#OSGEO IRC Log - 2008-09-10

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01:15:56 ticheler: seven: Is there an agenda for the next board meeting yet?
05:41:53 TylerM: boy I must really like you guys, to be up this early ; )
05:42:02 tbowden: Evening Mr Tyler
05:42:15 TylerM: oi! how's it going?
05:42:22 tbowden: yawn
05:42:31 tbowden: otherwise well
05:42:38 TylerM: late?
05:42:41 tbowden: and excited!
05:42:56 tbowden: nearly 10pm
05:43:06 TylerM: great... I just felt some load fall from my shoulders ;- )
05:43:22 TylerM: not too worried, just kidding
05:43:26 tbowden: glad to be of service...
05:43:57 TylerM: where do you live.. are you in sydney?
05:44:09 tbowden: Perth. Two hours behind Sydney
05:44:21 tbowden: Bit too late for Cameron I think
05:44:42 TylerM: west side then.. i see
05:45:06 tbowden: Grew up in Sydney though
05:45:20 tbowden: Good pubs there.
05:45:26 TylerM: heh
05:45:31 tbowden: Will introduce you to some next year
05:45:32 TylerM: i'll have to make it out that way
05:46:03 TylerM: since i'm from the canadian hinterland, I like to see more than just one city when I go somewhere : )
05:46:35 tbowden: Melbourne is the cultural city
05:46:41 tbowden: Brisbane sunny
05:46:53 tbowden: Adelaide boring
05:46:57 TylerM: heh
05:46:59 tbowden: Perth isolated
05:47:08 TylerM: speaking of Melbourne..
05:47:08 tbowden: Hobart inbread
05:47:17 TylerM: you better stop while you're ahead ;- ) heh
05:47:36 TylerM: I'd hate to hear what you say about Darwin
05:47:47 tbowden: Just recycling steriotypes
05:47:55 tbowden: Darwin: Lost cause.
05:48:08 tbowden: Nice if you want an outback adventure though
05:48:15 tbowden: Just pick your time.
05:48:21 tbowden: Very tropical
05:48:22 TylerM: it's rocky point i'm really interested in
05:48:23 TylerM: ;- )
05:48:30 dpatton: maybe Tyler should go on a walkabout when he's there ;- )
05:48:41 tbowden: Alice springs is the go
05:49:08 tbowden: Must see Uluru ( Ayers Rock )
05:49:21 tbowden: Very different to Canada
05:49:47 TylerM: g'day dpatton
05:49:48 dpatton: yes - we seldom see roos up here :- )
05:50:08 tbowden: I hear one escaped in Germany yesterday
05:50:22 tbowden: Confused the ^%$ out of the locals by all accounts
05:50:30 tbowden: Tried to feed it with dog food.
05:50:38 tbowden: but they eat grass
05:50:46 tbowden: funny for us
05:51:02 TylerM: heh
05:51:16 TylerM: there was one loose near here too
05:51:21 TylerM: dpatton: in kamloops!
05:51:45 dpatton: probably trying to escape the smell of the pulp mill
05:52:16 tbowden: Plenty down here
05:52:18 TylerM: http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=59febfaa-12b4-4170-9106-4de06f806ca1
05:52:19 sigq: Title: Wanted by Kamloops RCMP: One wayward little wallaby ( at www.canada.com )
05:52:26 TylerM: well, better get my tea before i get too chatty
05:52:39 tbowden: and usually reasonably safe
05:52:45 tbowden: unlike the drop bears.
05:53:04 tbowden: Must be careful of them if you're out in the scrub Tyler
05:53:14 TylerM: oh yeah, I have this guys' album.. http://marksaul.tv/ . he's from melbourne and is available as entertainment for foss4g 2009 : )
05:53:16 sigq: Title: Mark Saul ( at marksaul.tv )
05:53:34 TylerM: does some pretty fun toetapping groovy stuff, but also some sweet gentle work too.
05:53:39 tbowden: looking...
05:53:51 dpatton: I thought the Aussies were the entertainment for FOSS4G2009?
05:53:52 TylerM: it's pipes like you never heard before :D
05:54:02 TylerM: heh
05:54:20 tbowden: in yer box dpatton...
05:54:44 ominoverde: buongiorno TylerM
05:55:29 tbowden: Actually, we are intending to put a bloody entertaining show on
05:57:53 TylerM: ominoverde: hola hermanos!
05:58:04 ominoverde: :- )
05:58:22 ominoverde: you seem pretty busy, since early in the morning
05:58:39 TylerM: ¿ como esta usted ?
05:58:46 ominoverde: muy bien, hermano
05:59:10 : * ominoverde is playing with free GIS clases on the wiki
05:59:35 ominoverde: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Curso_de_utilizaci3n_de_Est%A1ndares_Abiertos_con_Software_Libre
05:59:36 sigq: Title: Curso de utilizaci3n de Est¡ndares Abiertos con Software Libre - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
05:59:41 ominoverde: that's in spanish...
06:00:12 dpatton: I think having the OSGeo ED, in full Aboriginal war paint, walking through the opening plenary on the way to the stage, with Mark Saul's music playing, would be entertaining ;- )
06:00:40 TylerM: i'll do anything for a laugh.. but i wouldn't talk about it publicly first ; )
06:00:40 tbowden: Sorry, no war paint.
