| 00:34:16 | doktoreas: | CameronShorter, do you think it's possible to get a liveDVD copy by mail ? |
| 00:34:37 | doktoreas: | I wanna keep a copy with full cover :D |
| 00:35:14 | tbowden: | doktoreas: Will you be at FOSS4G? You can get one there if so |
| 00:35:23 | doktoreas: | nope :( |
| 00:35:42 | tbowden: | Hmmm. Do we need a mailout program? |
| 00:37:03 | doktoreas: | don't know.. |
| 00:37:12 | tbowden: | Know anyone from home who's going? |
| 00:37:27 | doktoreas: | I can ask Markus to get one.. |
| 00:37:38 | doktoreas: | tbowden, are you from LisaSoft too? |
| 00:37:43 | tbowden: | No |
| 00:37:57 | tbowden: | Perth, Australia |
| 00:38:02 | tbowden: | other side of the country |
| 00:38:26 | tbowden: | Maybe we can give some to local chapters for distribution |
| 00:39:39 | doktoreas: | for sure, we can make an "official release" |
| 00:39:46 | doktoreas: | CameronShorter, what do you think? |
| 00:53:48 | tbowden: | doktoreas: Cameron's proly on his way home atm. That time of day here. |
| 00:54:10 | doktoreas: | ok |
| 01:44:33 | tbowden: | Anyone here looking for accommodation @ foss4g? I may have a spare bed or two. |
| 02:38:32 | milovanderlinden: | anyone here with mapserver knowledge? It is ooh soo quiet on the mapserver channel |
| 03:31:54 | rhkfin: | I changed the foos-gps list setting 'reply-to' from 'author' to 'list' so when you press reply button it replies to the list, not the original author. |
| 07:48:33 | mloskot: | TylerM: I've just created new userid - aloskot. My sister will post to the webcom mailing list soon. |
| 07:48:43 | TylerM: | great |
| 07:48:52 | TylerM: | log in once to drupal too |
| 07:49:01 | mloskot: | I've logged, works |
| 08:19:39 | rhkfin: | TylerM: 14:33 < rhkfin> I changed the foos-gps list setting 'reply-to' from 'author' to 'list' so when you press reply button it replies to the list, not the original author. |
| 08:20:11 | TylerM: | whatever you need rhkfin : ) |
| 08:22:25 | rhkfin: | : ) |
| 09:55:55 | ominoverde: | CameronShorter: ping |
| 10:08:06 | tbowden: | ominoverde: CameronShorter is likely deep in slumber land. 4.08am at his end. I think he forgot to sign off for the night. |
| 10:08:25 | ominoverde: | thank you Tim |
| 10:08:27 | ominoverde: | :- ) |
| 10:09:52 | tbowden: | btw, anyone editing the live dvd? any bug fixes etc in the last 24 hrs? |
| 10:10:30 | ominoverde: | that was my question too |
| 10:10:51 | ominoverde: | we've seen a couple of bugs with doktoreas and would love to contribute |
| 10:12:07 | tbowden: | As far as I know, nothing has been since CameronShorter uploaded last, but I'm not 100% sure. Most likely ok to go ahead, particularly as we don't have long left. |
| 10:12:21 | darkblue_B: | some python additions would be great.. and harmless |
| 10:12:37 | tbowden: | such as? |
| 10:12:52 | ominoverde: | there's a lot of little things to do but we are happy anyway with the job as this ( very happy ) |
| 10:12:53 | darkblue_B: | the GDAL egg for one |
| 10:13:00 | darkblue_B: | yes, its great |
| 10:13:31 | ominoverde: | we've updated the Wiki page anyway |
| 10:13:37 | darkblue_B: | shapely |
| 10:13:42 | ominoverde: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Testing |
| 10:13:43 | sigq: | Title: Live GIS Disc - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 10:14:03 | tbowden: | I've got a copy, but not yet had time to test. I should, as I'm planning to use it to load the OSGeo FOSS4G booth PC |
| 10:14:28 | darkblue_B: | there was discussion of just making the windows binaries into a 2nd product |
| 10:14:32 | ominoverde: | then you should to avoid surprises ;- ) |
| 10:14:51 | darkblue_B: | .. keeping the LiveCD for LiveCD things that can run |
| 10:14:55 | tbowden: | I hate surprises under time pressure ;- ) |
| 10:14:57 | FrankW: | tbowden: What will we have for a PC in the booth at FOSS4G? |
| 10:15:03 | ominoverde: | that could be great, it took me 24 hours to download the iso |
| 10:15:13 | darkblue_B: | there is FrankW to speak for himself ( ! ) |
