| 09:59:35 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1210]: more work on the brochure <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1210> |
| 22:03:02 | CameronShorter: | Hello, anyone here to talk about LiveCD? |
| 22:03:16 | shansen: | yep, I'm here |
| 22:03:40 | wildintellect: | yes |
| 22:03:49 | vmische: | yes |
| 22:04:05 | TylerM: | I shouldn't be : ) |
| 22:04:05 | fvanderbiest_: | Yes, hi all |
| 22:04:07 | CameronShorter: | wildintellect, what is your name? |
| 22:04:12 | wildintellect: | Alex |
| 22:04:32 | TylerM: | it's too late for us older folks Alex ;- ) |
| 22:04:32 | CameronShorter: | and fvanderbiest_ ? |
| 22:04:45 | wildintellect: | TylerM, its only 11pm PST |
| 22:04:47 | fvanderbiest_: | François Van Der Biest, from Camptocamp |
| 22:04:57 | CameronShorter: | Ah, excellent. |
| 22:05:28 | CameronShorter: | ok, shall we start by describing what we each have done, are planning to do with LiveCD. |
| 22:05:53 | wildintellect: | is anyone here representing the Ominiverdi? |
| 22:06:13 | CameronShorter: | At LISAsoft, we want to push the packaging of GeoFOSS as we see this as an important part of promoting GeoFOSS. |
| 22:06:33 | CameronShorter: | And a LiveCD is a stepping stone and a product of this. |
| 22:06:43 | : | * jsanz is reading interested |
| 22:07:07 | CameronShorter: | So we have started by getting our hands dirty, trying to pick something that we can achieve. |
| 22:07:45 | TylerM: | I don't see anyone from ominiverdi logged in here |
| 22:07:46 | CameronShorter: | We'd like to get a LiveCD to FOSS4G 2008. ( Not sure how it will be distributed yet ). |
| 22:08:04 | CameronShorter: | TylerM, are you able to ping them? |
| 22:08:04 | TylerM: | Anyone who has stuff like this, could have it handed out at the OSGeo booth |
| 22:08:18 | fvanderbiest_: | Wow, that's pretty soon now ... |
| 22:08:22 | TylerM: | no, all offline as far as i can tell |
| 22:09:12 | jsanz: | yep, we're at 8AM, I can phone ominoverde on your behalf if you want |
| 22:09:16 | jsanz: | : ) |
| 22:09:24 | CameronShorter: | Yes, we have built a simple java based LiveCD, based on Debian/Ubuntu |
| 22:09:48 | CameronShorter: | Thanks please jsanz |
| 22:10:52 | CameronShorter: | I'm not sure what the process would be for printing CDs to hand out at foss4g. |
| 22:11:19 | mleslie: | We can ask Tim to do that : ) |
| 22:11:43 | CameronShorter: | Would be good if we could find a CD printer in SA. |
| 22:12:20 | TylerM: | jsanz: that'd be good to at least SMS spam him |
| 22:12:54 | wildintellect: | Any suggestions for a wiki page on the topic - I'm writing notes on wiki.osgeo |
| 22:13:04 | jsanz: | TylerM: that's i've done, calling him at 8:00 could be a little bit unpolite... :- ) |
| 22:13:18 | CameronShorter: | There is a wiki already, let me see where ... |
| 22:13:43 | wildintellect: | I found a page about binary dist, but that not the same thing |
| 22:14:04 | CameronShorter: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Distribution_Special_Interest_Groups |
| 22:14:04 | jsanz: | at gvsig we maintain a livedvd for teaching with postgres, geoserver, deegree, geonetwork and so on |
| 22:14:05 | sigq: | Title: Distribution Special Interest Groups - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 22:14:32 | CameronShorter: | jsanz, that sounds good. |
| 22:14:45 | CameronShorter: | Is there an English version? |
| 22:14:58 | jsanz: | mmm i think not, but i'm not sure |
| 22:15:07 | mleslie: | Lets see, Ominiverde has QGIS, GRASS, PostGIS, GDAL and R. |
| 22:15:23 | fvanderbiest_: | At Camptocamp, we very recently produced a liveCD with MapGuide OS inside. It's based on Ubuntu. |
| 22:15:25 | mleslie: | Merging the two would almost cover everything. |