06:00:55 ticheler: hi all
06:01:03 TylerM: go ominoverde go
06:01:05 tbowden: there war remarkably little fighting between tribes...
06:01:07 TylerM: hi ticheler
06:01:19 tbowden: too busy trying to survive in a hostile land
06:01:25 ticheler: Hi TylerM ominoverde and tbowden !
06:01:27 ominoverde: hola ticheler!
06:01:37 TylerM: tbowden: i think he meant FOSS war colours ;- )
06:01:37 tbowden: evening mr ticheler
06:01:40 ominoverde: and tim!
06:01:43 ticheler: oh, and dpatton :- )
06:01:49 ominoverde: and everybody!
06:01:50 ticheler: and all
06:02:00 : * dpatton waves at everybody
06:02:08 tbowden: FOSS war colours? we have them?
06:02:21 tbowden: waves all round...
06:02:57 dpatton: one is blue( C = sea = blue ) and the other is green?( java = an island with green forests )
06:03:02 ticheler: seven: do we have a meeting now?
06:03:06 TylerM: now that seven asked us all to be here.... : )
06:03:08 TylerM: heh
06:03:14 ticheler: lol
06:03:25 tbowden: four minutes late
06:03:39 TylerM: here so far http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing#Agenda
06:03:40 sigq: Title: Marketing Committee - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:04:51 TylerM: While we give him a few minutes...
06:04:52 TylerM: Anyone been dreaming of helping chair the marketing committee?
06:05:18 TylerM: i think it's a really important role for this upcoming year
06:05:26 TylerM: uh oh.. bad sign ;- )
06:05:31 TylerM: i talk and seven leaves
06:05:47 tbowden: oh. what an impact
06:06:01 : * ticheler not for now
06:06:14 ticheler: ah, he recovered from the hit
06:06:30 : * seven had connection problems.
06:06:30 TylerM: personally, i would like to be focusing more on marketing, but am still under the waves of day-to-day admin
06:06:56 tbowden: imho marketing is a specialised job
06:07:11 tbowden: takes lots of time that goes unseen
06:07:13 : * seven reads up on the logs...
06:07:20 TylerM: hi seven !
06:07:26 tbowden: kudos to Arnulf for what he's done
06:07:36 TylerM: nothing in logs about marketing.. no worries
06:07:58 tbowden: I'd like to help out on marketing, but the job
06:08:07 seven: OK.
06:08:08 tbowden: is way too big for one person
06:08:16 seven: So - here are we.
06:08:16 seven: ?
06:08:20 seven: Started already?
06:08:22 TylerM: for sure, it's still a committee though tbowden : )
06:08:24 seven: Rool call.
06:08:27 TylerM: not really, I'm just filling time
06:08:33 seven: Roll call.
06:08:37 seven: or is it role call?
06:08:41 tbowden: real call
06:08:45 seven: Arnulf is here.
06:08:51 TylerM: Tyle rhere
06:08:57 tbowden: TimB here
06:09:04 : * ticheler here
06:09:09 TylerM: ======= Marketing meeting starting ==========
06:09:12 seven: Excellent, thanks you all.
06:09:21 seven: Hey TylerM, nice intro!
06:09:30 seven: Tyler can you take notes?
06:09:31 TylerM: just for the logs : )
06:09:32 TylerM: yup
06:09:36 seven: Good.
06:09:39 seven: First point: OSGeo appearance at FOSS4G
06:09:50 TylerM: I can give an update
06:09:56 seven: Tim is going to do the grunt work! Hooray and kudos.
06:10:07 seven: TylerM: go ahead.
06:10:08 tbowden: did my list of jobs in email make sense
06:10:33 TylerM: I started this page a while ago
06:10:34 TylerM: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_OSGeo_Booth
06:10:35 sigq: Title: FOSS4G2008 OSGeo Booth - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:10:39 TylerM: with a few ideas, etc.
06:10:49 TylerM: and main questions to get answered around the booth anyway
06:10:50 tbowden: looking...
06:11:00 TylerM: not much there yet
06:11:21 : * jmckenna is a booth volunteer
06:11:27 tbowden: logging in to edit...
06:11:30 seven: jmckenna: ++
06:12:03 TylerM: I've been discussing a few things with Ari Jolma too
06:12:18 TylerM: so, he's getting a few critical things together for a local event
06:12:24 TylerM: which he'll re-use for foss4g too
06:12:38 TylerM: e.g. printed banners, some shirts and brochures
06:12:38 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [1208]: Last version of logos <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1208>
06:13:01 TylerM: I'm working on a new basic brochure.. hopefully done it today
06:13:14 TylerM: then at least those things you don't have to worry about tim
06:13:30 tbowden: good. I'll not have a lot of time before
06:13:41 seven: ticheler: Thanks for the logos!
06:13:42 tbowden: Might even be getting there very early Monday morning.
06:13:49 tbowden: still sorting travel
06:14:01 ticheler: seven: pleasure, realise only now I did not commit those before :-(
06:14:05 ticheler: bad me
06:14:10 TylerM: i'm not sure of the timing etc. of the exhibition times either
06:14:47 TylerM: There are two other slightly related items
06:14:49 seven: ticheler: Bad you!