| 10:15:34 | tbowden: | FrankW: I'll check |
| 10:15:55 | FrankW: | If we have a windows PC available, I'd like to be able to show off OSGeo4W a bit in the booth. |
| 10:17:11 | tbowden: | HP desktop PC with Dual Core 2.8, 1Gb RAM, 250Gb HDD, XP Pro, Office. Will be dual booting with the LiveDVD installed. |
| 10:17:28 | tbowden: | You're welcome to demo on it anytime. |
| 10:17:50 | FrankW: | But you are planning to have it booted on the live dvd most of the time? |
| 10:18:10 | tbowden: | mostly, yes. |
| 10:18:24 | tbowden: | but depends on demand. It's there as a service to be used as needed |
| 10:18:27 | ominoverde: | virtualBOX can help to have multiple sessions |
| 10:18:48 | FrankW: | Ideally I'd love to have two machines, side by side, one running linux and one windows. |
| 10:19:06 | FrankW: | To sort of demonstrate we serve on both platforms ( to make it really visually clear to passers by ). |
| 10:19:09 | tbowden: | I'll have two laptops there. Both bunty. |
| 10:19:41 | tbowden: | but not as permanent display machines |
| 10:19:50 | FrankW: | ok |
| 10:20:01 | tbowden: | btw, you see my mail re; accommodation? |
| 10:20:05 | FrankW: | I'd take my crappy old windows laptop but it is pretty underpowered. |
| 10:20:35 | FrankW: | yes, I just read it. |
| 10:20:41 | tbowden: | My old lappy is celeron with 256 ram, but it runs bunty 8.10 ok without too much eye candy |
| 10:22:40 | tbowden: | ominoverde: Have to look at virtualBOX. |
| 10:22:54 | ominoverde: | I recomend it |
| 10:23:01 | darkblue_B: | I also |
| 10:23:04 | ominoverde: | but not with 256 mb or ram |
| 10:23:19 | darkblue_B: | .. to put on a modern machine |
| 10:23:25 | ominoverde: | don't even try to use gvSIG with that ammount of RAM |
| 10:23:59 | tbowden: | Ouch. We had an option for a spec'd up PC, but it cost waaay toooo much. |
| 10:24:16 | tbowden: | That's the price of using a conf tech supplier I guess. |
| 10:24:21 | ominoverde: | :- ) |
| 10:24:37 | darkblue_B: | with all due respect tbowden, RAM has been cheap for a long time now.. its not really worth talking abot a 25kmb machine, execept in a 3rd world situation |
| 10:24:42 | tbowden: | How much ram does gvSIG love? |
| 10:25:10 | tbowden: | It's just my old lappy. I'm only bringing it for shits and giggles. Might come in handy |
| 10:25:19 | tbowden: | if it fits in my luggage. |
| 10:25:43 | tbowden: | Agree about the ram though. I never get less than 2GB nowadays. |
| 10:26:06 | tbowden: | I'm thinking of trying some network abuse... |
| 10:26:06 | ominoverde: | gvSIG, if I'm not wrong, has problems with low memory and big files |
| 10:26:12 | tbowden: | of the nice type |
| 10:26:37 | : | * ominoverde love gvSIG, btw |
| 10:26:40 | tbowden: | will the Dual Core 2.8, 1Gb RAM hire PC do justice to it? |
| 10:26:53 | ominoverde: | ;- ) |
| 10:27:05 | ominoverde: | do you have another to send to me? |
| 10:27:30 | darkblue_B: | on another topic FrankW, I met one of the authors of Oracel spatial yesterday.. and will see him again this evening most likely |
| 10:27:59 | darkblue_B: | .. he now works for Navteq.. |
| 10:28:12 | FrankW: | darkblue_B: Cool |
| 10:28:26 | darkblue_B: | they use Oracle for their db of the world, I beleve |
| 10:28:37 | FrankW: | Well, that would be a serious dataset. :- ) |
| 10:28:46 | darkblue_B: | yes :- ) |
| 10:28:58 | darkblue_B: | I wll tug on his ear about environment and carbon markets |
| 10:29:14 | darkblue_B: | but I could toss anyhting else his way, too, if it suited your purpose |
| 10:29:27 | FrankW: | Nothing really comes to mind. |
| 10:31:47 | tbowden: | We can upgrade the booth PC to HP 7800, 2Gb Ram, 250Gb HDD, GeForce 7800 512Mb graphics with dual output ( HD and VGA ) if anybody wants to contribute $ to the outrageous price they want for it. |
| 10:32:16 | ominoverde: | how much? |
| 10:32:17 | FrankW: | I think we can stick with the more modest configuration. |
| 10:32:30 | tbowden: | though I'm expecting what we have will cover most needs |