| 22:15:29 | jsanz: | argg gvsig page is down :( |
| 22:16:09 | TylerM: | i think it is international 404 week or something |
| 22:16:26 | shansen: | our livecd has postgres/gis, geoserver and gvsig so far. |
| 22:16:55 | shansen: | our = LISAsoft |
| 22:17:20 | CameronShorter: | shansen is one of our developers at LISAsoft working on it. |
| 22:17:47 | fvanderbiest_: | Merging the 3 efforts, plus some other packages ( I'm particularly thinking of an ETL such as Spatial Data Integrator ) would give people a wide perspective about what can be done with free soft |
| 22:18:19 | CameronShorter: | Right. How much can we merge together by FOSS4G 2008? |
| 22:18:31 | fvanderbiest_: | that's the point ;- ) |
| 22:18:47 | CameronShorter: | Ie, we have 2 weeks. |
| 22:18:54 | CameronShorter: | And we should have 1 week for testing. |
| 22:19:03 | TylerM: | Maybe for this month you pick the "best so far" distribution and focus on making it a bit better? ?? |
| 22:19:04 | wildintellect: | how much customization was required to get the apps installed and do you have debs |
| 22:19:04 | mleslie: | And that assumes some really quick printing. |
| 22:19:05 | jsanz: | there will be gvsig people there ( not me ) to talk about that |
| 22:19:27 | fvanderbiest_: | SDI has never been put on a liveCD, so I'll have to check with our guys at C2C if it's feasable, and if we have time to. |
| 22:20:09 | CameronShorter: | Are all distributions based on debian? |
| 22:20:13 | wildintellect: | it's seems like most of the discs are ubuntu variants |
| 22:20:14 | jsanz: | gvsig livedvd was intented to teach gvsig and SDI, it has WMS,WFS,WCS,CSW,WFS-G... |
| 22:20:42 | CameronShorter: | LISAsoft is debian based. |
| 22:20:42 | fvanderbiest_: | OK, what I meant by SDI is http://www.spatialdataintegrator.com/ |
| 22:20:43 | sigq: | Title: Download Spatial Data Integrator Powered by Talend ( at www.spatialdataintegrator.com ) |
| 22:20:50 | jsanz: | ahh :- ) |
| 22:21:17 | wildintellect: | what's the gvsig one based on? |
| 22:21:25 | jsanz: | i'm asking the maintainer |
| 22:21:30 | vmische: | LISAsofts cd is debian based but not with debian packages for everything ( like geoserver ) |
| 22:21:33 | jsanz: | i'll try to get im here |
| 22:21:48 | TylerM: | jsanz: who is it? |
| 22:22:09 | TylerM: | just curious |
| 22:22:19 | jsanz: | i think you don't now him, he is from IVER: jose vicente higón |
| 22:22:28 | : | * TylerM crashes.. have a great day folks |
| 22:22:37 | jsanz: | current distribution is based on knoppix |
| 22:22:40 | CameronShorter: | night TylerM |
| 22:22:50 | jsanz: | but he's planning to pass to ubuntu |
| 22:24:07 | CameronShorter: | ok, I propose that we base our combined liveCD on ubuntu |
| 22:24:08 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 22:24:13 | wildintellect: | +1 |
| 22:24:15 | fvanderbiest_: | +1 |
| 22:24:24 | mleslie: | +1 |
| 22:24:57 | jsanz: | any reason to not use xubuntu? |
| 22:25:15 | jsanz: | one of the problems we had at our distro was to remove programs to have place for geodata |
| 22:25:23 | vmische: | +1 |
| 22:25:30 | fvanderbiest_: | what about a liveDVD then ? |
| 22:26:04 | mleslie: | My reason for not using xubuntu is simply that I haven't. I'm not aware of a compelling reason. |
| 22:26:18 | wildintellect: | it runs faster from a live disc |
| 22:26:21 | jsanz: | some places don't have DVD, in fact we moved some DVD players to Cuba |
| 22:26:24 | wildintellect: | less resource intensive |
| 22:26:35 | shansen: | LISASsoft's LiveCD is in fact a LiveDVD.... |
| 22:26:35 | CameronShorter: | I'm open to xubuntu. |
| 22:26:36 | vmische: | i think it doesn't really matter, you can get rid of any packages you want/install any packages you want |
