| 06:16:03 | acuster: | FrankW, hey |
| 06:16:15 | FrankW: | hi |
| 06:16:23 | FrankW: | any idea what went wrong with the domain transfer? |
| 06:16:27 | acuster: | FrankW, just got off the phone with easyspace; they claim there was a lock that is now removed |
| 06:16:41 | acuster: | so if we try again, it should now work |
| 06:16:46 | FrankW: | Do we use the same transfer code? |
| 06:16:49 | acuster: | can you give it a shot again, please? |
| 06:16:52 | acuster: | yes |
| 06:16:55 | acuster: | epp is the same |
| 06:16:58 | FrankW: | ok, I'll go ahead. |
| 06:17:03 | acuster: | thanks |
| 06:17:27 | FrankW: | Can you note the above in the ticket? |
| 06:17:38 | acuster: | will do |
| 08:41:45 | TylerM: | anyone already familiar with using ajaxplorer file management tools? |
| 08:41:56 | TylerM: | http://www.ajaxplorer.info |
| 08:41:58 | sigq: | Title: Ajaxplorer.info : the ultimate ajax file manager. ( at www.ajaxplorer.info ) |
| 08:43:27 | TylerM: | quite impressive package |
| 08:44:01 | TylerM: | among it's cool features, you can edit files through the browser |
| 08:46:19 | FrankW: | TylerM: were you thinking of some particular use for this/ |
| 08:46:21 | FrankW: | ? |
| 08:51:51 | TylerM: | yes, for giving limit upload/management access for foss4g sites |
| 08:52:14 | TylerM: | I'm just setting up a test instance. |
| 08:52:38 | FrankW: | I could imagine it also being useful to manage the download.osgeo.org site. |
| 08:52:53 | FrankW: | I wonder if it can be tied into LDAP. |
| 08:53:09 | TylerM: | Good idea! Just not sure how well it will really handle huge files |
| 08:53:21 | FrankW: | I see it is limited by php's upload limit. |
| 08:53:29 | FrankW: | But that is something we can change. |
| 08:53:35 | FrankW: | I wouldn't want to upload dvd images that way though. |
| 08:53:42 | TylerM: | heh yeah i bet |
| 08:53:57 | TylerM: | jeff has his conference archive files.. current approach hasn't worked too well |
| 08:54:28 | FrankW: | Where does this live now/ |
| 08:54:29 | FrankW: | ? |
| 08:54:43 | TylerM: | i'd have to refresh my memory |
| 08:55:32 | TylerM: | http://www.osgeo.org/conference/archives this stuff |
| 08:55:34 | sigq: | Title: Conference Archives | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 08:55:53 | TylerM: | i just remember lots of trouble with the upload tool he had to use |
| 08:56:04 | TylerM: | this one looks far superior |
| 09:22:28 | TylerM: | @seen jmckenna |
| 09:22:28 | sigq: | TylerM: jmckenna was last seen in #osgeo 4 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <jmckenna> : ) |
| 09:22:29 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #315 ( task created ): Provide file upload access for foss4g site and archives <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/315> |
| 10:14:54 | TylerM: | darkblue_B: how'd your poster work out? |
| 10:29:31 | FrankW: | TylerM: is the polish letter of intent a request to become a chapter now? Or just notice that they are "in formation"? |
| 10:29:47 | FrankW: | I think I'd want to see more interested people before approving them as a chapter. |
| 10:30:15 | TylerM: | i gave him some feedback, but hadn't heard back |
| 10:30:22 | TylerM: | so i thought I'd at least forward it on. |
| 10:30:50 | TylerM: | I had assumed it was intent to become official, but i see what you mean now |
| 10:31:32 | : | * racicot wonders what FrankW thinks about "Cascadia"... |
| 10:31:59 | FrankW: | I thought it sounds ready to approve at the next meeting. |
| 10:32:07 | bitner: | they're a bundh of pac NW hippies anyway |
| 10:32:36 | TylerM: | aren't we all? |
| 10:32:38 | racicot: | hippies and proud of it! |
| 10:32:39 | FrankW: | I went to a speech on global warming Monday - I'm ready to become a hippy myself. |
| 10:32:47 | FrankW: | err -- hippie |
| 10:33:07 | : | * crschmidt isn't! |
| 10:33:42 | bitner: | crschmidt drives a hummer and circles the block a couple extra times just for kicks |
| 10:33:58 | crschmidt: | Nah, I'm just not a Pacific Northwest hippy |