| 10:33:17 | tbowden: | ominoverde: R 720.00 ex VAT per day, which includes the 24" monitor that we're getting already |
| 10:33:56 | : | * ominoverde never paid in R in his life :-P |
| 10:36:46 | tbowden: | currently paying R490/day, ex VAT. If you think you can take advantage of the bigger beast, you'll need to produce your credit card ;- ) |
| 10:37:28 | darkblue_B: | I can write to my computer reuse list and see of there are any allies in Capetown |
| 10:37:45 | : | * ominoverde jealous of his credit card |
| 10:38:05 | ominoverde: | darkblue_B: +1 |
| 10:38:41 | tbowden: | We've already booked and paid for what we have |
| 10:39:05 | tbowden: | but if anyone wants to put another beast in the booth, I can't see a problem |
| 10:39:45 | jasonbirch: | Do they charge you per power outlet as well? : ) Conference centres suck... |
| 10:40:20 | : | * FrankW contemplates submitting a bid to hold FOSS4G 2010 in his basement... |
| 10:40:47 | tbowden: | I believe we get one or two. Extensive use of power boards called for I think. |
| 10:40:53 | darkblue_B: | yeah, I am not a good planner |
| 10:41:05 | darkblue_B: | but I'm writing now anyway |
| 10:43:04 | tbowden: | FrankW: not sure if you're basement charges enough to compete with the conf centres ;- ) |
| 10:43:40 | FrankW: | I'm just wishing for simplier days and smaller events. |
| 10:44:28 | FrankW: | I think I may purchase a windows laptop on the way to SA. I've had the itch for a while. |
| 10:45:11 | tbowden: | FrankW: What? Can't understand that one. Sorry. |
| 10:45:12 | tbowden: | Live DVD: Is anyone in Cape Town testing the DVD? |
| 10:45:49 | : | * ominoverde testing but will not be in Cape Town |
| 10:46:18 | tbowden: | Our duplicator is a little concerned about how long it will take him to download 1.8GB. If there is anyone on the ground already downloading it ( or has a suitably fast connection there ) that would save a little time. |
| 10:46:24 | FrankW: | tbowden: I'm not sure which part you didn't understand. The windows laptop was so I'd have something to demo OSGeo4W on in the booth ( and demo theatre ). |
| 10:47:05 | tbowden: | FrankW: Oh, ok. Just poking a bit of fun. Not used windows for so long I can't remember what it's like now. |
| 10:47:29 | FrankW: | Windows is the cross I bear for the sake of all the folks using it. |
| 10:47:55 | tbowden: | Yes, you carry that one with admirable dignity I must say. |
| 10:48:56 | : | * jmckenna will have my macbook with an xp VM at the booth |
| 10:50:00 | FrankW: | Ah, cool. That will help. |
| 10:50:12 | tbowden: | Live DVD: It's not a big problem getting it downloaded locally. atm I'm planning on dropping it off when I get there, but that means the deadline is < 24 hours to have the final uploaded. |
| 10:50:32 | tbowden: | Hadn't though of that when I suggested you blokes do more edits... |
| 10:50:56 | FrankW: | jmckenna: did all the workshop PC imaging go fine? Did someone test out the OSGeo4W environment? |
| 10:51:55 | jmckenna: | FrankW: we had to give back the 2 machines before we were fully done, so graeme and i will be doing lots on sunday :( |
| 10:52:20 | FrankW: | ouch |
| 10:52:36 | FrankW: | Depending on how long the board meetings go, I might be able to help for several hours. |
| 10:52:38 | jmckenna: | ouch is right, as i arrive off the plane that morning |
| 10:52:43 | tbowden: | If you need any dumb labour, I'll be there from Friday AM and am free to help with anything that needs doing. |
| 10:53:04 | jmckenna: | great frank, that would help. oh good tim |
| 10:53:42 | : | * dpatton waves from a safe distance at those who will be doing "the PC setup" at FOSS4G 2008 |
| 10:53:58 | jmckenna: | : ) |
| 10:54:56 | danmo: | when is the PC setup happening? I arrive on Friday night and could give a hand on Saturday or Sunday if needed ( hopefully not both full days ) |
| 10:55:49 | tbowden: | I need to pick up a video camera for OSGeo use for the booth. Anyone got any pointers ( says Tim who's not sure if there are any locals here )? |
