |
| 12:36:22 | bitner: | governance model can help |
| 12:36:34 | bitner: | tim: comes back to usability testing |
| 12:36:40 | bitner: | make sure everything fits together |
| 12:36:44 | ominoverde: | is frankW using a french accent? |
| 12:36:59 | sevenof9: | Venka |
| 12:37:14 | sevenof9: | qGis and GRASS coming together |
| 12:37:23 | sevenof9: | gvSIG and GeoTools( ? ) |
| 12:37:39 | sevenof9: | so by FOSS4G 2008 we will have more cooperation |
| 12:37:40 | : | * nhv not so sure likes many ways of doing things approach more experimentation assures 'genetic' health |
| 12:37:43 | bitner: | tim buts in with pessimism again |
| 12:37:46 | sevenof9: | Tim is less optimistic |
| 12:37:59 | sevenof9: | Tim is after usability |
| 12:38:09 | bitner: | is there web cast up now? |
| 12:38:17 | sevenof9: | nhv++ |
| 12:38:21 | nhv: | I lost the url |
| 12:38:29 | bitner: | ubuntu is making headway |
| 12:38:39 | bitner: | we need to learn lessons from them |
| 12:38:44 | : | * sevenof9 wonders how one can lose a URL? |
| 12:38:58 | sevenof9: | takes a lot of money |
| 12:39:05 | sevenof9: | its a business problem |
| 12:39:05 | bitner: | move on to future question |
| 12:39:06 | nhv: | left it on another machine |
| 12:39:12 | bitner: | starting with frankw |
| 12:39:19 | sevenof9: | Adena shoots at Frank. Don't do that. We still need him, |
| 12:39:21 | bitner: | will we see foss4g be dominated by few |
| 12:39:32 | bitner: | companies, projects |
| 12:39:43 | sevenof9: | how can OS be more successfull |
| 12:39:43 | sevenof9: | it is already |
| 12:39:44 | sevenof9: | :- ) |
| 12:39:48 | nhv: | it started that way |
| 12:39:57 | sevenof9: | IBM. Novell, blabla |
| 12:40:04 | sevenof9: | but they do not have a lot of control |
| 12:40:04 | nhv: | but we are seeing more projects come forward |
| 12:40:11 | bitner: | don't have a lot of control even though they have a lot of presence |
| 12:40:17 | sevenof9: | ends up in the community |
| 12:40:31 | bitner: | will see the same thing with foss4g |
| 12:40:35 | bitner: | never locked in |
| 12:40:37 | sevenof9: | essentially community is simply to vast to control or "manage". Which is a good thing. |
| 12:40:41 | bitner: | they don't own their user base |
| 12:40:57 | sevenof9: | will see consolidation |
| 12:41:07 | bitner: | will see some consolidatioin around products that get a lot of interets |
| 12:41:19 | bitner: | mapserver has traditionally had large mindshare |
| 12:41:28 | bitner: | now openlayers doing the same with slippy maps |
| 12:41:28 | sevenof9: | OpenLayers is huge on that issus |
| 12:41:39 | sevenof9: | leaving other guys behind |
| 12:41:42 | sevenof9: | laughs |
| 12:41:50 | sevenof9: | lotsalols |
| 12:41:53 | crschmidt: | 2whoo, openlayers |
| 12:42:16 | sevenof9: | crschmidt: ++ |
| 12:42:45 | bitner: | peter: quote buying proprietary software llike buying car with hood welded shurt |
| 12:42:48 | sevenof9: | web mapping will drive a lot of momentum |
| 12:42:51 | nhv: | openlayers is cool but is only presentation layer |
| 12:42:51 | sevenof9: | in the OS arean |
| 12:42:53 | sevenof9: | arena |
| 12:42:58 | sevenof9: | PostGIS is another one |
| 12:43:38 | bitner: | difficult when want to standardize on one db across enterprise |
| 12:43:46 | sevenof9: | nhv: it is what people see. This will be our problem to cope with more and more in future. I dunno how Frank copes with it. |
| 12:43:52 | sevenof9: | Nobody "sees" GDAL |
| 12:44:00 | bitner: | prediction more closed source vendors will want to get involved in oss |
| 12:44:09 | sevenof9: | hard sell on gov't |