| 22:26:40 | wildintellect: | and smaller footprint |
| 22:27:04 | jsanz: | actually, ominiverdi are using xubuntu |
| 22:27:05 | wildintellect: | as far as the applications go it won't matter either except for making sure the menu is populated |
| 22:28:23 | CameronShorter: | vmiche, shansen, do you see any problems if we switch our build process to xubuntu? |
| 22:28:25 | mleslie: | How many livecd's do we have represented here? fvanderbiest, jsanz, shansen and ominiverde in absentia by my count |
| 22:28:35 | mleslie: | Two are xubuntu... |
| 22:28:47 | wildintellect: | 4 according to my notes |
| 22:28:48 | fvanderbiest_: | Ours is based on Ubuntu |
| 22:29:05 | mleslie: | and two ubuntu. Hmm... |
| 22:29:10 | fvanderbiest_: | but no pb to switch to another ... |
| 22:29:29 | mleslie: | Same for us really. Better to switch sooner than later. |
| 22:29:44 | mleslie: | Though shansen may disagree : ) |
| 22:30:09 | CameronShorter: | ok, I revise previous proposal to base upon xubuntu: |
| 22:30:11 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 22:30:13 | jsanz: | well I think it would be reasonable to listen ominiverdi guys |
| 22:30:16 | wildintellect: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc |
| 22:30:17 | sigq: | Title: Live GIS Disc - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 22:30:36 | fvanderbiest_: | I like gnome because it has a clean "look and feel", but i guess the same could be achieved on xubuntu ... |
| 22:30:51 | wildintellect: | yes xubuntu is pretty clean |
| 22:30:57 | fvanderbiest_: | ok |
| 22:31:01 | wildintellect: | I ran it as my main for a while |
| 22:31:04 | jsanz: | at foss4g some guys went with a xubuntu vmware .... |
| 22:31:11 | jsanz: | mmmm pgrouting let me see |
| 22:31:33 | jsanz: | foss4g2007, sorry |
| 22:31:36 | wildintellect: | the best idea actually is to take the ubuntu image and drop the gnome for xubuntu |
| 22:31:47 | wildintellect: | that way you get better default apps |
| 22:31:59 | wildintellect: | but faster lighter image |
| 22:32:35 | CameronShorter: | ok, for the next, more complicated question: What build process are people using? |
| 22:33:00 | CameronShorter: | How can we all synchronise and use the same images? |
| 22:33:23 | wildintellect: | we might need a common repo |
| 22:34:06 | vmische: | i used live-helper ( for creating debian cds, but it can also be used for ubuntu cd ). it can be easily automated once you know which files/packages you want have on your cd |
| 22:34:06 | fvanderbiest_: | +1 |
| 22:34:19 | CameronShorter: | a svn repository, ftp server, all log into the same osgeo machine? |
| 22:34:50 | vmische: | pro: you have only a list of packages, you don't need to store the packages itself, con: if packages break your cd is broken |
| 22:35:33 | jsanz: | I've no idea about livecd producing but will love to see a common dvd repo, maybe it should let create some kind of "profiles" to customize the package list |
| 22:36:35 | CameronShorter: | jsanz, custom building sounds cool, but out of scope for 2008. |
| 22:36:41 | jsanz: | sure |
| 22:36:46 | wildintellect: | http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 |
| 22:36:47 | sigq: | Title: reconstructor - home ( at reconstructor.aperantis.com ) |
| 22:37:07 | vmische: | with live-helper you could easily have what ever desktop env you'd like to have, just change package lists |
| 22:37:15 | CameronShorter: | FrankW has offered an OSGeo ftp server that we can use for images. |
| 22:37:29 | vmische: | live-helper is out of scope for 2008 but should be the longterm solution imho |
| 22:38:10 | mleslie: | vmische: agreed |
