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| 11:17:45 | hobu: | FrankW: nice ( and deserved ) smackdown on wankers ; ) |
| 11:22:18 | FrankW: | He wasn't the only mia presenter, but it was somewhat inconsiderate. |
| 11:24:36 | crschmidt: | anselm's attitude about this has been disappointing for quite a while: Every time I've tried to engage him on the topic he stops responding. |
| 11:42:27 | FrankW: | crschmidt: well, I can see where he is coming from about the pricing, but the where2.0 model just doesn't work well for foss4g. |
| 11:42:39 | FrankW: | With regard to the inside/outside innovation stuff, it was a bit over my head. |
| 11:43:14 | jgarnett: | here is a stupid question |
| 11:43:19 | jgarnett: | was the foss4g 2008 successful? |
| 11:43:28 | jgarnett: | there has been very little news coverage |
| 11:43:38 | jgarnett: | I have not idea how things went from following the blogs. |
| 11:43:54 | jgarnett: | it is a dark information hole and not much escapes. |
| 11:44:33 | FrankW: | I believe it was quite successful, yes. There are a few good blogs and a recent directions article on it. |
| 11:44:46 | crschmidt: | jgarnett: give it time. Many people are still not back to their homes -- at least, I know, I'm not -- and South African internet is not exactly the best in the world. |
| 11:44:47 | FrankW: | But I can understand it is hard to get a picture from the outside. |
| 11:45:02 | jgarnett: | I have been following http://planet.osgeo.org/ and have not read much |
| 11:45:11 | : | * crschmidt is only online at the moment because the hotel he's staying in has a horrible captive portal that fails at being... captive. |
| 11:45:18 | jgarnett: | crschmidt++ on the internet side. |
| 11:45:21 | FrankW: | lol |
| 11:45:29 | FrankW: | Another open ssh situation? |
| 11:45:35 | crschmidt: | FrankW: the same |
| 11:45:48 | FrankW: | I like to think of this as techies giving a gift to techies. |
| 11:45:54 | crschmidt: | I'm at foutains agai nuntil my flight tomorrow night |
| 11:46:18 | crschmidt: | FrankW: in this case, even if I had paid, it wouldn't have helpd: the login server for the portal is down |
| 11:47:49 | jgarnett: | thanks for the pointer to the directions magazine article |
| 11:48:13 | jgarnett: | oh great the lead sentence is that they were unable to attend this year :-( |
| 11:49:08 | : | * Schuyler furiously writing a blog post :( |
| 11:50:56 | jgarnett: | heh the one link they found with content has this in there first paragraph "The event is put on by OSGeo, which is unguarded about its goal to piss off ESRI" |
| 11:51:21 | jgarnett: | I prefer to think of it has helping people work with spatial data. |
| 11:53:25 | FrankW: | yes, I didn't like that viewpoint though it was reflected to some extent by comments and audience reaction. |
| 11:53:41 | jgarnett: | it is a very interesting article. |
| 11:53:59 | jgarnett: | I sometimes feel like this is how people want open source developers to behave |
| 11:54:04 | jgarnett: | ( and it is what they expect to see ) |
| 11:54:07 | FrankW: | It definately does not reflect the official policy of OSGeo. |
| 11:54:16 | jgarnett: | however the reality is very far from the truth. |
| 11:54:36 | jgarnett: | we spend a lot of time working with everyone and anyone |
| 11:55:39 | jgarnett: | because we areally are interested in helping. We have an interesting way of competing in the market ( based on being experts; not selling the software ) |
| 11:56:01 | jgarnett: | I would hope that shows as confidence; rather than the brashness communicated in that article. |
| 12:08:28 | darkblue_B: | thats a charged lines.. loaded language like that gets an organization nowhere fast |
| 12:08:50 | darkblue_B: | .. combined with a lack of outward media, bad perceptions arise |
| 12:09:12 | darkblue_B: | 'PR' is actually work, it turns out :-/ |
| 12:09:29 | crschmidt: | darkblue_B: that message has never been put out by OSGeo or any of its representatives that I've ever seen. |
| 12:09:43 | crschmidt: | Organizations conjuring opinions and motive out of thin air is nothing new, but not much to be done about it. |
| 12:10:45 | darkblue_B: | hmm, to be clear.. the work of putting out some media kit or press release, etc is what is to be done about it |
| 12:10:53 | jgarnett: | yeah I tried adding a comment to that page; but we will see. |
| 12:11:01 | darkblue_B: | as well as more informally responding to other posts |
| 12:11:34 | darkblue_B: | in the absence of a msg, tongues wag |
| 12:12:06 | crschmidt: | darkblue_B: OSGeo *has* a clear message |
| 12:12:07 | jgarnett: | I am finding his other articles more useful; in particular the one about data vs nobody being able to afford the bandwidth |
| 12:12:53 | crschmidt: | http://www.osgeo.org/about "To support the development of open source geospatial software, and promote its widespread use. |
| 12:12:55 | sigq: | Title: About the Open Source Geospatial Foundation | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 12:12:56 | crschmidt: | " |