| 10:34:15 | crschmidt: | I invest in 'socially equitible investments', or so my wife tlels me |
| 10:34:30 | racicot: | speaking of NW hippies... springmeyer is here! |
| 10:34:38 | crschmidt: | and I use a socially progressive bank, according to its homepage |
| 10:35:02 | bitner: | so "according to others" you are doing good :- ) |
| 10:35:12 | : | * springmeyer stumbles out of his VW van... |
| 10:35:36 | bitner: | just come back from picking up some grease to fill it up, eh? |
| 10:35:42 | : | * racicot I bet springmeyer even uses a mac |
| 10:36:18 | crschmidt: | bah, a mac isn't hippy |
| 10:36:27 | crschmidt: | just another icon of the patriarchy or something |
| 10:36:36 | racicot: | it is if you are using it in a VW |
| 10:36:43 | crschmidt: | I suppse |
| 10:36:52 | : | * crschmidt gets tired of people on the OpenLayers list telling him what he should do |
| 10:37:36 | crschmidt: | "I don't want to use a format that actually makes sense! I want to use OpenLayers specific formats and deprecated code! Now, fix the code for me." |
| 10:39:10 | crschmidt: | I think I should limit responses within a given thread to 3. |
| 10:39:26 | crschmidt: | If I have to reply more than 3 times to a user, then it's not worth my time anymore. |
| 10:40:02 | bitner: | crschmidt: I am always amazed by how patient you are |
| 10:40:08 | racicot: | ./configure --max-reply-limit=3 |
| 10:40:12 | racicot: | make |
| 10:40:27 | bitner: | so, crschmidt really is a bot! |
| 10:42:05 | crschmidt: | I also get tired of people saying "Well, you shouldn't use OpenLayers, The functionality that you're talking about already exists in $our_project", when $our_project ignores huge chunks of the code that OpenLayers has |
| 10:42:41 | : | * crschmidt wonders if it's worth it to add an expired SSL cert to his local trusted certs in order to open some GeoMoose URL. |
| 10:44:50 | : | * crschmidt shakes his head. Not enough patience to reply to this. |
| 13:42:21 | : | * seven had a good laugh at this thread. Will it ever show up in a reasonable place so that generations to come may also have have a good laugh? Have a good night. :- ) |
| 15:15:30 | : | * tbowden wonders if we should have an irc famous quotes page that harvests the best/ funniest bits from here |
| 15:18:52 | FrankW: | I think I'd rather not have my more interesting quotes preserved. |
| 15:20:16 | crschmidt: | Well, all quotes are preserved anyway |
| 15:20:31 | : | * crschmidt wonders what thread seven is talking about |
| 15:20:49 | FrankW: | I think the hippie thread. |
| 15:22:27 | crschmidt: | Ah. |
| 15:22:54 | tbowden: | work type threads are less interesting in a historical context |
| 15:23:13 | tbowden: | more the casual banter that has significance in later years |
| 17:52:41 | FrankW: | TylerM: Do you have any idea what to do about the service provider directory question @ info? |
| 18:05:55 | TylerM: | frankw: i suspect he didn't make the original entry |
| 18:06:00 | TylerM: | i'll follow up |
| 18:09:22 | FrankW: | Do you know how to change the controlling id? Can we do something in admin mode? |
| 18:11:44 | TylerM: | not sure at this point.. i don't think I've ever done that. |
| 18:11:52 | TylerM: | most definitely could in the db |
| 18:12:32 | FrankW: | I'm looking around in the db now. I can see how it could be done there. |
| 18:13:31 | TylerM: | i really don't think you could do it any other way |
| 18:13:36 | TylerM: | looking at it now |
| 18:13:59 | TylerM: | You can't open up any single record in the search table, right? |
| 18:14:07 | FrankW: | Not as far as I know. |
| 18:14:24 | FrankW: | Though I'd hoped the SPD could provide an edit directory for all entries if you logged in as administrator. |
| 18:14:51 | TylerM: | they aren't managed as drupal 'nodes', so it wouldn't know how to deal with it |
| 18:15:02 | TylerM: | except for displaying from custom sql. |
| 18:15:45 | TylerM: | And the "submit service provider" form is custom php / sql too : ) |
| 18:15:46 | FrankW: | I see this in the PHP: |