06:14:58 TylerM: I might as well mention them here to see if there are any takers...
06:15:00 : * ticheler is hiding...
06:15:13 tbowden: Too late for me to hide...
06:15:16 TylerM: I'm looking for a host for http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meeting_2008
06:15:17 sigq: Title: Annual General Meeting 2008 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:15:21 : * seven puts her orbital laser blaster bakc into the holster.
06:15:45 TylerM: and also I have an approved presentation slot for an Intro to OSGeo
06:16:00 tbowden: Puts hand up unless someone more appropriate and skilled volunteers...
06:16:03 TylerM: don't all speak at once..
06:16:05 TylerM: heh
06:16:21 seven: I already said that I could do either.
06:16:35 tbowden: Hmmm. Won't have to do everything then...
06:16:41 TylerM: ah okay..
06:16:43 seven: Just tell me what it is and I'll do it if it does not conflict with my other tasks.
06:17:00 tbowden: I'm on full time 24x7 as needed
06:17:06 TylerM: how about seven does the talk and tbowden does the AGM ?
06:17:07 tbowden: well, almost...
06:17:13 seven: Sounds good.
06:17:15 tbowden: k
06:17:22 TylerM: rock on
06:17:27 jmckenna: col
06:17:28 TylerM: thanks a lot!
06:17:29 jmckenna: cool
06:17:40 TylerM: the AGM will take a bit more prep work, but I'll help with that
06:17:48 TylerM: basically just getting people roped into talking
06:17:52 tbowden: yes. it must run smoothly
06:17:59 tbowden: and on time
06:18:11 tbowden: last year showed it can run hours and hours if allowed.
06:18:11 TylerM: and tim will be good, since he won't let the meeting run too late into drinking time
06:18:21 tbowden: lots to be said and done with the opportunity
06:18:32 tbowden: *grin
06:18:47 TylerM: I wasn't too worried about trying to get *everyone* and everything in it for a talk.. so it was a bit more flexible than last year
06:18:53 CIA-30: osgeo: ticheler * r1208 /marketing/logo/OSGeoLogoFIN3.eps: Last version of logos
06:19:19 ticheler: CIA-30 wakes up...
06:19:33 TylerM: seven: I think I already told the organisers you will do the talk. It's just a "Introduction to OSGeo"
06:19:39 TylerM: here is the great long abstract ; ) http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/paper/view/343
06:19:40 sigq: Title: Mitchell ( at conference.osgeo.org )
06:19:45 seven: OK. Do we need to do more here right now for FOSS4G - or can we move on?
06:19:52 seven: Do the rest via email.
06:19:58 tbowden: k
06:20:05 seven: I don't want to interrupt though.
06:20:15 TylerM: i'm good to go
06:20:24 seven: Tim:
06:20:29 seven: budget has been confirmed by the board. it was suggested to not go into detail but set an upper limit.
06:20:41 seven: You will have to spend that money.
06:20:47 seven: sort of...
06:20:49 seven: :- )
06:20:57 tbowden: flights will be abt US$2k
06:21:08 tbowden: will not have trouble spending money <grin>
06:21:27 seven: The flight should be separate to that.
06:21:30 TylerM: will $3k be enough?
06:21:34 seven: If you can do with that only - so much better.
06:21:52 tbowden: what expenses do we anticipate?
06:21:53 TylerM: or, what were you thinking seven ?
06:22:12 seven: tbowden: I suggest you spend some time calculating and checking what you need and then we cont. on the mailing list.
06:22:36 tbowden: k
06:22:38 seven: Reword: tbowden - what expenses do you anticipate.
06:22:43 seven: ?
06:22:49 TylerM: $3k was initially thrown around, but included printing, rental stuff for booth, etc... but I've taken care of some of that already with Ari.
06:22:55 TylerM: yes.. good approach
06:22:57 seven: If you don't know how to start, ask TylerM or me.
06:23:10 TylerM: yup let's talk further after, Tim or tomorrow
06:23:12 tbowden: ok, I'll give it some thought
06:23:24 seven: Excellent.
06:23:43 seven: Now comes my favorite:
06:23:47 seven: "Discuss general Marketing Committee performance"
06:23:47 TylerM: well, time to go
06:23:50 seven: Ahrg.
06:23:54 TylerM: oh .. hehe just kidding : )
06:24:20 TylerM: we'll still be your friends
06:24:21 looser7: Any comments.
06:24:24 tbowden: imho you've done a thankless job well-
06:24:34 tbowden: at least much better than anyone else...
06:24:51 TylerM: i've already been referring to the marketing communications strategy doc for help in messaging and ideas
06:25:01 seven: Good.
06:25:07 TylerM: I think if we can set a couple goals for 2008/2009 we should be good to go.
06:25:08 seven: How can we leverage that doc better?
06:25:14 tbowden: TylerM: link?
06:25:20 seven: Goals is a good first step.
06:25:24 TylerM: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Communication_Strategy_2008
06:25:25 sigq: Title: Marketing Communication Strategy 2008 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:25:27 seven: But I am missing the volunteers.
06:25:32 : * seven is sick of the word.
06:25:37 TylerM: yes..
06:25:41 seven: Hehe.