| 10:56:10 | tbowden: | The AV conf suppliers can only do high end professional stuff, with a price to match. |
| 10:56:58 | jmckenna: | danmo: i think it is happening on sunday, but i will get exact time from graeme. it might mean that all of sunday is machine setup, install and testing. but hopefully not |
| 10:57:38 | danmo: | Keep us posted if you need help |
| 10:58:07 | jmckenna: | danmo: great i will for sure. i'd rather not miss the AGM |
| 10:58:21 | : | * danmo thought the AGM was only on Thursday |
| 10:58:33 | jmckenna: | oh, been at these too much ha |
| 10:58:41 | jmckenna: | ur right. sigh |
| 10:58:45 | danmo: | it is Thursday http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meeting_2008 |
| 10:58:46 | sigq: | Title: Annual General Meeting 2008 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 10:59:10 | danmo: | ping TylerM |
| 11:02:11 | danmo: | Do folks think that the Quebec local chapter which is still in formation ( not approved by the board yet ) should be represented at the AGM or not? ( i.e. just to tell people that a Quebec Chapter is in the process of being formed, what its goals are, etc. ) |
| 11:02:33 | jmckenna: | yes of course! |
| 11:02:37 | tbowden: | Yes. Without a doubt. |
| 11:02:51 | tbowden: | Add it to the wiki, and you're good to go. |
| 11:03:24 | tbowden: | Even the sniff of the possibility of a chapter is justification enough |
| 11:03:30 | danmo: | I was hesitant because it's not official yet, but you seem to think that it's better spread the news early... so I'll do it then |
| 11:04:13 | tbowden: | Heck, the Aust-NZ chapter is not yet official, but we've got the '09 conf so I don't think that counts for too much |
| 11:04:24 | danmo: | : ) |
| 11:05:46 | danmo: | Quebec chapter added to the list in the wiki |
| 11:06:57 | TylerM: | danmo: yes - please do it! |
| 11:07:03 | TylerM: | all chapters were invited |
| 11:07:06 | TylerM: | forming or not |
| 11:11:13 | : | * jmckenna and i'm trying to get YET ANOTHER CANADIAN one going in the yukon here...( i'm referring to the heat osgeo-ottawa chapter took at the last AGM, which by the way, since then i made a big push for a canadian one and was squashed bigtime |
| 11:11:55 | TylerM: | heat? squashed? what you mean.. lots of us were/are in favour |
| 11:11:59 | : | * jmckenna so i gave up on a canadian one. done |
| 11:12:17 | : | * FrankW was no doubt one of the scoffers. |
| 11:12:25 | jmckenna: | if u think so, give a re-read of that long thread. i was poo-pood bigtime |
| 11:12:30 | danmo: | did you hear about the idea of "networks"? |
| 11:12:51 | danmo: | that sounds like a good way to address the local vs global question |
| 11:12:56 | TylerM: | sure, but chapters are for those people who wan them, right? not for those who don't : ) |
| 11:13:09 | TylerM: | We have "language chapter" confusion too : ) |
| 11:13:12 | TylerM: | at least i do .. heh |
| 11:13:21 | danmo: | For instance in Canada you could have Ottawa, BC, Quebec and Yukon all part of a Canadian Network |
| 11:13:23 | jmckenna: | we seem to be hard on these ideas sometimes |
| 11:13:39 | TylerM: | I called the "Italian Chapter" a language chapter, lumped in with Francophone. but it was a mistake on my part : ) |
| 11:13:55 | jmckenna: | so i brought that up to say i'm ready for the international heat on the subject this time..i tried! |
| 11:13:56 | danmo: | Then Quebec could also be part of a French language network with the France chapter |
| 11:14:37 | : | * FrankW thinks it is challenging enough to get a table at a pub booked once a month for the Ottawa chapter. |
| 11:14:58 | TylerM: | jmckenna: I'm in favour or regularly bringing up hot points.. seems the second or third time the naysayers usually give up ;- ) heh |
| 11:15:06 | jmckenna: | we can talk at the agm about this. i'd love to see a strong active canadian chapter |
| 11:15:14 | : | * danmo too |