| 18:15:48 | FrankW: | if( ( $user->uid ) && ( $_data->MODIFIER == $user->uid ) ){ |
| 18:16:13 | FrankW: | The uid's seem to be numeric but if we knew uid's for an administrator or two we could extend the php. |
| 18:16:47 | TylerM: | hmm, i don't really follow |
| 18:17:00 | TylerM: | #1 is the system poweruser admin |
| 18:17:53 | TylerM: | Are entries even tied to users? Or does it only just check to make sure you are at least logged in before submitting? |
| 18:18:02 | FrankW: | yes, entries are tied to users. |
| 18:18:18 | TylerM: | okay, i just can't see it |
| 18:19:02 | TylerM: | if( $user->uid ){ .... just means you must be logged in |
| 18:19:22 | FrankW: | right, but it is also testing that the uid matches the MODIFIER field in the database. |
| 18:19:48 | TylerM: | ah okay.. i'm lost ;- ) |
| 18:19:55 | TylerM: | so, no, no new tricks from me : ) |
| 18:20:19 | TylerM: | I don't see how you will get to a form where you can edit though. |
| 18:20:24 | FrankW: | ok, now my account or account 1 ( administrator ) can edit any entry. |
| 18:20:36 | TylerM: | Just by resubmitting? |
| 18:21:01 | FrankW: | If you do a query it already put an edit button beside the entry you owned ( if there was one ). |
| 18:21:08 | FrankW: | Now, for me and administrator it will do this for all entries. |
| 18:21:18 | TylerM: | oh, okay, i never owned before |
| 18:22:01 | TylerM: | doesn't for me.. hmm |
| 18:22:18 | TylerM: | oh |
| 18:22:18 | FrankW: | So now, you or I can edit the Avencia entry and either delete it or delegate it to a new user. |
| 18:22:26 | FrankW: | Are you logged in as administrator? |
| 18:22:29 | TylerM: | sorry, i didn't read : ) |
| 18:22:31 | TylerM: | no i'm not : ) |
| 18:22:43 | FrankW: | Could you try doing it as administrator? |
| 18:22:47 | TylerM: | we could modify it to check for the admin group instead |
| 18:23:03 | TylerM: | .. not that i know how though ; ) |
| 18:23:03 | FrankW: | well, I don't know how to check groups, but that does seem plausible. |
| 18:23:06 | TylerM: | yes i'll try |
| 18:23:38 | FrankW: | BTW, Robert's osgeo userid is rcheetham for the purposes of delegation. |
| 18:23:39 | TylerM: | yes, edit button appears |
| 18:24:11 | FrankW: | Do you know how to search for osgeo userids? |
| 18:25:02 | TylerM: | have to be admin group at least, then you use the user search tool |
| 18:25:16 | FrankW: | ah, you have a drupal way? |
| 18:25:20 | TylerM: | /admin/user/search |
| 18:25:27 | FrankW: | I was thinking of the way indicated on http://www.osgeo.org/osgeo_userid |
| 18:25:29 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Services Userid | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 18:25:43 | FrankW: | It works for anyone though it provides very limited information on the user. |
| 18:25:43 | TylerM: | That editing still won't let you change the associated user, will it? |
| 18:25:51 | TylerM: | ah |
| 18:26:01 | FrankW: | At the bottom of the edit form is a delete item which should allow it. |
| 18:26:10 | FrankW: | delete -> delegate |
| 18:26:18 | TylerM: | cool |
| 18:26:35 | FrankW: | ok, so now there are two of us that can do admin actions if needed. |
| 18:27:19 | TylerM: | i'll try helping robert |
| 18:27:27 | FrankW: | thanks |
| 18:27:36 | FrankW: | I'll add a note on this in the SPD wiki pages. |
| 18:29:03 | TylerM: | weird, the delegate option says it can find his user name |
| 18:29:06 | TylerM: | wonder if it needs email |
| 18:29:41 | TylerM: | hmm no dice |
| 18:29:59 | FrankW: | Perhaps it is because LDAP accounts aren't proper drupal accounts? |
| 18:30:22 | TylerM: | once you log in one time, then they become a sort of copy.. in to a proper drupal account |
| 18:30:38 | FrankW: | Ah - perhaps he has never logged into Drupal? |
| 18:30:56 | TylerM: | he has an account there already though, so he must have |
| 18:31:04 | FrankW: | funky |
| 18:31:04 | TylerM: | user 387 |
| 18:31:14 | TylerM: | yeah, i'll look at the db side |