| 12:44:23 | bitner: | mark: hard sell in gov -- but canada has managed to play a sig role |
| 12:44:30 | nhv: | gov't is is getting behind OS |
| 12:44:46 | bitner: | jts geos, funded by bc gov |
| 12:44:52 | bitner: | & ontario |
| 12:45:01 | sevenof9: | benefits of Open Source seen globally |
| 12:45:16 | sevenof9: | ESRI owns ontario |
| 12:45:18 | sevenof9: | ouch |
| 12:45:22 | bitner: | "esri pretty much owns ontario" |
| 12:45:25 | bitner: | hee hee |
| 12:45:47 | bitner: | bc emergency services using postgis |
| 12:45:52 | sevenof9: | ...swiching to geo data |
| 12:46:16 | sevenof9: | wandering over to "enterprise solution" not making exclusive use of Open Source |
| 12:46:26 | sevenof9: | Why that? |
| 12:46:26 | sevenof9: | :- ) |
| 12:46:47 | bitner: | tim: when talking about enterprise solutions we're missing the mark |
| 12:46:57 | bitner: | postgresql is the general it solution |
| 12:47:05 | bitner: | postgis is just a part of it |
| 12:47:12 | bitner: | can/should be used throughout |
| 12:47:20 | sevenof9: | PostgreSQL / PostGIS is in enterprise use! |
| 12:47:23 | nhv: | bitner ++ |
| 12:47:31 | sevenof9: | Tim ++ |
| 12:47:33 | bitner: | gis will get subsumed as part of normal ops |
| 12:47:45 | : | * bitner just transcribing |
| 12:48:02 | : | * nhv thanks the scribes |
| 12:48:10 | : | * sevenof9 sometimes tweaks content slightly. Sorry for that. |
| 12:48:21 | nhv: | commentary appreciated |
| 12:48:59 | bitner: | peter: if you're selling postgis, they will be replacing db with postgresql for other uses too |
| 12:49:08 | bitner: | back to audience |
| 12:49:31 | bitner: | growth rate? |
| 12:49:45 | bitner: | two person shop with one programmer, should jump in now or wait |
| 12:49:56 | bitner: | faster to devel as apps mature |
| 12:50:02 | bitner: | tim: |
| 12:50:11 | bitner: | we've already got most of the tools to solve the problems |
| 12:50:22 | bitner: | peter: os more mature on db side, less on client |
| 12:50:29 | : | * bitner disagrees on web mapping side |
| 12:50:44 | bitner: | frankw: don't wait |
| 12:50:51 | bitner: | another Q |
| 12:51:07 | bitner: | rise of app dev communities like the arcview community |
| 12:51:17 | bitner: | ( presumably like the avenue community ) |
| 12:51:30 | bitner: | now we have the python community ( frankw ) |
| 12:51:37 | bitner: | people have doing that on grass forever |
| 12:51:46 | bitner: | web environment |
| 12:51:58 | bitner: | don't have to be a rocket scientist |
| 12:52:16 | bitner: | sometimes general python community, not necesarily just geo comm |
| 12:52:22 | ticheler: | we should put an OSGeoScripts sectin up! |
| 12:52:28 | ticheler: | section |
| 12:52:31 | bitner: | ticheler: ++ |
| 12:52:44 | bitner: | tim: franks right ( laughter ) |
| 12:52:52 | bitner: | don't think about gis, it's dead |
| 12:52:58 | bitner: | it's now part of everything else |
| 12:53:22 | bitner: | it's happening, it's just not all the same and as obvious |
| 12:53:36 | bitner: | peter: asset mgmt etc now has spatial parts |
| 12:54:27 | darkblueB|off: | geospatially enabled data is grwoing much, much faster than the core of GIS trained pros can handle |
| 12:54:52 | bitner: | mark: reality, specific geo groups not quite as important |
| 12:54:58 | sevenof9: | test 234 |
| 12:54:59 | bitner: | find people who understand the tools |
| 12:55:01 | : | * sevenof9 is being censored by the network |
| 12:55:24 | bitner: | on to 3rd topic, standards |
| 12:55:34 | bitner: | what should the relation be between ogc and osgeo |
| 12:55:47 | bitner: | defacto open standards, let people catch up? |
| 12:55:50 | bitner: | mark: |
