| 07:26:32 |
threna1: |
are there osgeo meetings in berlin? |
| 08:18:13 |
steko: |
what combination of GFOSS apps could be considered as equivalent of ESRI ARCGIS Server Advanced Enterprise? |
| 08:19:17 |
crschmidt: |
ncd You might need to describe a list of things that you're loking at, since most of us probably have no idea what that is |
| 08:19:23 |
crschmidt: |
or point to a feature list on the web, perhaps |
| 08:20:24 |
steko: |
crschmidt: I have no idea myself of what ESRI super-tastic GIS does ... that's why I was asking! : ) |
| 08:21:35 |
crschmidt: |
Er, you're asking a bunch of Open Source developers what features a piece of proprietary software has? |
| 08:23:44 |
steko: |
no, I'm asking if someone roughly knows what a piece of PS does, to understand if I can work to promote GFOSS software instead of it |
| 08:25:14 |
steko: |
just think of it as a more difficult version of "What is the GFOSS version of Google Maps API?" ... you know the answer for sure |
| 08:25:45 |
crschmidt: |
"There isn't one" |
| 08:34:02 |
springmeyer: |
steko: you can grab the 'arcgis server functionality matrix' of the web in pdf form |
| 08:34:50 |
springmeyer: |
that is the document that actually says what esri stuff does in a somewhat rational form, and they produce it for their desktop stuff and server stuff for each release |
| 08:35:33 |
steko: |
springmeyer: so I could just replace each slot with the corresponding OSGeo stuff... |
| 08:35:58 |
springmeyer: |
I mention that because even he you cornered someone who was super familiar with both the ArcGIS server stack and the OSGEO stack |
| 08:36:24 |
springmeyer: |
depending on the license level of the esri stuff you'd not be able to even begin to talk apples to oranges |
| 08:36:59 |
steko: |
sure, you're right.. it's so difficult to understand the proprietary universe for me |
| 08:37:33 |
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* springmeyer ducks |
| 08:37:52 |
springmeyer: |
( psst.... that is somewhat intentional ) |
| 08:38:39 |
springmeyer: |
http://os.umbrellaconsulting.com/wiki/ArcGisDesktopComparison |
| 08:38:40 |
sigq: |
Title: ArcGisDesktopComparison - trac_os - Trac ( at os.umbrellaconsulting.com ) |
| 08:39:23 |
springmeyer: |
that was my one-of quick attempt to take 'that PDF' for the desktop stuff and __try__ to start making a bit of sense of it |
| 08:40:25 |
springmeyer: |
but I quickly gave up because it was not going to be a quick thing to do well |
| 08:40:33 |
steko: |
yes, I would need basically the very same thing for the server world |
| 08:40:59 |
steko: |
but I'm not alone and I guess something similar could be made |
| 08:41:29 |
steko: |
all this stuff is needed because we're lobbying against our government statistical office |
| 08:42:34 |
steko: |
they've decided to buy 3 licenses of that Server Enterprise Proprietary Stuff ( 180k € ) without even bothering to make a comparison with other solutions |
| 08:44:38 |
springmeyer: |
so they did not factor in staff well being? : ) |
| 08:45:27 |
steko: |
not at all I would say! |
| 09:39:54 |
TylerM: |
mpg: cascadia chapter wasn't approved yet, was it? |
| 09:40:19 |
mpg: |
Umm, you tell me? |
| 09:40:19 |
TylerM: |
I missed a board meeting, but I don't think there was one since the application came in. |
| 09:40:25 |
TylerM: |
ok : ) |
| 09:40:35 |
mpg: |
racicot: ping! |
| 09:40:44 |
TylerM: |
i'm pretty sure not.. |
| 09:40:49 |
mpg: |
he'd know, I think he's tracking this |
| 09:40:49 |
TylerM: |
adding to next agenda regardless : ) |
| 09:40:54 |
mpg: |
thanx |
| 09:41:14 |
racicot: |