06:25:46 TylerM: it's a great word.. it doesn't scare anyone away : )
06:25:48 seven: Lets insult all the vounteers a bit.
06:25:56 seven: Will help to get them intersted more.
06:26:03 ticheler: think that with logos and strategy at hand, we can now get some of the suggestions implemented
06:26:05 seven: Well, this strategy won't get us anywehre either.
06:26:09 tbowden: problem is, marketing is so far from code...
06:26:12 TylerM: ha..
06:26:13 seven: ticheler: +1
06:26:17 tbowden: too many fish feel out of water...
06:26:31 : * seven meant her own strategy of insulting volunteers..
06:26:35 TylerM: I'd say the main goal should be to get the printed ( and digital ) material ironed out for 2009
06:26:36 tbowden: logos etc it technical
06:26:41 TylerM: keep our goal simple
06:26:45 ticheler: I think also a professional looking OSGeo flyer should be part of that
06:26:45 tbowden: marketing is humaities...
06:27:06 TylerM: heck, if I have one more suggestion, I'll have to offer to chair the committee
06:27:07 tbowden: humanities rather
06:27:07 seven: Did you read the president's message?
06:27:08 : * ticheler hides for those that have been working on that recently... didn't see what happened
06:27:27 ticheler: TylerM: +1
06:27:47 : * seven almost missed it
06:27:48 TylerM: the main question I'm getting from people is "how can I get some brochures or shirts at XX event"
06:27:50 seven: +1 TylerM
06:27:52 tbowden: seven: tbowden ducks question
06:28:27 TylerM: Psychologically speaking, I think we can think less about "trying" to get to events ( not that we've done too much anyway ; ) )...
06:28:35 TylerM: and think more about getting material into members' hands
06:28:44 seven: TylerM: But that should be OK. I was thinking of a more active type of Marekting.
06:28:46 TylerM: what do you think?
06:28:46 tbowden: or material into industry mags
06:29:07 seven: tbowden: Do you think this makes sense?
06:29:11 TylerM: oh yeah, adverts, columns etc
06:29:15 ticheler: tbowden: think we do great with the geoconnexion articles
06:29:27 TylerM: yeah.. it's great
06:29:31 tbowden: but what about regional mags?
06:29:39 tbowden: They have a big local impact
06:29:43 ticheler: We should make those more readily available once they have been out
06:29:44 seven: We could start spending mone on ads - is that what you are saying?
06:29:53 seven: money
06:30:00 tbowden: I know I've got a local opportunity that I've not used yet. Comes down to time as always...
06:30:01 seven: But if we do, where do we start?
06:30:05 ticheler: discuss with Roger if they can be reprinted in local mags?
06:30:13 seven: We can't just do it for the English speaking ones.
06:30:21 tbowden: I'd not go with too many adds yet
06:30:27 TylerM: would be interesting to look at google adword costs, etc...
06:30:29 tbowden: Mags are screaming for content
06:30:32 seven: And if we try to cover the whole world we don't have the money to do that.
06:30:43 TylerM: still needs some members to write articles
06:30:58 seven: And again - somebody has to coordinate this.
06:31:08 ticheler: seven: english articles can be translated if of interest
06:31:08 TylerM: but at least if we have a ad layout for half a page, etc. it can be available when people want it
06:31:12 seven: TylerM: Oh yeah - I forgot, someone got to write them too.
06:31:32 tbowden: We need an article repo
06:31:34 seven: TylerM: But we should have this already.
06:31:42 ticheler: tbowden: yes
06:31:43 seven: What is preventing us from getting this rolling?
06:31:51 tbowden: time?
06:31:53 TylerM: not much.. except people : )
06:31:55 TylerM: yeah time
06:32:05 : * seven can just not see why it does not work better?!?
06:32:24 seven: OK. So how do we attract people?
06:32:26 TylerM: i want to work with a designer to get some material done up
06:32:32 TylerM: we need professional help
06:32:33 tbowden: Maybe we need to cut the job down
06:32:35 ticheler: TylerM: could the articles be stored in the Books section?
06:32:36 seven: We have some funds to do that.
06:32:48 TylerM: oh, you mean article stuff?
06:32:52 ticheler: yes
06:32:57 TylerM: we started the "library" a while back
06:32:57 seven: Globalize: Do it once, spread it many times.
06:33:06 TylerM: but the same issue as before...
06:33:08 seven: I suggest we have a monthly Press Release.
06:33:13 TylerM: how to have an easy upload place
06:33:20 TylerM: but not get overrun with spammers, etc.
06:33:21 : * ticheler thinks the articles are great, but once printed they kind of get lost
06:33:28 seven: Easy to translate, fully digital and everyone spreads it for free.
06:33:44 TylerM: tweaking a few of the drupal web site tools would be easiest
06:33:45 seven: Put some links in and point them to the articels.
06:33:50 TylerM: yeah
06:33:58 TylerM: that's there already
06:34:01 seven: We need to use the digital tools we have.
06:34:05 seven: OK.
06:34:10 tbowden: Idea: Mag readers are not in the FOSS mindset. If we want to target them, that is where we need to be
06:34:10 TylerM: but then you need permissions on the website to do it :P
06:34:10 seven: SO we need someone to coordinate.