| 18:31:18 | TylerM: | see who already has that entry |
| 18:32:01 | TylerM: | could you try delegating your entry to tmitchell ?? |
| 18:32:52 | FrankW: | I get "delegate user name not found" |
| 18:33:10 | TylerM: | ok, same here |
| 18:33:23 | TylerM: | so i'm guessing that doesn't work : ) |
| 18:33:31 | FrankW: | apparently not. |
| 18:33:49 | FrankW: | Well, you can just delete the current Avencia entry and have him recreate it as himself. |
| 18:34:22 | TylerM: | done - good idea |
| 18:36:34 | FrankW: | Hmm, it seems I can't really edit other pages after all. |
| 18:36:44 | FrankW: | I get "You are not authorised to view this page" if I edit them. |
| 18:37:49 | FrankW: | ah, I just got logged out or something. |
| 18:38:32 | FrankW: | Do you know anything about a /commercial_services page? |
| 18:38:45 | FrankW: | Now when I click on "Service Providers" it takes me to that page and it says it does not exist. |
| 18:39:10 | TylerM: | why's this ringing a bell? i think there was only a mailing list for it?? |
| 18:39:16 | TylerM: | sounds like menu messed up? |
| 18:39:38 | TylerM: | hmm search_profile is busted ? :O |
| 18:39:56 | FrankW: | It's like someone has added an alias or something. |
| 18:40:09 | TylerM: | oh weird |
| 18:40:38 | FrankW: | It works fine if I go via http://www.osgeo.org/spd_help |
| 18:40:40 | sigq: | Title: Search Provider Directory Help | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 18:40:42 | TylerM: | still seeing it? |
| 18:40:47 | TylerM: | works fine from menu now :P |
| 18:42:01 | TylerM: | yes there is an alias defined for the search_profile page |
| 18:42:08 | FrankW: | Clicking directly on "Service Providers" on the left is still taking me to this non-existance commercial_services page. |
| 18:42:20 | TylerM: | I guess it's not redirecting right |
| 18:42:26 | FrankW: | Do you have any idea who would have added such an alias? Or why it only seems to have an impact sometimes? |
| 18:42:52 | TylerM: | we might have added it long ago.. it should definitely not hurt anything |
| 18:43:18 | TylerM: | there is also http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Commercial_Services |
| 18:43:20 | sigq: | Title: Commercial Services - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 18:43:50 | TylerM: | which points to the SPD, so it was probably set up back then. |
| 18:44:11 | TylerM: | web searches don't show any use of the aliased version. |
| 18:44:16 | TylerM: | i'll delete it |
| 18:44:20 | FrankW: | ok |
| 18:44:31 | FrankW: | It is stuff like this that sometimes makes me wonder about Drupal. |
| 18:44:59 | TylerM: | it's probably more to do with the type of custom php page that the search profile is |
| 18:45:06 | TylerM: | more than anything else. |
| 18:45:13 | FrankW: | why do you think that? |
| 18:45:32 | TylerM: | because these aliases usually work very well |
| 18:45:44 | TylerM: | it might have trouble rendering and then just barf or something |
| 18:45:48 | TylerM: | Just guessing! |
| 18:45:59 | FrankW: | ok, it does seems like a bit of a shot in the dark. |
| 18:46:27 | TylerM: | also i noticed it goes to http .. commercial - not https |
| 18:46:37 | FrankW: | clicking on service providers does seem to work fine now. |
| 18:46:39 | TylerM: | oh, that's probably meaningless ; ) |
| 18:46:46 | TylerM: | i got the error again |
| 18:47:01 | FrankW: | you are ending up at the commercial_services page now? |
| 18:47:07 | TylerM: | yes but with error |
| 18:47:11 | TylerM: | haven't deleted yet |
| 18:47:33 | TylerM: | deleted |
| 18:47:48 | TylerM: | seems fine |
| 18:49:23 | TylerM: | i think it barfed because it was an alias->alias->node |
| 18:49:42 | TylerM: | still inconsistent, but search_profile is an alias for node/325 |
| 18:49:57 | TylerM: | so the cascading effect might not have helped :P |
| 18:50:13 | FrankW: | I moved to a new machine, logged in and it worked ok. So I won't worry about it again unless it bites me again. |
| 18:50:16 | TylerM: | the commercial_services alias should have pointed to node/325 |