| 22:38:14 | CameronShorter: | Ok, so how to we make our 2008 image? |
| 22:38:39 | wildintellect: | maybe this is a good idea http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-linux-mint-livecd-with-remastersys |
| 22:38:40 | sigq: | Title: Creating Your Own Custom Ubuntu 7.10 Or Linux Mint 4.0 Live-CD With Remastersys | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials ( at www.howtoforge.com ) |
| 22:39:08 | shansen: | or this: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-customize-your-ubuntu-live-cd |
| 22:39:09 | sigq: | Title: How-To: Customize your Ubuntu Live CD | Debian/Ubuntu Tips & Tricks ( at www.debuntu.org ) |
| 22:39:50 | CameronShorter: | I'm relying on techies to answer this question ( I haven't done this myself ). |
| 22:40:02 | fvanderbiest_: | For our LiveCD, I think we followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization |
| 22:40:03 | mleslie: | I would think we need to publish and compare notes. We have four disks, and it's likely that the process to produce them are not all compatible within 1 week. |
| 22:40:04 | sigq: | Title: LiveCDCustomization - Community Ubuntu Documentation ( at help.ubuntu.com ) |
| 22:40:09 | jsanz: | i asked chevi ( gvsig livedvd maintainer ) to comment how our distro is done |
| 22:40:13 | wildintellect: | for the short term, the one I selected can be done by booting a vm installing one of the current cds adding packages and then generating a new iso |
| 22:40:32 | chevi: | Hi, I've remastered some live-dvd |
| 22:40:44 | chevi: | including mapserver, geoserver, geonetwork |
| 22:40:46 | chevi: | gvsig |
| 22:40:50 | chevi: | and so on |
| 22:40:55 | jsanz: | CameronShorter: here you have our techie : ) |
| 22:41:18 | chevi: | for make that, I have two script |
| 22:41:47 | chevi: | the first one dump a live dvd into the filesystem |
| 22:41:47 | jsanz: | chevi, how many versions of the gvsig livedvd has been produced? |
| 22:42:05 | chevi: | with chroot I've changed the distro |
| 22:42:46 | CameronShorter: | chevi, do you have an English version of the liveCD? |
| 22:42:51 | chevi: | I've done a lot, always with knoppix 5.1 but would like to change to ubuntu |
| 22:43:26 | chevi: | yes, I do |
| 22:43:31 | CameronShorter: | chevi, can you change to ubuntu before foss4g2008. Ie, you have about a week before we test. |
| 22:43:35 | mleslie: | That sounds like our process. |
| 22:44:30 | chevi: | I can try it |
| 22:45:05 | CameronShorter: | Actually, that is a question for all? Who is able to put time into building a live CD for 2008, which means an intensive upcoming week? |
| 22:45:25 | CameronShorter: | At LISAsoft, we can put one resource toward it. |
| 22:45:39 | fvanderbiest_: | probably not us ... but i'll ask |
| 22:46:01 | CameronShorter: | wildintellect? |
| 22:46:20 | tbowden: | Hi all. Sorry I couldn't be here for the whole liveCD thing... and I'm going to be off line again soon but I'd like to go through the logs later to see what's happened |
| 22:46:30 | wildintellect: | I've got 2 days I can help on |
| 22:46:55 | wildintellect: | what day does the conf start? |
| 22:47:11 | CameronShorter: | tbowden, you want to think about how we can print some CDs for 2008 in SA? |
| 22:47:24 | tbowden: | yes, I'll look into it |
| 22:47:26 | CameronShorter: | 29 Sept |
| 22:47:45 | tbowden: | if it's ready real soon, I may be able to get some done in time |
| 22:47:46 | wildintellect: | I have at least 4 days to help then |
| 22:47:47 | CameronShorter: | Monday fortnight. |
| 22:48:50 | tbowden: | Sorry if this has already been covered, but can we do a second disk with source code? |
| 22:48:51 | CameronShorter: | I think we have 7 days to build something 4 days test. 3 days burn CDs. |
