| 00:19:15 | : | * seven is running out of power. Why the %&ยง# are there no outlets anywhere? |
| 00:34:18 | stvn: | has found some outlets in 1.4, but he didn't bring his socket-adapter :( |
| 00:36:53 | mkl: | foss gis in India now on |
| 00:40:33 | : | * stvn wonders if cholmes is going to give his lab on IRC ; ) |
| 00:41:50 | stvn: | maurizio misses openlayers guys |
| 00:42:00 | crschmidt: | hm? |
| 00:42:40 | cholmes: | Well, it's justin's lab. I could live report on it. |
| 00:42:49 | stvn: | he is giving a presentation on tile making and hoped he could do tile serving as well, but he needed help from an OL guy who apparently is needed somewhere else |
| 00:42:52 | cholmes: | but that _might_ be a bit more appropriate on the geoserver channel |
| 00:42:59 | stvn: | heh |
| 00:43:45 | crschmidt: | stvn: oh. well, i don't think 'just any' OL developer will wowk, I assume : ) |
| 00:45:29 | stvn: | indeed |
| 00:46:26 | ajturner: | how are the Case Studies? |
| 00:56:57 | : | * stvn is back on the world wide wait :( |
| 00:59:39 | crschmidt: | Er... |
| 00:59:57 | crschmidt: | this guy has SOA + REST on his slide to describe his project/software |
| 01:00:15 | crschmidt: | Don't those two kind of not work out together... ? |
| 01:00:26 | : | * stvn wonders what crschmidt is watching |
| 01:00:48 | crschmidt: | WebGIS Platform |
| 01:17:48 | stvn: | is a bit lost at this lab |
| 01:28:39 | crschmidt: | ajturner: josh is saying that you know the name of the place we're going to for drinks tonight |
| 01:29:32 | ajturner: | indeed - or at least a suggestion |
| 01:31:09 | crschmidt: | can you put the info in http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_Social ? |
| 01:31:10 | sigq: | Title: FOSS4G2008 Social - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 01:31:49 | ajturner: | yheah, will do |
| 01:31:56 | crschmidt: | thanks |
| 01:32:18 | ajturner: | sessions must be ending - 'net is bad |
| 01:32:52 | crschmidt: | was it god at some point? |
| 01:36:01 | ajturner: | better |
| 01:36:30 | ajturner: | Africa Cafe looks like maybe a good dinner option |
| 01:36:32 | ajturner: | http://www.fodors.com/world/africa-and-middle-east/south-africa/cape-town/review-135981.html |
| 01:36:34 | sigq: | Title: Africa Cafe Review | Cape Town | Fodor's Restaurant Reviews ( at www.fodors.com ) |
| 01:36:38 | ajturner: | when is the AGM and other BOFs? |
| 01:37:14 | crschmidt: | agm is thursday |
| 01:39:17 | Schuyler: | Africa Cafe was highly recommended by the concierge at the Fountains |
| 01:41:29 | crschmidt: | http://www.vimeo.com/1841244 |
| 01:41:30 | sigq: | Title: Schuyler's Lightning Talk on Vimeo ( at www.vimeo.com ) |
| 01:41:37 | stvn: | http://www.vimeo.com/1841244 |
| 01:42:15 | stvn: | grmbls @ putty |
| 01:47:17 | mkl: | osm BOF is tonight |
| 03:50:27 | ominoverde: | OSGeo Spanish Language Chapter has a Board! http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/spanish/2008-September/001045.html |
| 03:50:28 | sigq: | Title: [Spanish] Votaciones para el PSC OSGEO Spanish 2008: Escrutinio ( at lists.osgeo.org ) |
| 03:57:14 | : | * stvn wonders what the OSS is of this talk |
| 03:57:37 | crschmidt: | jlivni was just asking the same thing |
| 03:58:23 | : | * stvn thinks the entire crowd is still baffled by the lack of lspatiallight |
| 03:58:29 | crschmidt: | yeah |
| 03:59:17 | ominoverde: | crschmidt: any new movie? |
| 03:59:35 | crschmidt: | ominoverde: no |
| 03:59:41 | ominoverde: | :-( |
| 04:00:04 | : | * ominoverde sadly go out for lunch |
| 04:00:25 | stvn: | http://lqt.it/ is the company behind spatiallight |
| 04:00:26 | sigq: | Title: LQT :::........... Laboratorio per la Qualita' del Territorio ( at lqt.it ) |
| 04:02:48 | ominoverde: | stvn: strange company... not even an info page http://lqt.it/contatti.htm |
| 05:43:26 | Schuyler: | hallo from the disaster mgmt track |
| 05:43:37 | crschmidt: | hello from the web services track |
| 05:47:29 | jlivni: | web services talk is now about fire disaster mgmnt. |
| 05:47:55 | Schuyler: | wonderful |