| 12:55:57 | sevenof9: | GIS is dead |
| 12:56:06 | bitner: | what kind of standards? |
| 12:56:11 | bitner: | model, distro,... |
| 12:56:32 | bitner: | SFS model most succesful thing out of ogc |
| 12:56:36 | bitner: | WMS a second |
| 12:56:50 | sevenof9: | OGC cool! Applause by Raj |
| 12:57:04 | bitner: | gml3 harder take |
| 12:57:12 | sevenof9: | Tim is being negative again. :- ) |
| 12:57:57 | sevenof9: | Some standards are to highly sophisticated |
| 12:57:57 | bitner: | previous standard tehy tried to use was too complicated, worked for them, but noone else usesd |
| 12:58:00 | sevenof9: | too |
| 12:58:11 | bitner: | SAIF was format |
| 12:58:21 | bitner: | that's where safe software's name came from |
| 12:58:28 | bitner: | ( side note from adena ) |
| 12:58:48 | sevenof9: | "...the extinct GIS community..." |
| 12:59:13 | bitner: | "it" was known for sfs |
| 12:59:27 | bitner: | not for all other standards |
| 12:59:32 | bitner: | "it" being the goal |
| 12:59:40 | sevenof9: | now "it" is simply "information technology" |
| 12:59:44 | sevenof9: | :- ) |
| 13:00:10 | sevenof9: | What relationship should OSGeo have with OGC |
| 13:00:14 | bitner: | OGC still has some life in it |
| 13:00:20 | sevenof9: | OSGeo should have a strong rel |
| 13:00:20 | bitner: | we should have strong relationship |
| 13:00:32 | bitner: | are there other bodies out there arch, engineering, utils |
| 13:00:37 | bitner: | that we should have rels with too |
| 13:00:49 | bitner: | cautiously... |
| 13:00:57 | : | * sevenof9 comments that OSGeo should help OGC survive Google |
| 13:01:04 | bitner: | Tim: we should have strong relationship, but we shouldn't wait for them |
| 13:01:13 | bitner: | we are fast by nature, they are slow and cautious |
| 13:01:24 | bitner: | we should explore what should be done then hand that to the OGC |
| 13:01:30 | sevenof9: | well, we are not that fast |
| 13:01:46 | : | * bitner looks to crschmidt |
| 13:01:47 | darkblueB: | experimental perhaps |
| 13:02:12 | sevenof9: | crschmidt is an Übergeek |
| 13:02:16 | crschmidt: | hey, I said that, I though |
| 13:02:17 | crschmidt: | t |
| 13:02:20 | bitner: | frankw: georss a good example |
| 13:02:22 | crschmidt: | didn't i? |
| 13:03:06 | bitner: | ogc chould be the stnadards body osgeo should help influence and implement |
| 13:03:08 | sevenof9: | OGC is standard body, OSGeo should implement the software and give input |
| 13:03:25 | : | * darkblueB OSGeo has to make sure to have reliable monetization |
| 13:03:43 | : | * bitner needs a filter that corrects my irc spelling on the fly |
| 13:03:47 | : | * darkblueB of some kinds, without compromisin itself |
| 13:03:47 | sevenof9: | darkblueB =~ bigblue? |
| 13:04:24 | bitner: | we've solved problem of sharing geospatil data |
| 13:04:27 | : | * darkblueB OSS can exist in a vacuum apart from market, but needs 'visible means of support' |
| 13:04:29 | bitner: | ( peter ) |
| 13:04:58 | sevenof9: | I don't want to exist in a vacuum. That is painful. |
| 13:05:07 | bitner: | back to audience |
| 13:05:24 | bitner: | standards are an opportunity to sell ourself |
| 13:05:30 | sevenof9: | Standards are an opportunity to move away from prop soft |
| 13:05:33 | bitner: | as we are often first to meet the standards |
| 13:05:54 | bitner: | standards give us the edge |
| 13:05:58 | bitner: | peter disagrees |
| 13:05:59 | nhv: | georss is a good example of how os community can help ogc |
| 13:06:04 | sevenof9: | That was not a questions, that was a comment. ( that guy is 4 sure being paid by OGC ) |