| 11:15:19 | tbowden: | The chapter should revolve around the community. Not the community around the chapter. More than three in a room at once make a community. Let the chapters follow suit imho. |
| 11:15:29 | TylerM: | same here |
| 11:15:40 | danmo: | but calling it network solves many of the questions that were raised last year |
| 11:15:46 | TylerM: | find those in favour and work with them... as opposed to trying other way around |
| 11:15:52 | TylerM: | yeah, I hear ya danmo |
| 11:16:22 | TylerM: | jmckenna: don't let it discourage you - it's all new to a lot of people still |
| 11:16:29 | danmo: | a Canadian network is composed of a number of local chapters who act locally, and once in a while meet with each other to act at the national level |
| 11:16:46 | jmckenna: | i like that concept |
| 11:17:09 | danmo: | the beauty of it is that it solves the issue of language chapters vs local chapters too |
| 11:17:12 | tbowden: | Meta chapter. |
| 11:17:12 | tbowden: | Put the resolution on the AGM wiki. I'm due to get up in a couple of hours. Out of here... |
| 11:21:17 | tomkralidis: | FYI a GTA chapter is still ( slowly ) in the works |
| 11:22:12 | TylerM: | good to hear tomkralidis |
| 11:32:25 | ominoverde: | for Live DVD: I've made a mapfile for mapserver: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc:mapfile_for_mapserver |
| 11:32:26 | sigq: | Title: Live GIS Disc:mapfile for mapserver - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 11:32:57 | ominoverde: | it's linked from the liveDVD wiki page too |
| 11:33:06 | ominoverde: | I'll quit for dinner |
| 13:02:25 | dpatton: | FrankW: OT: you mentioned buying a new laptop - any specifics in mind?( brand, general config, etc ) |
| 13:03:13 | FrankW: | dpatton: nothing specific in mind, no. |
| 13:03:52 | FrankW: | Whatever seems like a good balance of value and price at Future Shop or Staples |
| 13:04:38 | dpatton: | ok, thanks - I was just starting to look into buying one myself, so I was curious - looking at Dell, but not going with their Ubuntu offerings, because they are too limited( only 2 models ) |
| 13:05:43 | TylerM: | at the time, 2006, i bought a basic mac book and found the price to be pretty reasonable to dell .. at the time anyway |
| 13:06:08 | TylerM: | it seems to be wearing out though after a couple years of full time use |
| 13:06:22 | TylerM: | it's the only machine i use day-to-day |
| 13:08:43 | danmo: | dpatton: got a vostro 1500 from Dell back in December and am very happy running ubuntu on it ... mind you I did a bt of research to pick hardware that should run as smoothly as possible ( nvidia video adapter, Intel wireless card ) |
| 13:09:27 | danmo: | What I like with Dell is you can get a higher res screen for just a few hundred $$ ... but at Staples or Future Shop you only have crappy displays on their laptops |
| 13:10:40 | TylerM: | i always downplayed screens, since this 13" I find quite usable.. but now that my neck is sore sitting at a desk looking down.. i'm wishing i had an external lcd screen |
| 13:10:41 | TylerM: | :( |
| 13:12:03 | dpatton: | Here in western Canada we can also look at what London Drugs is selling, because we all know that "drug stores" sell almost everything, with a little space at the back of the store for a pharmacy |
| 13:13:27 | danmo: | gotta go. bye |
| 13:14:15 | TylerM: | heh - righto dpatton ; ) |
| 13:17:45 | dpatton: | if you go to londondrugs.com and enter "3266772"( no quotes ) into the Product Search, you'll find a $799.98 Sony Vaio notebook that they sell, but I haven't yet compared it to Dell's pricing |
| 13:18:28 | TylerM: | wow |
| 13:19:52 | crschmidt: | $400 IBM Thinkpad: http://www.buy.com/prod/ibm-thinkpad-r51-1700mhz-512mb-40gb-dvd-wifi-xp-laptop/q/loc/101/207896916.html |
| 13:19:54 | sigq: | Title: IBM THINKPAD R51 1700MHZ 512MB 40GB DVD WIFI XP LAPTOP - R51 - Buy.com ( at www.buy.com ) |
| 13:20:29 | crschmidt: | I guess it's too late about orering anything though |
| 13:20:53 | TylerM: | dpatton: and a nice 3GB ram included |