TylerM: yes, it needs to be reviewed at the next board meeting |
| 09:41:47 |
TylerM: |
great.. it's officially on the agenda now http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2008-12-05 |
| 09:41:48 |
sigq: |
Title: Board Meeting 2008-12-05 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 09:41:49 |
TylerM: |
thx |
| 09:42:15 |
racicot: |
fyi.. the official request: http://n2.nabble.com/%22Cascadia%22-chapter-formation-td1518147.html#a1518147 |
| 09:42:16 |
sigq: |
Title: Nabble - OSGeo Board - "Cascadia" chapter formation ( at n2.nabble.com ) |
| 09:42:28 |
TylerM: |
yes, just adding that too : ) |
| 09:43:48 |
racicot: |
mpg: btw, sorry I have been so silent on the mini conference stuff... I have been way distracted. I think I agree that at this point we back off and shoot for something smaller... maybe a sprint/unconference type thing with smaller target audience. |
| 09:45:59 |
mpg: |
understood, agreed |
| 09:52:33 |
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* mpg hums Happy Birthday and buys his own present: http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/laptop/coder |
| 09:52:34 |
sigq: |
Title: Timbuk2 Bags - Timbuk2 ( at www.timbuk2.com ) |
| 09:53:32 |
racicot: |
well, happy b-day! |
| 10:46:47 |
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* nhv continues to resist getting drawn into the 'very interesting' "Double Ellipsoid" aka thread on the proj list |
| 10:47:02 |
nhv: |
http://lists.maptools.org/pipermail/proj/2008-December/subject.html |
| 10:47:03 |
sigq: |
Title: The Proj December 2008 Archive by subject ( at lists.maptools.org ) |
| 12:38:19 |
sigq: |
osgeofeed: Ticket #309 ( task closed ): Transfer DNS for geotools.org to OSGeo control <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/309#comment:21> |
| 12:58:34 |
TylerM: |
mpg: I was just at a meeting and .sid question came up. it's been a while since I used it, but how easy is it to add .sid to gdal as a plugin these days? and on linux in particular. |
| 12:59:08 |
mpg: |
very easy -- I don't have the deailts off hand, but it's just a configure switch |
| 13:01:50 |
TylerM: |
i assume there are binaries of gdal already supporting it, but are they shipping with all needed libs or do you have to go grab them still from lizardtech site? |
| 13:02:10 |
TylerM: |
i'm thinking of those who won't be compiling : ) |
| 13:03:58 |
mpg: |
legally Frank can redistrib them, for precisely that reason, but I don't know if the fwtools build includes them |
| 13:04:23 |
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* mpg looks around and doesn't see FrankW |
| 13:04:38 |
crschmidt: |
FWTools has always included MrSID support when I use it |
| 13:04:48 |
crschmidt: |
of course, I'm pretty sure I violate the MrSID license by using it, but. |
| 13:05:20 |
mpg: |
no, no crschmidt is perfectly legal, no worries |
| 13:05:59 |
mpg: |
I've tried hard over the past couple years to loosen up our decoder licensing so anyone can do it w/ no restrictions |
| 13:06:18 |
mpg: |
everything but open sourcing the decoder itself :-( |
| 13:24:24 |
TylerM: |
mpg: cool thanks for the update |
| 13:24:43 |
TylerM: |
fwiw, that's the scenario I told these users |
| 13:54:40 |
TylerM: |
mpg: happen to know if ecw support is just as easy? |
| 13:55:01 |
mpg: |
sorry, no idea |
| 13:55:15 |
TylerM: |
k thx : ) |
| 13:55:25 |
mpg: |
they're the competition! |
| 13:55:27 |
TylerM: |
i have faint memories of it being that easy : ) |
| 13:55:38 |
TylerM: |
oh, i'm very clear on that part ;- ) |
| 13:55:54 |
mpg: |
licensing issues for the ECW code might still be tricky |