| 01:30:39 | Eclesia: | hello |
| 01:31:31 | Eclesia: | I would like to contact thoses working on official CITE tests : http://cite.geoenterpriselab.com/teamengine |
| 01:31:32 | sigq: | Title: Welcome ( at cite.geoenterpriselab.com ) |
| 01:31:55 | Eclesia: | there is "huge" problem on the WMS test |
| 01:32:10 | Eclesia: | It keeps tests wms services using CRS = "CRS:84" |
| 01:32:26 | Eclesia: | which is not a valid EPSG crs |
| 01:32:46 | Eclesia: | I guess it should at least by 4326 ... |
| 01:32:52 | sevenof9: | Eclesia: You chould go to the OGC, the most direct contact is probaly Raj Singh. |
| 01:32:53 | Eclesia: | be* |
| 01:33:24 | Eclesia: | you mean the IRC channel ? |
| 01:33:26 | sevenof9: | The whole EPSG CRS issue is a lot more complex and confusing as it appears and the OGC is working hard on resolving it. |
| 01:33:38 | sevenof9: | Ah no, I don't think that the OGC is quick on IRC... |
| 01:34:19 | sevenof9: | For a start you might want to read this: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Axis_Order_Confusion |
| 01:34:21 | sigq: | Title: Axis Order Confusion - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 01:34:44 | sevenof9: | But it needs an update. Maybe I get around to adding the latest info during FOSS4G. |
| 01:35:03 | Eclesia: | sevenof9: thanks but I'm a GIS developer already, making a 2D rendering engine, I'm aware of all thoses problesm |
| 01:35:05 | sevenof9: | The OGC has prepared a manifesto to help solve this probloem. |
| 01:35:19 | sevenof9: | Eclesia: Sorry, did not want to offend you. |
| 01:35:40 | Eclesia: | my concern is just to fix the CITE test so that they stop using this stupid "CRS:84" |
| 01:35:44 | sevenof9: | But I am think the manifesto is not done yet - means it is not publically available. |
| 01:35:47 | sevenof9: | Hehe. |
| 01:36:23 | sevenof9: | If you look into this stupid CRS:84 - it actually tries to solve the underlying problem of axis order switching by correctly specifying it. |
| 01:36:39 | : | * sevenof9 slowly backs off. |
| 01:37:52 | Eclesia: | so you say this "CRS:84" is something "normal" ? |
| 01:38:56 | Eclesia: | I havent seen it the specification, and it's also the first time I see this. It really looks like a mistake |
| 01:49:33 | Eclesia: | sevenof9 : did I afraid you ? :D |
| 03:00:36 | crschmidt: | Eclesia, who is gone, "Yes, that's normal" |
| 07:02:58 | ticheler: | darkblue_B: are you involved in the LiveDVD? |
| 07:04:52 | darkblue_B: | hello tichel |
| 07:05:00 | ticheler: | hi |
| 07:05:06 | darkblue_B: | yes, I am testing it a bit |
| 07:05:21 | darkblue_B: | I'm downloading the new rev |
| 07:05:24 | ticheler: | I'm absolutely new to this :- ) |
| 07:05:50 | ticheler: | how does the DVD deal with temporary files and so on? |
| 07:05:57 | darkblue_B: | I use PostGIS and the ogr tools, so I am looking at that part |
| 07:06:03 | darkblue_B: | its a RAM disk, I believe |
| 07:06:19 | darkblue_B: | though I am no expert |
| 07:06:22 | ticheler: | should directories that need write access be configured in a particular way? |
| 07:06:24 | ticheler: | ok |
| 07:06:59 | darkblue_B: | it must behave as a standard file system, after it is all started up |
| 07:07:14 | darkblue_B: | .. so permissions would be just the same |
| 07:07:16 | ticheler: | so I shouldn't have to worry about that!? |
| 07:07:35 | darkblue_B: | I have not tried to create a liveCD, so I dont know about that side of it |
| 07:07:45 | darkblue_B: | there are some links on the Wiki page |
| 07:07:54 | darkblue_B: | are you going to make some additions? |
| 07:08:39 | ticheler: | I hoped to do that, although I'm struggling more than I hoped :- ) |
| 07:09:28 | darkblue_B: | ah yes |
| 07:10:22 | darkblue_B: | did you see the info links at wiki osgeo Live_GIS_Disc ? |