| 13:21:11 | TylerM: | in the sony one i mean |
| 13:34:07 | : | * jmckenna realizes that i'll be arriving in cape town on saturday morning. oops. ha. |
| 13:38:07 | mlechner: | repeat from sunday: can anybody from SAC tell me why the osgeo-wiki login is not using https? |
| 13:38:29 | mlechner: | sorry: "hallo everybody" |
| 13:38:45 | FrankW: | I'm not sure there is a specific reason. |
| 13:38:55 | FrankW: | But the wiki does not use ldap is normally not considered very secure. |
| 13:39:28 | FrankW: | I believe it was set up by Martin. |
| 13:40:16 | FrankW: | Ironically, it appears that the wiki is one service that we have not documented in the SAC wiki. :- ) |
| 13:42:09 | mlechner: | why is a wiki not using ldap not very secure? if the credentials are stored in a postreSQl or mySQL there shouldn't be any extraordinary security risks |
| 13:43:05 | mlechner: | And configuring a rewrite-rukle an setting up the ssl-virtual host isn't a big deal , is it? |
| 13:43:38 | FrankW: | mlechner: if it were using ldap, we would be more concerned about protecting the authentication information since the ldap info is used for many other important services. |
| 13:43:51 | FrankW: | I don't know how hard it would be to force login via ssl. |
| 13:44:28 | FrankW: | I would note, we have a similar problem with trac. |
| 13:44:58 | FrankW: | Normally trac logins are done by http, potentially exposing the real ldap auth info to folks who can sniff the wire. |
| 13:46:36 | mlechner: | http://www.osgeo.org/user is forced to use ssl - should be similar |
| 13:46:39 | sigq: | Title: User account | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 13:47:01 | TylerM: | it's probably mostly limited by our experience with the software |
| 13:47:31 | FrankW: | Presumably Drupal itself is taking care of the force-to-https in the quoted case. |
| 13:47:45 | TylerM: | it was a bit of manually tweaking i did |
| 13:47:50 | FrankW: | mlechner: if this is important I would suggest you file a ticket against SAC, and follow up with Martin to see if he is interested in fixing it. |
| 15:20:16 | darkblue_B: | so.. regarding equipment rental in Capetown |
| 15:20:37 | darkblue_B: | the local Linux advocate gave a very details contact for two locals |
| 15:20:51 | darkblue_B: | big definite maybe.. but perhaps it is useful |
| 15:21:20 | darkblue_B: | groups.google.com refurbishers... post Capetown SA Allies? |
| 15:21:24 | darkblue_B: | hth |
| 16:59:03 | CameronShorter: | FrankW, TylerM, I'm an email click away from suggesting FOSS4G2009 set up an Issue tracker and would like your feedback on whether using the OSGeo Trac would be appropriate. |
| 16:59:58 | TylerM: | If you think it's what you need, then there is no reason I can think of not to use it. |
| 17:00:06 | TylerM: | Someone will have to create a "component" category for you. |
| 17:00:26 | TylerM: | and maybe some other customisation.. but otherwise i generally say go for it : ) |
| 17:00:29 | TylerM: | back in a bit |
| 17:02:57 | FrankW: | With it's own component, the tickets would be easiliy segregated. |
| 17:03:13 | CameronShorter: | Ok, sounds good. |
| 17:03:57 | FrankW: | I shall create a "foss4g2009" component now... |
| 17:04:00 | CameronShorter: | I'm recommending we go down that path to foss4g2009. If I don't get any objections, I'll come back in a day or two asking for help. |
| 17:04:13 | FrankW: | ah, ok, I'll hold off till I hear. |
| 17:04:24 | CameronShorter: | yes, give us 24 hrs to decide. |
| 18:03:00 | CameronShorter: | FrankW, TylerM, pramsey, I have a foss4g2009 contract ready to sign. I'm waiting on pramsey to answer the question "Can we sign off on the contract before we have finalised the budget?" |
| 18:49:34 | FrankW: | CameronShorter: I don't think you can sign on behalf of OSGeo without some sort of additional agreement in place ( ie. a budget or perhaps some motion to sign the contract in advance of a budget ). |
| 18:50:02 | CameronShorter: | FrankW, I won't be signing. |