| 13:06:39 | bitner: | he's an army corp consultant -- in his experience it *is* likely important |
| 13:07:01 | sevenof9: | OK. Now the data guys are creeping out of their rspecitve holes. |
| 13:07:29 | bitner: | science guy now saying we need to look at science community standards too |
| 13:07:35 | nhv: | if standards don't work osgeo can adopt/make adhoc methods and the standards folk can adopt them |
| 13:07:56 | bitner: | geonetwork good starting point for metadata work |
| 13:08:00 | nhv: | science has it's own standards and is just coming to grips with OGC |
| 13:08:36 | bitner: | next Q |
| 13:08:38 | : | * sevenof9 is being disrespectful |
| 13:08:45 | ticheler: | ++ to FrankW |
| 13:08:46 | bitner: | rel between os and proprietary vendors |
| 13:08:53 | sevenof9: | What is the challenge of Open Source |
| 13:08:55 | sevenof9: | ? |
| 13:09:09 | bitner: | do goog/ms entry into the arena help or hurt |
| 13:09:10 | sevenof9: | how can Güügle and macrohard |
| 13:09:14 | sevenof9: | hurt FOSS |
| 13:09:21 | bitner: | *or help |
| 13:09:25 | sevenof9: | They can't |
| 13:09:30 | bitner: | ;- ) |
| 13:09:35 | sevenof9: | can they? |
| 13:09:49 | : | * bitner trying to transcribe with minimal commentary : ) |
| 13:09:54 | : | * darkblueB impressed by u-umlaut in fast irc |
| 13:10:07 | : | * nhv thinks we need to be real careful of OpenAPIs that aren't OpenSource |
| 13:10:12 | bitner: | peter: autodesk saw the writing on the wall |
| 13:10:15 | : | * sevenof9 has a German keypoard.How does it come through? |
| 13:10:25 | ticheler: | ok |
| 13:10:25 | crschmidt: | sevenof9: you're not using utf-8 |
| 13:10:27 | darkblueB: | ü |
| 13:10:34 | crschmidt: | so it works for people in latin-1 |
| 13:10:35 | : | * sevenof9 can't type nor spell though |
| 13:10:38 | crschmidt: | ( but not for people who do things right :p ) |
| 13:11:31 | : | * sevenof9 tries to be an Übergeek too. Better? |
| 13:11:41 | nhv: | that worked |
| 13:11:42 | bitner: | proprietary vendors moving more towards services and maintenance --- more like the os world |
| 13:12:18 | sevenof9: | Yes. They also learn. But they still have the inferior business model. :- ) |
| 13:12:26 | darkblueB: | conventiaonal wording is that big corp players 'legitimize' market, what that really means is a lrger topic.. OSS has to be kept honest, too.. Big Players are a great development, until they dominate.. thats another story |
| 13:12:30 | : | * nhv predicts services and maintenance is where the future money will be |
| 13:12:31 | sevenof9: | Ignore ESRI |
| 13:12:36 | sevenof9: | What is ESRI? |
| 13:12:48 | sevenof9: | how to ignore 15k people? |
| 13:12:58 | sevenof9: | get them to FOSS4G |
| 13:13:00 | sevenof9: | :- ) |
| 13:13:09 | bitner: | Tim: move GIS as part of everything |
| 13:13:16 | bitner: | GIS by itself is dead |
| 13:13:21 | sevenof9: | nhv: ++ |
| 13:13:25 | darkblueB: | ++ |
| 13:13:29 | sevenof9: | nhv + it already is to some |
| 13:13:34 | sevenof9: | :- ) |
| 13:13:44 | nhv: | right lat lon are just 2 more columns in the table |
| 13:14:38 | bitner: | mark: what's impace of all the hiring that google is doing in this field |
| 13:14:46 | bitner: | tim: profound impact |
| 13:15:03 | bitner: | investment in making geospatial part of everyday experience |
| 13:15:17 | : | * ominoverde has low batteries now. Hi jsanz :- ) |
| 13:15:20 | bitner: | ticheler/ominoverde is having borg mind meld, becoming one |
| 13:15:29 | sevenof9: | Google is only screen scraping 1% of all geospatial data! |
| 13:15:32 | jsanz: | hi ominoverde |
| 13:15:32 | ominoverde: | hehe ( echo hehe ) |