| 22:49:17 | tbowden: | Will take more than 3 days if we want to get it duplicated professionally |
| 22:49:25 | CameronShorter: | tbowden, we could, but I suggest we don't. |
| 22:49:26 | tbowden: | with cd artwork |
| 22:49:47 | mleslie: | We don't? |
| 22:49:51 | tbowden: | maybe links to the code from a livecd web page then |
| 22:50:13 | tbowden: | might be easier, and the page could be ref'd from the cd desktop |
| 22:50:32 | CameronShorter: | Yes, links will be fine. I don't think people will use the source code from a CD. Anyone serious will go online to get it. |
| 22:50:57 | tbowden: | So long as we clearly point to the versions of code being used on the cd. |
| 22:51:02 | CameronShorter: | Ok, lets try and wrap up in the next 15 mins. |
| 22:51:15 | tbowden: | not just a licensing issue, but practicality for those wanting to go further |
| 22:51:21 | mleslie: | tbowden: We are legally required to do so, under L?GPL. |
| 22:51:34 | tbowden: | yes, we are. |
| 22:51:48 | fvanderbiest_: | Guys, I'm sorry I have to leave. We keep in touch ... |
| 22:51:49 | tbowden: | also make files etc |
| 22:51:49 | CameronShorter: | Can I have suggestions on how we do our development. |
| 22:51:56 | fvanderbiest_: | I'll read the logs. |
| 22:52:15 | CameronShorter: | ok, thanks fvanderbiest_ |
| 22:52:15 | wildintellect: | I'm converting the conversation over to the wiki |
| 22:52:30 | wildintellect: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc |
| 22:52:31 | sigq: | Title: Live GIS Disc - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 22:52:42 | mleslie: | For now, I think we need to decide on a single existing CD ( most featureful ) and work to add the missing bits. |
| 22:53:48 | CameronShorter: | which CD should we start with? |
| 22:53:53 | mleslie: | If we grab Ominiverdes, we can replicate our Java goodness onto it. But we lack GeoNetwork ATM. Shouldn't be terrible to add. |
| 22:54:00 | tbowden: | I'll see what duplicating facilities we may be able to use in SA. Might give us a bit more time |
| 22:54:01 | mleslie: | MapGuide is the other MIA. |
| 22:54:02 | chevi: | I'll try to make a ubuntu live-dvd, then I'll share my work with you. Unfortunatelly I don't have enough time to do it before the conferences |
| 22:54:04 | wildintellect: | well if we want xubuntu, how about the omini? |
| 22:54:04 | jsanz: | mleslie: +1 |
| 22:54:41 | jsanz: | if they only lack the java stack, maybe we can help them |
| 22:54:47 | mleslie: | fvanderbiest had the MapGuide cd didn't he. Damn. |
| 22:54:47 | CameronShorter: | chevi, we were planning to use xubuntu rather than ubuntu. |
| 22:55:05 | wildintellect: | course we need to solve why I can't log in to the ominiverdi |
| 22:55:17 | wildintellect: | it's not supposed to password prompt but it does |
| 22:55:20 | tbowden: | Should be easy to move from xubuntu to Ubuntu later if anyone needs anyway |
| 22:55:25 | mleslie: | Yes, I saw that. That could be a killer :( |
| 22:55:40 | wildintellect: | tried it on vmware, virtualbox and a laptop |
| 22:55:43 | wildintellect: | same results |
| 22:55:43 | tbowden: | Oh. Not so good... |
| 22:56:03 | mleslie: | Frankly, we'll still be farther ahead if we start with the one they released last year. |
| 22:56:08 | tbowden: | Which release of xubuntu? Sorry if I missed it |
| 22:56:12 | wildintellect: | 8.04 |
| 22:56:15 | tbowden: | good |
| 22:56:34 | CameronShorter: | What services do we need to share our work? |
| 22:56:35 | wildintellect: | we can bump it after FOSS4G since 8.10 is in oct |
| 22:56:39 | CameronShorter: | Do we need svn? |
| 22:56:48 | tbowden: | good to go now. Will check the logs later |
