| 09:14:35 | : | * stvn wonders who shot the movie of crs and me at the fridaynight dinner |
| 09:18:35 | crschmidt: | jlivni definitely had one good one |
| 09:24:46 | stvn: | do you know if they are online yet? |
| 09:26:46 | crschmidt: | Not that I've seen. |
| 09:27:50 | stvn: | did you have a good time at kruger? |
| 09:29:04 | crschmidt: | It was so awesome |
| 09:29:11 | crschmidt: | Still sorting through pictures. |
| 09:29:26 | crschmidt: | ( I have a lot of crap in the 800 or so I took over two days. ) |
| 09:30:46 | crschmidt: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/crschmidt/2935264508/ |
| 09:30:47 | sigq: | Title: Cheetah on Flickr - Photo Sharing! ( at www.flickr.com ) |
| 09:32:12 | stvn: | sorting through my pictures aswell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29578520@N02/sets/72157607957305308 so far |
| 09:32:14 | sigq: | Title: Malawi - a set on Flickr ( at www.flickr.com ) |
| 09:32:35 | crschmidt: | nice. There's a lot more green in yours : ) |
| 09:32:42 | crschmidt: | Kruger was bone dry everywhere |
| 09:33:36 | stvn: | Liwonde NP is along a river, so a lot more green |
| 09:33:55 | stvn: | the cheetah is cool |
| 09:34:37 | stvn: | in liwonde there are hardly no big predators so no pretty pictures of cats :( |
| 09:34:56 | crschmidt: | Ah |
| 09:35:00 | crschmidt: | Yeah, I saw two sets of lions |
| 09:35:03 | crschmidt: | and the cheetah |
| 09:35:17 | crschmidt: | no other big cats; I just barely missed seeing a leopard at one point ( wandered off just as I drove up ) |
| 09:41:21 | stvn: | pity, but still seeing any of the animals from close range is awesome |
| 09:41:35 | crschmidt: | yeah |
| 10:40:05 | tbowden: | Want to see some awesome animals at close range? Come to FOSS4G 2009 in Sydney and see Kangaroos, Koalas, Platypus and more. |
| 10:40:06 | tbowden: | /me has to learn not to spam *too* much about FOSS4G2009 in Sydney, Oct 20- 23. |
| 11:05:39 | : | * dpatton Want to see some awesome animals at close range? Come to FOSS4G 2009 in Sydney and see the developers of X software ;- ) |
| 11:05:54 | tbowden: | :- ) |
| 11:10:34 | tbowden: | Do the OL animals have fiercer growls than the gvSIG animals? Do the Geoserver animals move ( render? ) faster than the Mapserver animals ( I hear they're a little worried about this! )? |
| 11:10:35 | tbowden: | Maybe we could have an informal social event of team sports, one project against the other? Food for thought |
| 11:11:46 | stvn: | : ) |
| 11:12:06 | tbowden: | besides drinking competitions that is... |
| 11:12:24 | : | * stvn doesn't mind to see the wild devs at close range, if accompanied with a guide with gun |
| 11:13:17 | stvn: | w00t drinking competitions, you need to make sure to get the french( ? ) guys who provided us with infinite drinks the night frank danced |
| 11:13:37 | tbowden: | that was cool. I'll never forget seeing that! |
| 11:14:03 | stvn: | I never forget seeing you dance :S |
| 11:14:10 | tbowden: | ouch |
| 11:14:15 | tbowden: | :- ) |
| 11:14:45 | stvn: | : ) |
| 11:15:54 | tbowden: | though I'm not sure dancing is the best description. More like uncoordinated spasms, though my memory is a little hazy if you know what I mean ;- ) |
| 11:16:28 | : | * stvn has similar problems remembering that night |
| 11:16:40 | stvn: | was fun though |
| 11:18:21 | : | * tbowden seems to make the same mistakes at every FOSS4G. Must remember to behave myself at FOSS4G2009 in Sydney, Oct 20- 23. |
| 11:28:49 | stvn: | heh |
| 11:29:08 | : | * stvn discovers some footage of frankw dancing, but not yet at full power though |
| 12:16:41 | crschmidt: | stvn: are you on the OL dev list? |
| 12:17:02 | : | * crschmidt assumes so, but can't remember |