06:34:11 TylerM: sigh
06:34:13 ticheler: TylerM: is there a problem using what you set up for books already?
06:34:15 seven: Not TylerM.
06:34:21 seven: We need him for other stuff.
06:34:38 TylerM: ticheler: same idea is there, yes
06:34:46 TylerM: but it's more general than the books thing
06:34:58 ticheler: So if I log in, can I add articles instead of books?
06:35:15 TylerM: should be able to .. one sec
06:35:20 tbowden: Puts hand up for article coordinator
06:35:23 seven: Yes, it is possible.
06:35:28 seven: tbowden: +1
06:35:31 ticheler: well, the ones published in geoconnexion are in nice pdf form
06:35:50 TylerM: ticheler: you log in, then use Create Content -> Library item i think
06:36:03 seven: tbowden: You just cut down the jobs and grabbed one. Thanks.
06:36:19 ticheler: Should we ask Roger Longhorn if we can store them there?
06:36:20 TylerM: this idea is part of what i had in mind for more community focused tools
06:36:33 TylerM: where as the website is so important to us, I don't like having more "open" tools available there..
06:36:40 TylerM: though that's probably just my own paranoia : )
06:36:55 : * seven should have added this as the last point ot the agenda...
06:36:58 TylerM: heh
06:37:01 tbowden: good to have protection. never know what you might catch
06:37:09 seven: Shall we do the other stuff first?
06:37:23 TylerM: i think we all see some good opportunities : )
06:37:35 seven: I really would like to hear someone step forward as new chair.
06:37:38 TylerM: articles, material/brochures and some collection tools
06:37:51 TylerM: === next item... some sucker volunteers to chair
06:37:56 TylerM: I will gladly do it
06:38:03 ticheler: seven: I will not for now, sorry.
06:38:04 TylerM: I already don't spend enough time doing it : )
06:38:08 seven: Nope, you definitely go enough.
06:38:16 seven: ticheler: OK.
06:38:17 TylerM: will you let me?
06:38:19 tbowden: sorry, not ready for the chair...
06:38:28 TylerM: :D
06:38:37 : * TylerM looks to his bosses for direction
06:39:00 seven: TylerM: If you think this would be a focused place for you - then yes.
06:39:00 TylerM: by the way, if you log in at osgeo.org, you can then go to https://www.osgeo.org/node/add/content-library to add items to the http://osgeo.org/library
06:39:04 sigq: Title: OSGeo Library | OSGeo.org ( at osgeo.org )
06:39:18 TylerM: ticheler: what do you think?
06:39:18 seven: But if is it only that you think you need to fill a role that is left open. Then no.
06:39:25 seven: We do not have to decide right now.
06:39:35 seven: I just want people to develop a perspective.
06:39:39 tbowden: TylerM: looking at the lib. Not been there before.
06:39:52 TylerM: no, i really want to focus more on it.. since it actually gets in the way of my work if marketing fails
06:39:53 TylerM: : )
06:40:01 ticheler: TylerM: on which point? You taking the chair or on the library thing?
06:40:06 TylerM: chair
06:40:11 seven: Excellent.
06:40:13 tbowden: Tyler: lib, sorry!
06:40:14 seven: Then I am in for it.
06:40:28 ticheler: I think its a good idea
06:40:38 seven: I nominate Tyler Mitchell as Chair of the Markting Committee
06:40:43 : * TylerM accepts
06:40:44 TylerM: : )
06:40:44 seven: I nominate Tyler Mitchell as Chair of the Marketing Committee
06:40:49 seven: Cool.
06:40:50 seven: +1
06:40:54 ticheler: I think the marketing deserves more attention
06:40:56 ticheler: +1
06:41:07 tbowden: +1
06:41:09 ticheler: from you TylerM :- )
06:41:23 : * seven beleives that the Chair has to be confirmed by the Board and will bring it up in the next meeting.
06:41:30 seven: Excellent.
06:41:32 tbowden: that shouldn't stop us canvassing for more volunteers though
06:41:33 seven: Thanks a lot!
06:41:40 seven: tbowden: Right on!
06:41:41 TylerM: okay, cool
06:41:43 ticheler: yes, thanks TylerM
06:41:45 seven: Lets insult them some more.
06:41:49 TylerM: Did we already get Tim onto the committee?
06:41:52 seven: Yes.
06:41:57 ticheler: lol
06:41:57 tbowden: seven: works every time
06:42:01 seven: Our "process" is very easy.
06:42:11 ticheler: lololol
06:42:17 TylerM: He spoke more than 5 words in the meeting, I think he is almost chair ; )
06:42:17 seven: Put yourself on the list after someone has twisted your arm to do so.
06:42:27 tbowden: <tim shuts up>
06:42:32 seven: Hehe.
06:42:39 TylerM: he's on there already I see now
06:42:40 TylerM: great
06:42:43 seven: Next item.
06:42:48 seven: "Promote FOSS4G2008 Press Release"
06:42:53 ticheler: almost have to go...
06:43:09 seven: Where do we send it?
06:43:17 seven: Do we make it into an OSGeo Press Release?
06:43:26 seven: or is it just a news item?