| 22:56:50 | mleslie: | Not for the conference. |
| 22:57:07 | tbowden: | rather got to go. Same result... |
| 22:57:23 | CameronShorter: | We have a wiki, lets all of us describe the process that we are following in that wiki. |
| 22:57:44 | CameronShorter: | Then hopefully we should produce the same thing. |
| 22:57:52 | mleslie: | It might be fastest just to pass images around. |
| 22:57:54 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 22:58:24 | jsanz: | chevi, can you write down on the wiki a summary of the process and a description of the distro? |
| 22:58:24 | mleslie: | If we grab Ominiverds and through our bits on, pass it to fvanderbiest to add MapGuide, we're done. |
| 22:58:34 | CameronShorter: | Frank/Tyler have already offered to provide an OSGeo ftp server which we can use to pass images. |
| 22:58:48 | mleslie: | jsanz: I do want to see your process though. |
| 22:58:49 | wildintellect: | omini should be on downloads.osgeo.org already |
| 22:59:56 | CameronShorter: | Ok, and the wiki should describe how to build from scratch? |
| 23:00:11 | mleslie: | It would be nice to get agreement from Ominiverde first : ) |
| 23:00:45 | CameronShorter: | We should move off the osgeo discuss email list. I suggest we all join the debian osgeo email list. |
| 23:01:39 | CameronShorter: | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-general |
| 23:01:40 | sigq: | Title: Pkg-grass-general Info Page ( at lists.alioth.debian.org ) |
| 23:01:48 | vmische: | cameron do you mean the debian-gis list? |
| 23:02:15 | CameronShorter: | vmische, yes. |
| 23:04:17 | CameronShorter: | ok, I think we have made a lot of progress today. |
| 23:04:21 | jsanz: | ops, finally gvsig page is up, http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=1992&L=0&K=1 |
| 23:04:46 | chevi: | jsanz, I'll send you my notes about how to create a live dvd with knoppix 5.1 including gvSIG, mapserver, geoserver, geonetwork, postgis, ... |
| 23:04:54 | jsanz: | cool |
| 23:04:56 | CameronShorter: | Lets all contribute our findings to this wiki http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc |
| 23:04:57 | sigq: | Title: Live GIS Disc - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 23:05:14 | CameronShorter: | chevi, might be worth copying to the wiki above. |
| 23:05:24 | jsanz: | CameronShorter: i'll try to have gvsig dvd stuff there asap |
| 23:05:26 | CameronShorter: | or referencing from the wiki |
| 23:06:33 | wildintellect: | anyone else have links to their current live project? |
| 23:06:54 | chevi: | yes, I'll do it ( or jsanz ) |
| 23:07:23 | CameronShorter: | LISAsoft hasn't released yet. We will merge ours into the joint CD. |
| 23:07:46 | mleslie: | shansen: can you post our process thus far to the wiki? |
| 23:07:54 | shansen: | sure |
| 23:08:00 | CameronShorter: | Ok, thanks everyone for coming. |
| 23:08:54 | CameronShorter: | I suggest we hang out in #osgeo to touch base as we go. |
| 23:09:07 | CameronShorter: | and communicate of the email list. |
| 23:09:18 | CameronShorter: | bye. |
| 23:09:26 | shansen: | bye |
| 23:10:29 | chevi: | I'm going to suscribe into the mailing list. Bye |
| 23:10:37 | jsanz: | see you |
| 23:40:59 | doktoreas: | hello everybody |
| 23:41:16 | jsanz: | hi doktoreas |
| 23:41:41 | jsanz: | you arrive late to a nice chat about livedvd |
| 23:41:50 | doktoreas: | yeah sorry |
| 23:42:23 | doktoreas: | a really busy night |
| 23:43:00 | doktoreas: | have you finished? |
| 23:46:03 | doktoreas: | Anyone can send me the log of the discussion? |
| 23:51:28 | jsanz: | mmm ok |
| 23:52:04 | jsanz: | http://logs.qgis.org/osgeo/%23osgeo.2008-09-11.log |
| 23:52:05 | sigq: | Title: IRC Log - #OSGEO ( at logs.qgis.org ) |