| 12:17:57 | crschmidt: | I'd love to hear feedback on the email I just posted to the list, explaining reasons why organizations might want to sponsor OL ( http://openlayers.org/pipermail/dev/2008-October/003601.html ) |
| 12:17:59 | sigq: | Title: [OpenLayers-Dev] Entering OSGeo Project Sponsorship ( at openlayers.org ) |
| 12:18:46 | crschmidt: | And I think you work for someone I'd start nagging for sponsorship if we go ahead with this, so if you don't think your bosses would be convinced by it, I'd love to hear why : ) |
| 12:22:01 | stvn: | crschmidt: oui, I'll discuss it with my boss tomorrow |
| 12:22:38 | : | * stvn noticed your mail with an awfull lot of text and postponed it tomorrow |
| 12:23:00 | stvn: | ( landed this morning after a 24hr journey so not too bright ATM ) |
| 12:28:10 | crschmidt: | heh, heh |
| 12:28:15 | crschmidt: | no need to discuss it with a boss yet |
| 12:28:27 | crschmidt: | but would love to hear whether it at least *sounds* good |
| 12:28:34 | : | * crschmidt has never really done any of this, is flying by the seat of his pants |
| 12:29:51 | : | * stvn does a quick read |
| 12:35:08 | : | * Schuyler waves to stvn |
| 12:35:18 | : | * stvn waves to schuyler |
| 12:35:21 | Schuyler: | crschmidt: I just posted "hurrah! me too!" feedback |
| 12:36:14 | stvn: | has reached the conclusion, but hasn't seen the big benefit for sponsoring yet |
| 12:36:33 | : | * stvn will read the conclusion now |
| 12:37:02 | crschmidt: | stvn: perhaps there is no big benefit |
| 12:37:07 | crschmidt: | just lots of small ones that might be worth it : ) |
| 12:37:15 | stvn: | : ) |
| 12:37:42 | : | * stvn feels that the core devs are already very busy and money will not give them more time |
| 12:38:10 | crschmidt: | stvn: well, at least some of the core devs exchange money directly for time as their job |
| 12:38:18 | Schuyler: | right |
| 12:38:41 | Schuyler: | I would offer my consultancy as one possible recipient |
| 12:38:58 | crschmidt: | stvn: If OpenGeo didn't exist, I wouldn't even be considering this; in fact, I've abandoned the idea before specifically for that reason |
| 12:39:12 | Schuyler: | I don't contribute much to OL these days because ( unlike when I worked at MetaCarta ) I don't get paid to do so |
| 12:39:28 | Schuyler: | so I have to spend my available development time on other stuff. |
| 12:39:32 | crschmidt: | But OpenGeo now has at least 2, possibly 3 competent full time ish OL develpoers who it uses specifically in consultancy on OL stuff |
| 12:39:36 | stvn: | I am aware of that, but their bosses are probably filling their agenda and my money has no influence on that |
| 12:39:58 | stvn: | hm, opengeo opens up oppurtuniies indeed |
| 12:39:58 | crschmidt: | Ah, but their bosses can be paid; that's kinda my point : ) |
| 12:40:06 | stvn: | right |
| 12:40:06 | : | * Schuyler waves |
| 12:40:18 | : | * stvn continues to read ( hard to focus atm ) |
| 12:40:34 | crschmidt: | It's not that more time will magically appear: simply that OpenLayers can hire OpenGeo in the same way that anyone else can |
| 12:41:43 | : | * stvn thinks that if you play the 'money buys dev-time' card you need to make sure that there are buyable devs ; ) |
| 12:41:45 | crschmidt: | I don't do OL work for MC much/at all anymore, but I'm currently looking to expand a little bit on consulting-style work that I do in off hours; hoping to transition away from giving away everything in my head for free all the time and instead get something resembling a fair market rate for my time |
| 12:42:02 | crschmidt: | stvn: Agreed. Talking with chris in an abstract way has convinced me thee is. |
| 12:42:07 | crschmidt: | there is* |
| 12:42:17 | Schuyler: | there definitely are. |