06:43:31 TylerM: so we have this page as a reference http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Press_Release_Process
06:43:33 sigq: Title: Press Release Process - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:43:45 TylerM: but it scares people away ; )
06:43:45 tbowden: seven: yes, osgeo release.
06:44:04 seven: ok.
06:44:07 seven: Hehe:
06:44:10 seven: Once initiated, the process will be driven by a member of the Visibility Committee.
06:44:20 seven: Marketing did not even exist then...
06:44:23 TylerM: we can divide up the list of "distribution" points and each submit it
06:44:35 TylerM: or one person can offer to do it
06:44:42 TylerM: it's about an hours worth of time maybe
06:44:45 TylerM: emails, and web forms
06:45:00 TylerM: talking about this list: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Press_Release_Process#Distribution
06:45:01 sigq: Title: Press Release Process - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:45:19 ticheler: Why does the press release say "embargoed"
06:45:21 ticheler: ?
06:45:32 seven: I think it means "do not change any more"
06:45:36 seven: But not sure.
06:45:41 ticheler: ah..
06:45:50 tbowden: ticheler: so it doesn't get published till the release date I think is the idea
06:45:53 TylerM: i've done it once and have also http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Press_Release_Board_2008 to send out
06:45:53 ticheler: thanks for the "unsure"
06:45:53 tbowden: and time.
06:45:54 sigq: Title: Press Release Board 2008 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:46:04 tbowden: eveyone gets it in advance ready to publish
06:46:13 tbowden: at least as far as I'm aware.
06:46:22 tbowden: not been there much before
06:46:26 ticheler: its dated 9 september...
06:46:36 tbowden: ouch
06:46:37 TylerM: and 8th : )
06:46:46 ticheler: yes
06:46:51 tbowden: bug!
06:47:42 TylerM: i'm already late on the board one :/
06:47:49 TylerM: but at least I can change the date : )
06:47:54 ticheler: seven: logo is uploaded now. Do I have to request for any changes or output formats?
06:48:09 ticheler: or can we / someone work with these/
06:48:14 tbowden: lost link for the release ( too many ff windows open ). anyone?
06:48:18 ticheler: ?
06:48:21 TylerM: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Press_Release
06:48:22 sigq: Title: FOSS4G2008 Press Release - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:48:28 seven: ticheler: Yes, we can use them.
06:48:30 tbowden: TylerM: thks
06:48:46 seven: ticheler: I will try to produce other formats and let you know.
06:48:56 seven: I had some trouble with green.
06:48:57 ticheler: OK, TylerM that also means that part of the contract with Birgit can be closed
06:49:00 tbowden: embargoed should have a date and time on it
06:49:02 ticheler: if it wasn't already
06:49:10 tbowden: so ppl know when it can be released
06:49:15 TylerM: it has been closed.. 2nd payment made already
06:49:28 seven: The only one who can say that is Gavin.
06:49:30 ticheler: TylerM: thanks!
06:49:39 ticheler: seven: colors are here: http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1208
06:49:39 TylerM: she'll let me know if not ; )
06:49:40 sigq: Title: Changeset 1208 - OSGeo - Trac ( at trac.osgeo.org )
06:49:45 seven: ticheler: OK.
06:49:53 ticheler: oops, wrong URL
06:50:00 ticheler: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee#Logo_updates
06:50:01 sigq: Title: Marketing Committee - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:50:20 ticheler: ok, have to go...
06:50:24 TylerM: seven: trouble with green?
06:50:31 TylerM: ticheler: okay, see you later thx ticheler
06:50:37 seven: bye ticheler
06:50:42 ticheler: ciao, see you later
06:50:42 tbowden: bye
06:50:47 TylerM: First can I check, is this a good meeting to for everyone in the future?
06:50:54 seven: Yes, the green was 0 255 0
06:50:54 TylerM: err meeting time
06:50:56 ticheler: seven: do you let me/us know when the board meeting is exactly?
06:50:57 tbowden: fine for me
06:51:05 TylerM: ugh.. yeah bad green
06:51:31 ticheler: TylerM: yes, good time, although earlier is even better :- )
06:51:41 ticheler: or another day
06:51:48 TylerM: ticheler: normal time would exactly two days from now at this hour
06:52:00 TylerM: For official colours I go here:
06:52:02 TylerM: http://www.osgeo.org/logos
06:52:04 sigq: Title: OSGeo Logo: Usage, History, and Downloads | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org )
06:52:05 ticheler: ciao
06:52:07 TylerM: then follow link to "Branding Guide"
06:52:11 TylerM: http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo/logos/OSGeo_logo_guide.pdf
06:52:22 TylerM: it's the old logo but there is a list of the CMYK and RGB colours
06:52:36 TylerM: on page 12
06:52:52 TylerM: we have only two colours, with an optional third
06:52:59 TylerM: Green and light green
06:53:01 tbowden: problem with the colours when it's done in stitch work on blue shirts
06:53:12 TylerM: oh no, really?
06:53:18 : * seven is sorry, she has to leave right now!
06:53:25 tbowden: we cheated when we got our buisness shirts done
06:53:27 TylerM: okay. you go.. we'll close up in a minute : )
06:53:32 tbowden: bye...
06:53:34 : * seven will read up in the logs. Sorry again.