| 12:13:03 | darkblue_B: | I think jgarnett started out with the question, was FOSS4G2008 successful - because I cant find much info |
| 12:13:29 | crschmidt: | Sure, answering that question will require people to be back connected to the main communication pipelines; maybe everyone else is, but I'm sure not |
| 12:13:36 | darkblue_B: | look, this is a half full/half empty situation.. |
| 12:13:49 | darkblue_B: | thats all |
| 12:14:11 | darkblue_B: | far be it for me to be critical of success!! but the bad news is, there is even more to do |
| 12:14:16 | darkblue_B: | .. in this media world |
| 13:09:46 | : | * crschmidt is *almost* done uploading photos from the AGM |
| 13:11:52 | crschmidt: | http://flickr.com/photos/crschmidt/tags/2008,agm/ |
| 13:11:53 | sigq: | Title: Flickr: Tagged with 2008 and agm ( at flickr.com ) |
| 14:08:15 | pramsey: | thanks for the photo uploads, crschmidt |
| 14:11:42 | crschmidt: | slowly, slowly from cape town, the bits trickle across the wire |
| 14:14:51 | pramsey: | it's still, frankly, pretty freaking amazing |
| 14:24:31 | crschmidt: | annnnnd that's it |
| 14:24:41 | crschmidt: | all of my foss4g photos are uploaded |
| 14:24:48 | : | * crschmidt now gets to start work on his 'fun' photos |
| 14:26:19 | crschmidt: | 407 photos, 5 videos |
| 14:27:28 | nhv: | looks like that lens was worth it |
| 14:27:36 | crschmidt: | Completely agreed |
| 14:31:32 | crschmidt: | hey, other people have actually uploaded some stuff now |
| 14:31:34 | crschmidt: | that's cool |
| 14:32:36 | crschmidt: | nice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/98315985@N00/2921983611/ |
| 14:32:38 | sigq: | Title: Baboon on Flickr - Photo Sharing! ( at www.flickr.com ) |
| 14:39:55 | : | * crschmidt flips through all pictures |
| 14:40:13 | crschmidt: | flickr's interestingness score always amuses me |
| 14:45:18 | crschmidt: | http://crschmidt.net/~crschmidt/flickr.png |
| 22:25:56 | wildintellect: | darkblue_B, you on? |
| 22:26:25 | wildintellect: | anyone want to help me write the session description for a FOSS track at the AAG( geography ) conference |
| 22:44:19 | darkblue_B: | wildintellect: I just saw this... are you working ? |
| 22:44:28 | wildintellect: | yes indeed |
| 22:44:33 | darkblue_B: | I have a minute .. not much more ;- ) |
| 22:44:48 | wildintellect: | let me past and you can give me your thoughts |
| 22:44:56 | darkblue_B: | ok |
| 22:45:07 | darkblue_B: | ( was dong a poster for our club fundraiser ) |
| 22:45:09 | darkblue_B: | doing |
| 22:45:47 | wildintellect: | http://pastebin.ca/1224365 |
| 22:45:49 | sigq: | Title: general pastebin - Something - post number 1224365 ( at pastebin.ca ) |
| 22:47:52 | darkblue_B: | hmm I would use the syllables to say "Free and Open Source Software" in the 1st occurance |
| 22:48:08 | darkblue_B: | .. a comma before Including instead of a period |
| 22:48:23 | darkblue_B: | its kind of a "First Impressions count" sort of situation |
| 22:48:38 | darkblue_B: | because its makes it sound like a shareware disk ( ! ) |
| 22:48:53 | darkblue_B: | its more than that.. many know it, but not all |
| 22:49:39 | darkblue_B: | then I guess the last occurance gets changed to some synonym |
| 22:50:53 | darkblue_B: | 40 persons ah well |
| 22:51:08 | darkblue_B: | in 7000 bodies.. who do you have to bribe I wonder |
| 22:51:12 | wildintellect: | it's a guess |
| 22:51:22 | wildintellect: | there are usually about 30 sessions at the same time |
| 22:51:38 | darkblue_B: | I have heard that in many conferences it is well known that you pay for a slot in a major auditorium |
| 22:51:40 | wildintellect: | and I've been to sessions with 6 people |
| 22:52:03 | wildintellect: | if I can get the backing of one of the AAG specialty groups we could swing it |
| 22:52:11 | wildintellect: | but we better line up some killer talks 1st |
| 22:52:28 | wildintellect: | I'm more worried about having it on file before the deadline |
| 22:52:33 | darkblue_B: | well.. geographers.. hmmm |
| 22:52:35 | wildintellect: | it's changable after that |
| 22:52:36 | doktoreas: | hi folks |
| 22:52:40 | darkblue_B: | deadline is the 14the? |
| 22:52:43 | wildintellect: | 16th |
| 22:52:47 | darkblue_B: | 16th |
| 22:52:49 | darkblue_B: | yeah |
| 22:52:57 | wildintellect: | but you can edit your abstract until feb |
| 22:53:16 | wildintellect: | and we can lobby for venue until then too |
| 22:54:12 | darkblue_B: | ok, well I am fading.. hth |
| 23:14:58 | wildintellect: | ok I registered 2 sessions, 1 - interactive paper ( 10-14 min talks with 30 min discuss ) 2 - ( 15-20 min talks with questions ) |
| 23:15:09 | wildintellect: | 1 is not so techie and 2 is techie |
| 23:15:17 | wildintellect: | darkblue_B, are you on the EDU list? |
| 23:46:32 | : | * crschmidt wonders when the hell MetaCarta became an 'established GIS company' |
| 23:46:35 | crschmidt: | given that we don't do GIS |
| 23:46:36 | crschmidt: | or mapping |
| 23:52:03 | crschmidt: | i guess asking this at 4am in the states doesn't actually get me any answers : ) |
| 23:52:12 | : | * crschmidt is enjoying a beautiful cape town day |