| 07:10:56 | ticheler: | yes, but should read more carefully I'm sure... |
| 07:11:17 | darkblue_B: | thats about all I can offer... have another meeting in 20 minutes |
| 07:12:48 | ticheler: | np |
| 07:13:09 | ticheler: | off for the weekend |
| 07:14:57 | tbowden: | if you look at mount while running the live disk maybe you can see what dir's are rw? |
| 07:50:45 | : | * TylerM waves |
| 07:57:33 | bitner: | hi TylerM |
| 07:57:38 | TylerM: | hi bitner |
| 07:57:43 | bitner: | should we all try to do the wave around the world |
| 07:57:48 | : | * bitner raises arms |
| 07:57:54 | bitner: | someone east of MN should go next |
| 08:04:17 | tbowden: | keeps my hands down for now. Too far east. |
| 08:05:48 | : | * milovanderlinden raises arms |
| 08:05:55 | bitner: | woo hoo |
| 08:06:09 | milovanderlinden: | next should be someone east of the Netherlands |
| 08:06:36 | milovanderlinden: | germany? |
| 08:06:39 | milovanderlinden: | russia? |
| 08:06:54 | milovanderlinden: | I think tbowden will be next! |
| 08:08:34 | tbowden: | Raises both hands and waves enthusiastically |
| 08:09:54 | tbowden: | Around the world in four hops I think. |
| 08:09:56 | TylerM: | _wolf_ missed his chance to put finland on the map |
| 08:45:18 | TylerM: | rhkfin: by the way, out of the 54 subscribers on the foss-gps list.. i only recognise 3-4 names! |
| 08:45:24 | TylerM: | should be great for meeting new faces : ) |
| 08:46:00 | TylerM: | wow - 54 subscriptions in less than a day : ) |
| 08:48:08 | tbowden: | Already some interesting intros on the list ( says me lurking there ) |
| 08:49:01 | TylerM: | tbowden: yeah, no kidding |
| 08:49:24 | TylerM: | oh, you know, we have an auto-unsubscribe for users that don't write within 1 day ;- ) haha |
| 08:49:48 | tbowden: | Oh good, might solve my osgeo list vortex problem |
| 08:49:59 | rhkfin: | TylerM: heh : ) Yes, It's cool to see that people are interested! |
| 08:50:23 | rhkfin: | TylerM: Hmm.. that sound's bad! But there's still many hours time to fix it :9 You do it? |
| 08:50:52 | TylerM: | hah - just kidding : ) but don't tell tbowden that ; ) |
| 08:59:54 | TylerM: | rhkfin: I hope you saw that it was just a joke : ) |
| 09:02:47 | tbowden: | Joke? Heck, I was relying on that to save me! |
| 09:03:10 | TylerM: | be careful tim, or i'll run the "password reminder" script.. and fill your inbox : ) |
| 09:04:07 | : | * TylerM wonders how many installations of mailman are used for evil |
| 09:13:45 | tbowden: | Ah, try as you may, I've already got a filter that handles mailman reminders. Already get way too many! |
| 09:15:03 | TylerM: | dang.. |
| 09:15:10 | TylerM: | i'll just have to start telephoning you |
| 09:15:18 | tbowden: | lol |
| 09:15:42 | jasonbirch: | We've got an account with an emergency dial-out service that I might be able to re-purpose... |
| 09:16:01 | tbowden: | me dives for cover... |
| 09:20:34 | rhkfin: | TylerM: that's mean : ) |
| 09:20:57 | TylerM: | you don't know tim ; ) |
| 09:21:26 | TylerM: | hi mlucas - will anyone from OSSIM be at foss4g? |
| 09:24:31 | tbowden: | I'm always up for a bit of trouble... |
| 09:27:22 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #292 ( task created ): Permissions on download.osgeo.org for MapGuide project <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/292> |
| 09:29:27 | mlucas: | tylerm, not that I'm aware of |
| 09:29:51 | mlucas: | I had a conflict this year |
| 09:39:31 | tbowden: | Anybody know if there is video available from past FOSS4G's? Some of the hightlights might make for good content at the FOSS4G booth this year |
| 09:41:59 | jgarnett: | There was video from 2006 |
| 09:42:04 | jgarnett: | ( I recall the cameras ) |