| 18:50:37 | FrankW: | Assuming you need to get this signed fairly soon - before a solid budget is likely to be approved - my suggestion would be to circulate it to the board with the intent that the board approve the contract at Sunday's board meeting. |
| 18:50:53 | CameronShorter: | I'll be getting the LOC to vote to accept contract, then hand over to OSGeo Board to vote to accept contract. |
| 18:50:55 | FrankW: | This is my opinion only of course. |
| 18:51:04 | FrankW: | Ok, sounds fine. |
| 18:51:59 | CameronShorter: | However, before I started the voting process, I wanted to make sure we don't have any blocking issues needing resolving first. |
| 18:53:28 | CameronShorter: | My preference is to get the board to accept the contract on Sunday, as I think we will have a few weeks debating the budget. |
| 22:47:18 | tbowden: | mleslie: What state's the Live DVD at? |
| 22:47:18 | tbowden: | I'd like to start downloading sooner rather than later |
| 22:52:10 | shansen: | it's uploading atm |
| 22:52:31 | shansen: | should be finished around 6pm |
| 22:56:51 | tbowden: | shansen: Thanks, I'll grab it then. |
| 22:57:38 | mleslie: | Glad someone's paying attention : ) |
| 23:09:27 | wildintellect: | mleslie, did anyone resolve the issues posted on the wiki or is the final basically the same as ver 3_4? |
| 23:12:14 | mleslie: | shansen was working through issues for most of the day today. I haven't asked how far he got. |
| 23:12:32 | shansen: | I think most of them have been fixed |
| 23:15:32 | wildintellect: | we should probably start a repo/trac for the project at some point, I'll suggest it be discussed at the BOF |
| 23:16:23 | mleslie: | We need to sort out a sleeker means of collaboration too. Passing an image around adds huge overhead. |
| 23:16:32 | mleslie: | We could easily spend half our day transferring. |
| 23:16:59 | wildintellect: | right I'm thinking of a repo that contains the config files and custom art |
| 23:17:22 | wildintellect: | when applied to a chroot, the packages would be pulled from the std repos |
| 23:17:53 | wildintellect: | repo 1 here being svn or something and std repos meaning the ubuntu packages |
| 23:17:55 | mleslie: | Yup. I'd like an OSGeo repo actually. Somewhere that we can put data, doco and configuration packages. |
| 23:18:36 | mleslie: | I'd like to get everything into DEB files, if possible. |
| 23:21:06 | wildintellect: | that's kinda what I was hoping would come out of this process, up to date packages for all the projects |
| 23:21:25 | mleslie: | Not yet. We left it too late. |
| 23:22:45 | mleslie: | I also want more than just the projects. The mapfiles, templates and desktop icon could be a package that depends on cgi-mapserver, for example. Those don't need to get into Debian or Ubuntu, but they would make collaborating sooooo much easier. |
| 23:23:04 | wildintellect: | I agree |
| 23:23:24 | mleslie: | Updated project packages should also happen, but those should end up in Debian. |
| 23:23:37 | mleslie: | That'll take prodding of the release maintainers : ) |
| 23:23:50 | wildintellect: | sometimes they just need help |
| 23:24:24 | mleslie: | Yup. And they're more likely to get it before a big conference than after a small release. |
| 23:24:58 | wildintellect: | I'm still learning how to build debs, and struggling to get any of the java stack to work |
| 23:25:23 | mleslie: | I've only gone so far as the readings. Haven't actually sat down to make one yet. |
| 23:25:30 | mleslie: | Not expecting to have time to for a bit :( |
| 23:25:50 | wildintellect: | we should get a lesson from the qgis folks since they do it consistently |
| 23:26:16 | mleslie: | I understand Java is especially difficult. Haven't understood why yet though. |
| 23:26:36 | wildintellect: | I think it's the dependencies |
| 23:26:46 | mleslie: | Looking through the docs, it seems to fit nicely with gnu C/C++ make processes. Not sure if theres a maven plugin for DEB yet. |