| 18:50:27 | TylerM: | well, the alias is gone, so it better not cause trouble : ) |
| 18:50:42 | TylerM: | if it fails now, it's solely due to the search_profile form |
| 20:48:14 | darkblue_B: | TylerM: hello |
| 21:25:57 | TylerM: | hi darkblue_B |
| 21:26:01 | TylerM: | how'd the poster work out? |
| 21:30:17 | darkblue_B: | hey |
| 21:30:29 | darkblue_B: | well.... people only said good things |
| 21:30:47 | darkblue_B: | but I feel it was a 0.1 :- ) |
| 21:31:07 | darkblue_B: | at least two people said.. "So what *is* OSGeo" |
| 21:31:28 | darkblue_B: | and thats a fail.. it should have the introduction phrase.. the tage line |
| 21:31:58 | darkblue_B: | and of course, the actual colors.. since I didnt print one beforehand |
| 21:32:12 | darkblue_B: | not bad, but I know I can do better |
| 21:32:17 | darkblue_B: | .. |
| 21:33:08 | darkblue_B: | I spoke with a number of people.. at least two said "Sign me up!" |
| 21:33:37 | darkblue_B: | so I could have had a more direct follow up thing.. you know, send your email HERE |
| 21:33:47 | darkblue_B: | but, it depends on the target demographic |
| 21:34:28 | darkblue_B: | if its just a casual academic.. then I feel its ok that they just look at the web site or wiki and thats all that comes of a first contact |
| 21:34:57 | darkblue_B: | its not like a commission sales situation where every .. single.. lead is worth clinging to |
| 21:35:17 | darkblue_B: | but with that said, it could have been clearer, and action item for a good lead |
| 21:35:36 | darkblue_B: | I didnt have the Cal mailing list address visible, for example |
| 21:36:19 | darkblue_B: | so maybe lose one or two who look at the site, but then dont know really what to do, or forget I said there was a Cal mailing list, or what not... |
| 21:36:34 | darkblue_B: | - but, one interesting note |
| 21:37:21 | darkblue_B: | I spoke at length with a woman who has founded the "Web 2.0 Mapping and Social Networks Group".. which is a "meetup", and is meeting at Google |
| 21:37:30 | darkblue_B: | she has **875** members |
| 21:37:46 | darkblue_B: | 400+ active, 70+ at a monthly |
| 21:37:53 | darkblue_B: | held at Google |
| 21:39:05 | darkblue_B: | So I poured on the charm, and made her laugh.. she *definitely* wants me to come present, 30-40 minutes, at one of the meetings |
| 21:40:11 | darkblue_B: | Catherine.. she is Geo trained.. from UC Berkeley |
| 21:40:18 | tbowden: | wow. sounds like it all paid off. |
| 21:40:29 | darkblue_B: | oh sure - good fun |
| 21:40:47 | darkblue_B: | better than TV ;- ) |
| 21:43:18 | tbowden: | so having done that, what sort of "marketing kit" would have helped? pre-printed banners, brochures, give-aways or what? |
| 21:44:50 | darkblue_B: | well, as above, the poster was fine ( it was a poster oriented event ) but I lacked a ) THE tag linethat describes "what it is" in 2 sentances.. and b ) a concrete followup action item |
| 21:46:16 | tbowden: | tag line as in something like "OSGeo- open source spatial solutions" on a big banner? |
| 21:47:08 | darkblue_B: | no.. more like.. OSGeo is a community of practice, and legal framework, for Open Source Geospatial software projects to be someting something etc etc... |
| 21:47:26 | darkblue_B: | the definition of what it is, in two sentances |
| 21:47:40 | tbowden: | ok |
| 21:47:53 | darkblue_B: | I got that question multiple times |
| 21:48:15 | tbowden: | mission statement distilled to a soundbite then |
| 21:48:25 | darkblue_B: | yes |
| 21:50:03 | tbowden: | http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html seems like a bit of a mouthful for dropping into convos |
| 21:50:05 | sigq: | Title: About the Open Source Geospatial Foundation | OSGeo.org ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 21:51:46 | darkblue_B: | sure.. those are good things on that page.. but I ended up making my own 2-3 sentance overview |
| 21:52:41 | darkblue_B: | somewhere between "Your Open Source Compass", and the 10 item bullet point of actual action areas |