| 09:42:34 | tbowden: | Yes, but what happened to the content? |
| 09:42:58 | tbowden: | did it ever see the light of day, or is it waiting for someone to edit it? |
| 09:52:34 | TylerM: | tbowden: sitting on dvds beside me : ) |
| 09:52:58 | tbowden: | Ah, the culprit has beem found! |
| 09:53:13 | tbowden: | or been as the case may be |
| 09:53:51 | tbowden: | Send em ( Cape Town ), and I'll see what I can do in idle moments. |
| 09:53:55 | tbowden: | or a copy rather |
| 09:53:58 | TylerM: | never had anyone volunteer to remix them : ) |
| 09:54:07 | TylerM: | i think it'd be faster for me to upload the iso somewhere.. |
| 09:54:16 | tbowden: | never done it before, but what the heck |
| 09:54:45 | tbowden: | I'll grab em then. Probably take a hdd full of stuff there if I can. |
| 09:55:21 | TylerM: | that's the trouble with these things :/ new tech, limited bandwidth, bad tools.. lots space.. sigh |
| 09:55:21 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #292 ( task closed ): Permissions on download.osgeo.org for MapGuide project <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/292#comment:3> |
| 09:55:33 | TylerM: | i chased my tail for a bit longer than I should have |
| 09:56:04 | tbowden: | Will we be getting vids from CT? |
| 09:56:58 | TylerM: | haven't slightest clue |
| 09:57:08 | TylerM: | but if you want to rent a video camera for interviews at the booth.. go for it |
| 09:57:29 | tbowden: | k. sounds like a winner |
| 09:57:31 | TylerM: | i simply found i didn't have enough time to use it though |
| 09:57:45 | TylerM: | it was last-minute without a plan :/ |
| 09:57:54 | TylerM: | I think the camera scared some people away ; ) |
| 09:58:21 | tbowden: | hmmm. Never done vid production before. Have to learn real quick... |
| 09:58:41 | TylerM: | i was trying an online streaming tool.. but barely was useful |
| 09:58:45 | TylerM: | maybe now it is better : ) |
| 09:59:04 | TylerM: | it was nice, theoretically, to be able to stream to web instead of having to save to PC |
| 09:59:10 | tbowden: | I'll look into what I can do. |
| 09:59:27 | tbowden: | Streaming is hard. Have to have all the ducks lined up. |
| 09:59:38 | tbowden: | baby steps first for me |
| 09:59:51 | TylerM: | this one used a cool little flash or java applet |
| 10:00:32 | tbowden: | does our new conf software handle vids easily? |
| 10:00:52 | tbowden: | proly a question for the relevant propeller head... |
| 10:02:59 | TylerM: | not really a function of the software |
| 10:03:25 | TylerM: | so, probably no : ) I know the software inside out if you have questions. |
| 10:04:05 | TylerM: | but its customisable |
| 10:06:00 | tbowden: | Problem for later today. Time for sleep. Bye all. |
| 10:06:05 | TylerM: | cya |
| 17:45:54 | darkblue_B: | wildintellect: hello |
| 17:47:55 | wildintellect: | darkblue_B, hello - saw your email, been out of town for a few days |
| 17:48:23 | darkblue_B: | no worries |
| 17:48:38 | darkblue_B: | I have the a4 DVD running in the Sun VirtualBox VM |
| 17:48:43 | darkblue_B: | works well :- ) |
| 17:48:46 | wildintellect: | I'm actuall booting the liveDVD in vmware right now |
| 17:49:05 | wildintellect: | so far so good |
| 17:49:10 | darkblue_B: | you'll see python 2.5.2 is there |
| 17:49:34 | darkblue_B: | GEOS and such.. so shapely perhaps? |
| 17:50:16 | darkblue_B: | I wonder if the python bindings for ogr are there... |
| 17:51:07 | wildintellect: | hmm, depends what version of ogr too |
| 17:51:35 | wildintellect: | since there are old and new style bindings |
| 17:52:00 | darkblue_B: | 1.5.0 |
| 17:52:02 | wildintellect: | but yes my plan is to start figuring out how to move the python stack into the image |
| 17:52:20 | wildintellect: | maybe we can make it a California chapter project |