| 05:47:58 | bitner: | the Sahana guys in this talk? |
| 05:48:06 | Schuyler: | the disaster mgmt guy is talking about web services |
| 05:48:12 | crschmidt: | heh |
| 05:48:20 | Schuyler: | bitner: they did one this morning |
| 05:48:30 | crschmidt: | bitner: was I supposed to be looking for sahana people or something? |
| 05:48:34 | Schuyler: | which I missed, because I was speaking at the same time :( |
| 05:48:45 | bitner: | crschmidt: I just said they might look for you |
| 05:48:48 | crschmidt: | theone of them said hi to me |
| 05:48:59 | Schuyler: | we all went out for beers last night |
| 05:49:01 | crschmidt: | but wasn't sure if there was anything specific that I should be mentioning |
| 05:49:16 | bitner: | no, nothing specific |
| 05:49:19 | crschmidt: | k |
| 05:51:04 | bitner: | Schuyler: you win a pony for your lightning talk |
| 05:54:30 | Schuyler: | a pony! |
| 05:55:21 | Schuyler: | surely arnulf deserves something also |
| 05:55:31 | bitner: | didn't see his yet |
| 05:55:37 | bitner: | did crschmidt post it? |
| 05:55:55 | crschmidt: | i didn't, no |
| 05:56:12 | bitner: | I didn't think you had |
| 05:56:18 | Schuyler: | .... four hours later ..... |
| 05:56:24 | Schuyler: | the net access here is deeply pokey |
| 05:56:36 | Schuyler: | that and no coffee after lunch are my only real complaints |
| 05:56:39 | crschmidt: | it's slightly better tat the moment than it was this morning |
| 05:56:48 | crschmidt: | at the moment* |
| 06:35:10 | : | * stvn i s dissapointed to find once again that a talk is not held |
| 06:36:02 | crschmidt: | yeah |
| 06:36:12 | crschmidt: | the three that I've cared about today a lot have all not happened |
| 06:36:48 | stvn: | is in the mood for beer |
| 06:37:11 | crschmidt: | OL + ExtJS bof is in 45 minutes |
| 06:39:10 | stvn: | where? |
| 06:41:33 | crschmidt: | 1.6 |
| 06:42:32 | stvn: | k |
| 06:42:38 | stvn: | so 45m of naptime |
| 06:43:08 | crschmidt: | yeah |
| 07:16:46 | TylerM: | wahoo - we broke the 50 people in channel mark : ) |
| 07:18:19 | jsanz1: | hi TylerM, finally we have an official psc at OSGeo Spanish! |
| 07:18:49 | jsanz1: | hope we can be a "graduated" LC soon |
| 07:19:48 | TylerM: | hi jsanz1 - bravo |
| 07:20:44 | jsanz1: | soon the board will have spanish news :D |
| 07:21:08 | TylerM: | glad to hear it... |
| 07:21:29 | TylerM: | Anyone here going to be at the Edu BOF? |
| 07:23:53 | tbowden: | ++ Marketing BOF Announcement ++ |
| 07:23:53 | tbowden: | present: Jeroen, FrankW, Arnulf, Tbowden, Miguel Montesinos. |
| 07:23:57 | TylerM: | tbowden wins the prize as IRC member #53 : ) |
| 07:24:10 | TylerM: | right on! |
| 07:24:12 | ominoverde_away: | viva jsanz1! |
| 07:26:16 | tbowden: | agenda? None. Discussing how to spend extra money from sponsors |
| 07:26:32 | tbowden: | events coordinator part time? |
| 07:27:00 | tbowden: | for conf type events |
| 07:28:35 | tbowden: | Looking here for a suitably big sponsor to fund it |
| 07:29:46 | tbowden: | we have something to offer to big sponsors: access to geeks for those big tech companies that value that |
| 07:30:30 | tbowden: | we have a problem with efficient conf resourcing |
| 07:31:19 | tbowden: | an expert would be able to do the "donkey work" with us concentrating on what we do best |
| 07:33:06 | tbowden: | what type of sponsors do we want? |
| 07:33:48 | tbowden: | proprietary co's? Open source friendly? Are we selling our soul or perceived that way with who sponsors us? |
| 07:34:05 | tbowden: | rather depending on who sponsors? |
| 07:34:19 | TylerM: | at this point we don't a lot of advantage of our sponsors, but finding more ways too could help us show value to them |
| 07:34:50 | tbowden: | agreed. |
| 07:34:51 | TylerM: | I have approached them for material in the journal, for the AGM, etc.. but otherwise they don't hear a lot from us. Is there more we can do trying to get them to meet with us and talk through ideas, etc. |
| 07:34:53 | TylerM: | ? |
| 07:35:30 | tbowden: | discussing... |
| 07:36:08 | tbowden: | Jeroen: how do we improve the value to our sponsors |