| 12:42:32 | crschmidt: | Until the money is in hand, being any more specific unfortunately doesn't work; I think I've gotten to tht point, anyway. |
| 12:42:48 | stvn: | sure |
| 12:43:16 | : | * stvn wonders also how the communication between money and features will go |
| 12:43:32 | stvn: | thinks that that is a bit of trial and error |
| 12:43:39 | crschmidt: | yeah |
| 12:43:50 | crschmidt: | I was kinda hoping FrankW would be online so I could get his opinion |
| 12:43:54 | crschmidt: | but haven't seen him this weekend |
| 12:44:10 | crschmidt: | ( Since he's transitioned a number of orgs into being paying GDAL/OGR sponsors ) |
| 12:44:20 | : | * stvn thinks in general it is a nice piece, but will read it tomorrow again and discuss it with some collegues |
| 12:44:26 | crschmidt: | cool |
| 12:44:27 | crschmidt: | thx! |
| 12:44:57 | stvn: | hopefully I manage to somehow get some sponsering to test the money to feature road |
| 12:45:48 | : | * stvn thinks that for a random person coming with a bag of money it is a difficult path to get his features ( esp if he is not versed in open source ways ) |
| 12:46:06 | crschmidt: | agreed |
| 12:46:11 | crschmidt: | I don't think sponsorship actually changes that |
| 12:46:16 | crschmidt: | at least, that's not the primary reason for sponsorship |
| 12:46:18 | stvn: | agrees |
| 12:46:23 | crschmidt: | you get a better path to input, which is nice |
| 12:46:33 | crschmidt: | and to be honest, I simply pay more attention to people who put their money where their mouth is |
| 12:46:42 | crschmidt: | that's not a formal thing, simply a social thing |
| 12:47:11 | crschmidt: | and 'money' can be a number of things: developer time, sufficient self-help, etc. but cash I expect will work out just as well |
| 12:47:13 | : | * stvn thinks you also pay more atention to knowledgable people |
| 12:47:29 | stvn: | ah yes, that's what i meant |
| 12:47:31 | crschmidt: | yeah |
| 12:47:56 | stvn: | so I'm curious how devs will handle slightly less knowledgable ppl with money :D |
| 12:48:58 | stvn: | anyhows, I think making the point that money doesn't need to be used to scratch a particular itch or request a feature is a good one; there is more to a project than code |
| 12:49:36 | stvn: | but it might be good to make clear where and how money could/can/will be used if not for specific itches |
| 12:50:53 | crschmidt: | fair enough |
| 16:30:32 | tbowden: | TylerM: Welcome back! |
| 16:44:26 | TylerM: | hi tbowden |
| 16:44:38 | TylerM: | back in the saddle on tuesday : ) still on vacation |
| 16:44:57 | TylerM: | Nursing a chest infection too... some holiday :( |
| 16:45:12 | TylerM: | least i've been offline for a week : ) |
| 16:45:22 | TylerM: | that alone is a treat : ) |
| 16:45:39 | TylerM: | how you doing mate? |
| 16:47:16 | tbowden: | not bad, turning my mind to FOSS4G 2009. Looks scary from this close! |
| 16:48:11 | tbowden: | too bad about the chest infection. Not nice |
| 18:52:40 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1222]: PDF version of fin3 layout sheet <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1222> |
| 18:53:12 | CIA-30: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1222 /marketing/logo/OSGeoLogoFIN3.pdf: PDF version of fin3 layout sheet |
| 18:55:21 | CIA-30: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1223 /marketing/logo/OSGeoLogoFIN3_Main.pdf: PDF version of cropped logo |
| 18:55:21 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1223]: PDF version of cropped logo <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1223> |
| 18:58:31 | darkblue_B: | anyone have a URL to the FOSS4G2008 presentations online? |
| 19:04:46 | darkblue_B: | hmm I dont think they are there yet.. no pdfs or ppts .. |