06:53:40 TylerM: thanks seven ! keep your chin up : )
06:53:53 TylerM: tbowden: usually they like Pantone numbers for that stuff
06:53:55 tbowden: we needed to darken up the colours slightly for the contrast with the blue
06:54:03 TylerM: oh okay
06:54:22 TylerM: it was a lightish blue?
06:54:26 tbowden: Tyler: we didn't have the pantone at the time ( I don't think )
06:54:37 tbowden: TylerM: mid blue, typical business shirt
06:54:49 tbowden: The green that worked best was deep bottle green
06:54:51 TylerM: i'd love to see some pics from that event
06:55:03 tbowden: will see what I can get.
06:55:11 TylerM: I went through a bunch of other options yesterday at the monogram shop
06:55:27 TylerM: we agreed that black and white were almost the only options..
06:55:29 tbowden: the default greens were too light to stand out for the shirts we had
06:55:31 TylerM: of course, without changing color
06:55:38 tbowden: it was all done in a bit of a rush
06:55:44 tbowden: didn't change it much though
06:55:50 TylerM: cool
06:55:50 tbowden: I know it's a big sin
06:55:54 TylerM: ha
06:56:06 TylerM: the fact that you did the shirts instead of me is a revolution! : )
06:56:10 TylerM: one i'm happy to see heh
06:56:34 tbowden: we got the money from local sponsors, and did a rush job
06:56:50 tbowden: problem with black and white is there are four colours in the logo
06:57:01 TylerM: it was great to watch that progress.. i was on the list at the time
06:57:12 TylerM: well, the logo is now only 2 colour!!
06:57:33 tbowden: Ok, problem solved for next time!
06:57:39 TylerM: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/OSGeo/JPEG/
06:57:40 sigq: Title: Revision 1208: /marketing/logo/OSGeo/JPEG ( at svn.osgeo.org )
06:57:56 TylerM: part of the reason for doing the logo improvements this year, was to make reproduction a bit easier
06:58:15 tbowden: TylerM: I can only open 34565654 ff windows at once.
06:58:17 TylerM: the embroidery shop had a little trouble sometimes with the others
06:58:32 TylerM: tbowden: what are you doing, using windows or something? ;- )
06:58:52 tbowden: HAH!
06:59:10 tbowden: More a problem of finding the one I want.
06:59:20 TylerM: buffer overflow... too much work being done! reducing productivity to suitable redmond levels...
06:59:29 tbowden: can only hold so many in my head
06:59:29 tbowden: like about 5!
06:59:43 tbowden: hah!
07:00:10 TylerM: any more questions about booth or anything?
07:00:23 TylerM: we can talk in email further of course
07:00:53 tbowden: apart from what the prof is bringing, what are we expecting to need?
07:01:11 TylerM: some software demos ??
07:01:18 TylerM: hmmm
07:01:20 tbowden: oh.
07:01:31 tbowden: hardware for the demos?
07:01:44 tbowden: I have a spare laptop, but it's very old
07:01:52 tbowden: :-(
07:02:06 TylerM: i don't know enough about the conference venue, but I had hoped we could just rent one
07:02:13 TylerM: from them
07:02:23 TylerM: I don't have a good exhibitor package from them yet :(
07:02:47 TylerM: I can send some annual reports I printed too.. but don't have any info for how to send stuff
07:02:48 tbowden: at suitably exorbitant prices I imagine
07:02:53 TylerM: yeah, sure..
07:03:08 tbowden: Can Gavin take delivery for now?
07:03:10 TylerM: i thought they'd be all over me looking for business, but not yet
07:03:27 TylerM: I'm hesitant since i'm sure he's swamped
07:03:38 TylerM: see, i just enjoy making things complicated ; )
07:03:48 TylerM: to your hotel would work I guess : )
07:04:02 tbowden: tight timing
07:04:14 tbowden: else send them to me here and I bring them
07:04:20 tbowden: but that's a last resort
07:04:32 tbowden: Don't want to carry too much stuff
07:04:37 TylerM: right
07:04:44 TylerM: i really don't have much to send now, though
07:04:50 TylerM: so i'm feeling good : )
07:04:51 tbowden: might work then
07:05:08 TylerM: i don't want to overwhelm Ari either .. though he is offering
07:05:17 TylerM: don't worry about it for now..
07:05:22 tbowden: he has a heap to carry anyway
07:05:31 tbowden: problem for next week
07:05:45 TylerM: except we can ask gavin about laptop rental or borrowing from one of the partners there
07:05:57 TylerM: hey, what do you think about this for the booth...
07:06:04 TylerM: we can plan some VIP appearances too, so people can come at a certain time and meet certain folks
07:06:06 tbowden: big screen? or is that a bit amitious
07:06:17 tbowden: yes!
07:06:29 TylerM: programmers or even whole teams
07:06:38 TylerM: or board members, etc.
07:06:51 : * TylerM won't start a list at risk of offending ;- )
07:06:51 tbowden: And I'd like to arrange to do interviews fairly heavily
07:07:14 tbowden: egos are made for bruising.