| 17:52:51 | wildintellect: | my goal is to add that by mid november for this thing we do called GIS Day |
| 17:52:57 | darkblue_B: | ah so |
| 17:53:03 | darkblue_B: | thats reasonable |
| 17:53:11 | wildintellect: | it was invented by ESRI, but I plan to co-opt it here at UCD |
| 17:53:24 | darkblue_B: | we have something like that at Berkeley |
| 17:53:37 | darkblue_B: | BAAMA does it |
| 17:53:41 | wildintellect: | I'm sure its the same thing |
| 17:53:57 | wildintellect: | some of my collegues plan to make an OSgeo poster for it too |
| 17:54:10 | darkblue_B: | so what do you call the 'python stack' ? |
| 17:55:27 | wildintellect: | ogr bindings, anything listed on the PCL trac site - so shapely, Wordmill etc, Tilecache and featureserver |
| 17:55:46 | darkblue_B: | Wordmill... havent heard of that |
| 17:55:56 | wildintellect: | its an alternative to ogr |
| 17:55:57 | darkblue_B: | I use FeatuerServer.. |
| 17:56:08 | wildintellect: | http://trac.gispython.org/lab |
| 17:56:09 | sigq: | Title: PCL - Trac ( at trac.gispython.org ) |
| 17:56:11 | darkblue_B: | cant say I've actually done much with shapely |
| 17:56:35 | wildintellect: | oops world not word |
| 17:57:16 | wildintellect: | I've only been playing with it recently, but I've been using other stuff from the group for a while |
| 17:57:24 | wildintellect: | they hang out on #zco |
| 17:58:39 | darkblue_B: | simplejson, psycopg2 |
| 17:59:27 | wildintellect: | I should probably start making a list |
| 17:59:33 | wildintellect: | on the wiki |
| 17:59:55 | darkblue_B: | aha.. good idea |
| 18:00:21 | darkblue_B: | I have gdal-1.5.0 as an egg |
| 18:00:29 | darkblue_B: | so that should be easy |
| 18:01:01 | darkblue_B: | numpy for the gdal people |
| 18:01:07 | darkblue_B: | I dont actually use it |
| 18:01:09 | darkblue_B: | so far |
| 18:02:26 | wildintellect: | ah cool, I just compiled it myself recently but eggs would be good |
| 18:02:36 | wildintellect: | did you upload it to pypi? |
| 18:03:13 | darkblue_B: | nope.. |
| 18:03:21 | crschmidt: | wildintellect: er, it's on PyPi... |
| 18:03:29 | crschmidt: | has been sicne 1.5 was released, no? |
| 18:03:40 | crschmidt: | that was howard's big thing |
| 18:04:01 | wildintellect: | hmm, I don't remember if I looked before I built it myself |
| 18:04:01 | crschmidt: | windows eggs, macos eggs... |
| 18:04:32 | darkblue_B: | crschmidt: what other python things do you think should be on the OSGeo Live DVD? |
| 18:05:17 | : | * crschmidt has no idea |
| 18:05:30 | crschmidt: | Depends entirely on the target audience |
| 18:06:08 | darkblue_B: | well some made noises about the difffernce between developers and GIS users |
| 18:06:14 | darkblue_B: | but to me, thats not so clear |
| 18:06:30 | darkblue_B: | I come from beng a sfwr developer, and I think of tools as ways to make things |
| 18:06:38 | darkblue_B: | I would think that there are others like that |
| 18:06:50 | crschmidt: | You're not a representative sample, in my opinion |
| 18:06:52 | darkblue_B: | I dont see it as GIS users.. really |
| 18:07:09 | wildintellect: | I'm a gis user, who doesn't get how you really do GIS analysis without scripting |
| 18:07:17 | darkblue_B: | well, whats representative in a quickly changing world? but ok |
| 18:07:29 | darkblue_B: | aha |
| 18:08:05 | wildintellect: | I originally got into VB/VBA in Arc years ago and jumped to python maybe 4 years ago |
| 18:09:07 | wildintellect: | from the perspective of my school's graduate level program, most of the students who focus on GIS start programming at some point |
| 18:09:52 | wildintellect: | sure there are plenty of others who just use what they're given, but having a disc that demos what can be done tends to help jump start |