| 07:36:45 | TylerM: | tbowden: note: http://www.osgeo.org/sponsorship |
| 07:36:47 | sigq: | Title: Help Sponsor OSGeo | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 07:36:54 | TylerM: | we do offer some 'benefits' |
| 07:36:59 | TylerM: | to some levels but don't do them all |
| 07:37:29 | tbowden: | our sponsors need us to be seen as the leaders |
| 07:37:30 | TylerM: | or haven't been doing them that well. |
| 07:37:40 | tbowden: | so linking their name to us adds cred for them |
| 07:37:56 | tbowden: | we need to present a more polished prescence |
| 07:38:21 | tbowden: | be in more events |
| 07:38:23 | TylerM: | We talk on that page about doing some 'events' ( during FOSS4G conf ), maybe doing these would help : ) |
| 07:38:25 | TylerM: | "Invitation to Sponsor Information Exchange Event with Board of Directors following annual OSGeo International Conference |
| 07:38:25 | TylerM: | Invitation to Sponsor Networking Event with OSGeo Board of Directors and other invited guests following annual OSGeo International Conference" |
| 07:38:25 | tbowden: | more material at events |
| 07:40:12 | tbowden: | Tyler can only travel so much. |
| 07:40:16 | tbowden: | we need local prescence |
| 07:40:41 | tbowden: | we don't know how to do lobbying properly |
| 07:40:57 | TylerM: | I don't expect to go many places more than 1 or 2 times... e.g. to help kick-off a local chapter or speak at an event... |
| 07:41:02 | TylerM: | but then next time spend time elsewhere. |
| 07:41:17 | TylerM: | that'ss been my approach so far anyway |
| 07:41:38 | tbowden: | right |
| 07:41:48 | tbowden: | sounds good to do support like that |
| 07:42:21 | tbowden: | event coordinator should help setup and empower the local chapter to continue the event in future |
| 07:42:35 | tbowden: | Schuyler just dropped in |
| 07:42:45 | tbowden: | thought this was the OSM BOF. |
| 07:42:50 | tbowden: | got him cornered |
| 07:42:54 | tbowden: | can't get out |
| 07:43:42 | : | * markusN greets from OSGeo-Edu BOF |
| 07:43:51 | tbowden: | waves back! |
| 07:44:01 | markusN: | 13 people in right now |
| 07:44:04 | TylerM: | Ah good ,thanks markusN .. tbowden is reporting from marketing too. |
| 07:44:07 | tbowden: | 6 here |
| 07:44:15 | ajolma: | markus: what's the topic of the book that you'll be editing? |
| 07:44:19 | TylerM: | markusN: I just sent an email replying to charlie.. do you have it handy? |
| 07:44:28 | : | * markusN seeks |
| 07:45:35 | tbowden: | going to #osgeo-marketing chanel |
| 07:45:39 | TylerM: | ok |
| 07:46:15 | markusN: | something like "Handbook of Geospatial Technology: For Analysis and Modeling" with Springer |
| 07:46:32 | markusN: | we'll invite a series of chapter authors in the near future |
| 07:47:07 | markusN: | still have to figure out structure |
| 07:51:22 | tbowden: | Can the live DVD be used as the basis for edu material? |
| 07:51:51 | : | * TylerM sure hopes so : ) |
| 07:52:03 | ajolma: | tbowden: is itself is material for teachers |
| 07:52:34 | ajolma: | exercise book to accompany it would be very good |
| 07:53:11 | tbowden: | book on the cd |
| 07:53:24 | TylerM: | nice idea |
| 07:53:41 | tbowden: | lab lessons etc all on the cd with data |
| 07:54:16 | TylerM: | as an author, I would also consider updating ( or writing new ) my book to use the disc as a source |
| 07:54:49 | TylerM: | with my book as a more in-depth teaching guide or something like that. |
| 07:55:43 | tbowden: | TyerM: sounds interesting |
| 07:57:55 | crschmidt: | TylerM: out of curiousity, do you consider a statement like "Technical book authors never write books in order to make money"? |
| 07:58:00 | crschmidt: | Or is that an overgeneralization? |
| 08:00:58 | TylerM: | i'd say an overgeneralized assumption, or at least a sad reality that they may not make a lot of money... |
| 08:01:08 | TylerM: | however, I think it also speaks to the failure of technical book publishers |
| 08:01:18 | TylerM: | to adequately market and sell technical books. |
| 08:01:27 | crschmidt: | sure |