| 13:15:47 | : | * darkblueB this google making geo part of search is a big point |
| 13:15:48 | ominoverde: | hi jorge |
| 13:15:51 | : | * nhv 's largest fear is that Google will hire away the best of the communities talent |
| 13:16:07 | : | * ominoverde and ticheler are switching of... batteries other ( in general ) |
| 13:16:10 | sevenof9: | nhv: no problem. |
| 13:16:11 | ominoverde: | s/other/over/ |
| 13:16:17 | bitner: | nhv: the point was they are pulling the best minds from other fields and making them into geo folks |
| 13:16:18 | sevenof9: | Either way. |
| 13:16:23 | bitner: | or at least geo aware |
| 13:16:30 | sevenof9: | either G hirs people and they work from within |
| 13:16:48 | sevenof9: | or G cannot hire them because there are others who can proivde a nicer environment. |
| 13:17:15 | bitner: | spatial is just becoming a part of everything else |
| 13:17:32 | : | * darkblueB notices many computer geeks work too much, whereever they are |
| 13:17:32 | bitner: | audience again |
| 13:17:54 | : | * darkblueB myself included |
| 13:18:28 | : | * sevenof9 was just awarded a budget of 15k to VisCom for marketing for the next year. We are going to run over the world with that. :- ) |
| 13:18:57 | sevenof9: | Comment was that the props have market and mind share. |
| 13:19:07 | bitner: | sevenof9: ++ |
| 13:20:04 | sevenof9: | Forest guy asks whether assisted or self controlled is better |
| 13:20:09 | bitner: | tim: data gains more value when you can free up distribution |
| 13:20:19 | sevenof9: | Tim comments that data is a difficult thing though |
| 13:20:25 | bitner: | thanks sevenof9, my fingers are slowing down |
| 13:20:48 | darkblueB: | !! data is more complex than that one liner |
| 13:21:29 | sevenof9: | you mean this: ...Google is only screen scraping 1% of all geospatial data! |
| 13:21:40 | sevenof9: | applause |
| 13:21:40 | bitner: | panel done |
| 13:21:52 | darkblueB: | thanks, scribes |
| 13:21:53 | sevenof9: | Paul takes over |
| 13:22:00 | bitner: | sol katz award |
| 13:22:16 | bitner: | frankw and jeff mckenna to the stage |
| 13:22:32 | sevenof9: | FrankW OSGeo President and Jeffe McKenna present the Sol Katz award. |
| 13:23:51 | bitner: | background of Sol |
| 13:24:02 | bitner: | 2005 awarded to Frank W |
| 13:24:11 | bitner: | 2006 to Markus Neteler |
| 13:24:17 | bitner: | on to Frank to announce |
| 13:24:23 | sevenof9: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Sol_Katz_Award |
| 13:24:25 | sigq: | Title: Sol Katz Award - OSGEO ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 13:24:27 | bitner: | Steve Lime |
| 13:24:31 | bitner: | applause |
| 13:24:34 | nhv: | w00t!! |
| 13:24:42 | bitner: | good thing he made it here |
| 13:25:24 | bitner: | MapServer has been the killer app for osgeo community |
| 13:25:46 | bitner: | first MUM was the progenitor of our meeting today |
| 13:25:59 | bitner: | what makes Steve special |
| 13:26:02 | sevenof9: | FrankW has difficulties reading his scribbles |
| 13:26:04 | bitner: | strong programmer |
| 13:26:09 | bitner: | strong technically |
| 13:26:14 | bitner: | approachable |
| 13:26:16 | bitner: | egoless |
| 13:26:26 | bitner: | thrilled to have people take over parts |
| 13:26:29 | bitner: | not a control freak |
| 13:26:42 | bitner: | magic not os or tech, way he made welcoming community |
| 13:26:48 | bitner: | brought together contributors |
| 13:26:59 | bitner: | MapServer also approachable |
| 13:27:05 | bitner: | comments from Steve now: |
| 13:27:17 | bitner: | this is cool, thank you |
| 13:27:31 | bitner: | admires talent in audience |
| 13:27:34 | sevenof9: | humble yet again |