| 18:10:17 | wildintellect: | especially now that ArcGIS can read/write PostGIS |
| 18:10:49 | darkblue_B: | I have *heard* of that... I havent *seen* t |
| 18:11:56 | crschmidt: | It is my opinion that it is hard to meet the needs of a developer in GIS without them needing to install more stuff, unless you're trying really hard to shove everything in |
| 18:12:04 | crschmidt: | It's much easier to concentrate on the things that demo well |
| 18:12:20 | crschmidt: | and putting those together in a coherent vision can allow you to 'draw people in' ... such that they *want* to go out and get more software |
| 18:12:39 | crschmidt: | I would personally put 'prettiest examples first' in building a Live-disk |
| 18:12:54 | darkblue_B: | pretty python scripting corner... |
| 18:13:34 | wildintellect: | I agree, for programmers the best thing is examples of what the software could do, and for GIS users - showing that it's not that hard to use, install, configure |
| 18:13:56 | darkblue_B: | well from another angle, I would like to think that wildintellect has a point about scripting being fair game |
| 18:14:43 | wildintellect: | if I wanted to target programmers, I'd be suggesting OSSIM and all the C++ api docs for that and QGIS |
| 18:15:24 | darkblue_B: | well thats a handfull! |
| 18:15:38 | darkblue_B: | I am not sure anyone from OSSIM is going to FOSS4G |
| 18:15:44 | darkblue_B: | I thought I saw that go by |
| 18:16:14 | darkblue_B: | programming means Java for a lot of operations |
| 18:16:21 | darkblue_B: | C++ is really sfwr development! |
| 18:16:31 | darkblue_B: | ( thats what i did in a previous life ) |
| 18:17:11 | darkblue_B: | and I havent done any Java in this life |
| 18:17:25 | darkblue_B: | just python.. which brings it full circle ;- ) |
| 18:17:43 | wildintellect: | so I'd say lets rank the possible add-ons into priority groups based on what's easiest to get into and most useful to GIS users learning to script |
| 18:18:02 | darkblue_B: | sure.. thats pragmatic |
| 18:19:51 | wildintellect: | ogr is pretty common, and I think shapely is pretty cool for basic operations, not to mention the only PCL component that easily installed on my machine |
| 18:20:30 | wildintellect: | then featureserver and tilecache are just tools people really should see in action |
| 18:20:37 | wildintellect: | those would be my top pikcs |
| 18:20:38 | wildintellect: | picks |
| 18:20:45 | darkblue_B: | sounds good |
| 18:21:35 | darkblue_B: | there is a live apache running on it right now |
| 18:22:09 | wildintellect: | yup, and geoserver which we could borrow a WMS from for tilecache |
| 18:23:26 | wildintellect: | oh and featureserver relies on ogr bindings for shapefiles |
| 18:24:22 | darkblue_B: | sure |
| 18:24:33 | darkblue_B: | openlayers is embedded in the geoserver |
| 18:25:32 | darkblue_B: | in /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps/geoserver/... |
| 18:46:49 | wildintellect: | darkblue_B, don't forget to add your testing results to the wikipage |
| 18:47:37 | darkblue_B: | well, this time.. things went pretty well :- ) |
| 18:47:45 | darkblue_B: | I am not sure found anyhting that didt work |
| 18:47:54 | darkblue_B: | a2 was screwy |
| 18:48:16 | darkblue_B: | I guess I can mention the Sun VirtualBox |
| 18:48:23 | darkblue_B: | its a free download |
| 18:51:02 | wildintellect: | I almost hosed a machine on friday trying to install VirtualBox without following instructions |
| 18:51:16 | wildintellect: | but yes a good deal |
| 18:54:21 | darkblue_B: | yow! well I got the .deb from the site for vbox 2 |
| 18:54:24 | darkblue_B: | worked fine for me |
| 18:55:19 | wildintellect: | ah I think I used the repo for some reason I setup on one machine and forgot what I did |