| 08:01:42 | crschmidt: | People on the OL list are saying "Chris should write an OL book to make money for the OL project!" |
| 08:01:58 | crschmidt: | and I'm kinda like... right. That sounds... sane. except not. : ) |
| 08:02:08 | stvn: | : ) |
| 08:02:23 | TylerM: | you can make more money writing periodical articles, at least you used to |
| 08:02:54 | bitner: | crschmidt: they've got a nice little petition going |
| 08:03:06 | crschmidt: | yeah, so I'm noticing |
| 08:03:08 | TylerM: | i've looked into self publishing options a bit and think with a bit of expertise, more people could be publishing, but still not make a huge profit. |
| 08:03:57 | bitner: | "OSGeo publishing house" |
| 08:04:09 | TylerM: | bitner: that's part of a dream of mine : ) |
| 08:04:25 | TylerM: | shared revenue between authors and the org. |
| 08:05:36 | crschmidt: | I'm trying not to fume too much. |
| 08:05:45 | crschmidt: | ( sorry, battery died ) |
| 08:07:11 | crschmidt: | lulu is a decent seeming self publishing place, but still, putting together an o'reilly style book is hundreds of hours of work, no? |
| 08:07:32 | bitner: | crschmidt: obviously reading through the ol book petition |
| 08:08:05 | TylerM: | crschmidt: probably hundreds of hours, maybe.. |
| 08:08:26 | TylerM: | cost there is still about 2x as much as going to a printer yourself and get a batch done though. |
| 08:08:43 | TylerM: | i've toyed with the idea of trying to help people get published |
| 08:10:24 | crschmidt: | anyway, i think that it will always be true that i can make way more money consulting than writing a book |
| 08:10:39 | hobu: | yep |
| 08:11:08 | TylerM: | some write books so they can do more consulting |
| 08:11:42 | crschmidt: | so writing a book is essentially abandoning some economic success for other people's benefit |
| 08:12:00 | crschmidt: | sure. I don't think i have that problem at the moment. |
| 08:12:07 | hobu: | if no one ends up buying the book that's true ; ) |
| 08:12:19 | bitner: | being able to say "i wrote the book on this" is good advertising for your services |
| 08:12:22 | TylerM: | it's not usually revenue negative for the author heh |
| 08:12:36 | bitner: | TylerM: have you found you get hit-up for MapServer consulting much? |
| 08:12:46 | hobu: | TylerM: opportunity cost wise it can be |
| 08:13:19 | hobu: | if you already have the reputation, 100s of hours of consulting is more valuable than 100s of ours writing a tech book that has a very short lifespan |
| 08:13:23 | TylerM: | bitner: a few times a year, but not much |
| 08:13:47 | hobu: | if you don't have the reputation, writing a tech book is a good way to get one |
| 08:14:02 | TylerM: | but i get a lot of speaking opportunities, some are obviously related to my osgeo position, but others are related to the 'author' reputation too at least in part. |
| 08:14:09 | crschmidt: | also, the assumption that i might write a book and the proceeds would go to the openlayers project is annoying to me |
| 08:14:18 | nhv: | hehehe |
| 08:14:34 | TylerM: | yeah, when all you can say is "i'm a gis guy".. it doesn't help you move into other domains : ) |
| 08:29:12 | sophiap: | is there a udig irc channel? |
| 08:31:30 | TylerM: | hi sophiap - i'm not sure |
| 08:31:37 | TylerM: | pramsey might know ?? |
| 08:32:00 | pramsey: | yes, #udig |
| 08:32:08 | sophiap: | ok thanks |
| 08:49:19 | markusN: | I have added the steps of my GRASS demo today to http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/HowToTestGrass6#UsingwxPythongraphicaluserinterface ( incl screenshots ) |
| 08:49:20 | sigq: | Title: HowToTestGrass6 - GRASS GIS - Trac ( at trac.osgeo.org ) |
| 13:12:22 | TylerM: | Anyone get a peek at the brochures at the foss4g osgeo booth? |
| 13:12:28 | TylerM: | just curious if you thought they looked good |
| 13:12:44 | TylerM: | or had some constructive criticism : ) |
| 22:24:03 | stvn: | morning |
| 22:24:16 | TylerM: | shhh.. it's getting late ; ) |
| 22:39:27 | crschmidt: | morning stvn |
| 22:39:28 | stvn: | hi TylerM |
| 22:40:55 | stvn: | morning crschmidt |