07:07:18 TylerM: something like.. come be on Tuesday at 2pm and meet OSGeo President.. etc
07:07:21 tbowden: I'm happy to take the fall on that
07:07:30 TylerM: i'll add the idea to the booth page
07:07:54 TylerM: so make sure you hit 'watch this page' on here http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_OSGeo_Booth
07:07:55 sigq: Title: FOSS4G2008 OSGeo Booth - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
07:08:00 TylerM: ( warning - URL ahead )
07:08:04 TylerM: heh
07:08:26 TylerM: +1 to a bigger presentation screen
07:08:26 tbowden: oh, more ff grief
07:08:46 TylerM: Again, not sure what the venue has to offer..
07:08:56 tbowden: can we get a grass flyby and an openlayers/mapguide thing going?
07:08:59 TylerM: and watch http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meeting_2008 too
07:09:00 sigq: Title: Annual General Meeting 2008 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
07:09:20 : * TylerM waits for FF to bluescreen
07:09:47 tbowden: nah, I've got 64mb ram, it can do it!
07:10:07 tbowden: I just get lost though
07:10:51 TylerM: if you don't have the same page open 5 times, you aren't truly working
07:11:16 tbowden: Hah, that happens so often!
07:11:35 tbowden: not sure what it says about my state of mind though
07:11:53 tbowden: Do we know what sort of bandwidth we have, and how reliable it is?
07:12:07 tbowden: Don't want a repeat of the ip probs from Vic
07:12:30 TylerM: tbowden: i haven't the slightest clue..
07:12:51 TylerM: i'm sure it's been on the list but i tend to ignore those issues
07:13:41 TylerM: so, if we've learned anything, it is to have offline demos ready too : )
07:13:42 tbowden: edited the wiki
07:13:55 tbowden: learned that one before
07:14:18 TylerM: even have a simple repeating slideshow with images and descriptions is better than a dead monitor
07:14:30 tbowden: noted
07:14:49 TylerM: oh yeah.. there's a fun ossimplanet video.. i'll put a link to it on the wiki page
07:15:48 tbowden: I'm going to assume we don't get optimal bandwidth
07:15:56 tbowden: I'd rather get a pleasant surprise
07:15:56 TylerM: really clueless on that one
07:16:20 tbowden: I'll search for the info, it's sure to be somewhere
07:16:32 TylerM: nhv or mlucas: howdy.. can you point me to the ossimplanet video you did up?
07:16:58 TylerM: probably good for now tbowden?
07:17:17 TylerM: do you have an instant messaging app I can add you to?
07:17:25 TylerM: or is email best?
07:17:39 tbowden: mostly email, hardly use im
07:17:39 nhv: http://ossim.telascience.org/ossimdata/Movies/ossimPlanet.mov 181M
07:17:50 TylerM: ah - i see the link now )
07:17:51 TylerM: : )
07:17:54 tbowden: nhv: thanks
07:17:54 TylerM: great thanks!!
07:18:11 TylerM: it's fun because it has sound ; )
07:18:21 tbowden: cool
07:18:28 nhv: there is a no sound version if you prefer
07:18:40 tbowden: TylerM: will email about finance details
07:18:50 tbowden: nhv: sound is good
07:18:56 tbowden: can always turn it down
07:18:58 nhv: cool
07:19:44 TylerM: tbowden: I move to close the marketing meeting :- )
07:19:54 TylerM: heh
07:20:17 tbowden: closed for me!
07:20:25 TylerM: ======= meeting ended ==========
07:20:33 TylerM: carry on, people, nothing to see here...
07:20:43 TylerM: tbowden: so email is the best for you?
07:20:48 TylerM: ah okay i see now : )
07:20:49 tbowden: oh, now what have I got myself into. Smacks self on head
07:20:59 tbowden: TylerM: mostly email is good
07:21:11 TylerM: great
07:21:19 tbowden: not normally on irc. moves too fast for my slow brain
07:21:27 TylerM: he
07:21:28 TylerM: heh
07:21:41 TylerM: i'm always on.. my brain needs the stimulation to stay awake
07:21:57 TylerM: .. though it's getting a bit chilly now and that helps keep me alert : )
07:22:19 TylerM: i don't think our tomatoes are going to ripen before the frost :[
07:23:02 TylerM: catch you later tbowden - thanks for coming in
07:23:07 tbowden: starting to warm up here. Not too /long/ before we have a few overnight mins of 20+ deg C
07:23:10 tbowden: bye..
07:23:25 TylerM: we're getting down to 2-3C at night now
07:23:32 TylerM: but still up to 20 in day
07:23:53 TylerM: the plants all have this apprehensive look on their faces
07:23:58 : * TylerM goes for breakfast
07:24:01 tbowden: 25c is about right for the day. Nice
07:24:04 tbowden: enjoy..
08:11:50 spsneo: where is testbaudson?
08:12:04 spsneo: _wolf_: hello
08:21:05 TylerM: tbowden: by the way, this channel is usually really quiet.. except for meetings like earlier.
08:21:11 TylerM: hi spsneo
08:21:33 spsneo: TylerM: hi
11:23:12 CIA-30: osgeo: ticheler * r1208 /marketing/logo/OSGeoLogoFIN3.eps: Last version of logos
11:23:13 CIA-30: osgeo: tmitchell * r1209 /marketing/brochures/ ( 4 files in 2 dirs ): starting a simple foldable brochure
11:23:14 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [1209]: starting a simple foldable brochure <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1209>