| 01:45:04 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #350 ( enhancement created ): Private paste service at osgeo.pastebin.com <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/350> |
| 13:06:08 | springmeyer: | Mapnik 0.6.0 is out in the wild: http://mapnik.org/news/ |
| 13:06:09 | sigq: | Title: Mapnik C++/Python GIS Toolkit ( at mapnik.org ) |
| 14:32:36 | CIA-12: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1462 /journal/volume_5/en-us/ ( 46 files in 4 dirs ): main reports submitted |
| 14:32:37 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1462]: main reports submitted <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1462> |
| 15:26:11 | doa: | I can the math; yet, I don't know where to find decent projection or shape files for free |
| 15:27:59 | doa: | looking for vector layers of ontario |
| 15:32:36 | doa: | is anybody actually here or willing to answer questions? |
| 15:32:45 | wildintellect: | relax it takes time |
| 15:33:00 | wildintellect: | most people are here, but also at work |
| 15:33:47 | doa: | I am looking for opensource marcator projection tiles and vector layers; yet, I don't know where to start. |
| 15:34:52 | wildintellect: | why mercator? you trying to match it to google or something? |
| 15:35:59 | doa: | match it to google? |
| 15:36:05 | doa: | I am very new to this |
| 15:36:33 | doa: | I thought google used utm |
| 15:37:27 | wildintellect: | google tiles in spherical mercator |
| 15:37:36 | wildintellect: | let's start over, what are you actually trying to do |
| 15:38:03 | doa: | flash application that can tell people where opensource conferences are taking place |
| 15:38:11 | doa: | and visually display them |
| 15:38:59 | doa: | I need resources to be free |
| 15:39:06 | doa: | open source |
| 15:39:17 | wildintellect: | ah ok, so you want a basemap - do you want air photos or street data? |
| 15:39:30 | doa: | both perferably |
| 15:39:31 | wildintellect: | if you want OS why Flash? |
| 15:40:02 | doa: | I am a flash developer |
| 15:40:10 | doa: | as3 |
| 15:40:27 | doa: | and I can make things more interactive |
| 15:40:48 | doa: | I can do it with ajax; yet, why put myself through the hassle |
| 15:41:10 | wildintellect: | well I've heard theres a flash port of openlayers |
| 15:41:30 | wildintellect: | http://openlayers.org/ |
| 15:41:32 | sigq: | Title: OpenLayers: Home ( at openlayers.org ) |
| 15:44:24 | doa: | I have postal code data and there latitude and longitude info; I wanted a mercator projection as it would be as simple as ploting x and y |
| 15:44:40 | doa: | I am looking at what you have suggested |
| 15:44:49 | wildintellect: | doa, http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/index.html and openstreetmap.org have the data you probably want |
| 15:44:50 | sigq: | Title: The Atlas of Canada - Explore Our Maps ( at atlas.nrcan.gc.ca ) |
| 15:45:40 | wildintellect: | I suggest you do it for real, most lat/lon is in WGS84, and mercator is not as simple as x,y plotting |
| 15:49:23 | doa: | are there any complete walk through tutorials from the ground up? |
| 15:50:25 | wildintellect: | mostly just the example page for openlayers, http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/ and the irc room #openlayers |
| 15:50:26 | sigq: | Title: OpenLayers Examples ( at openlayers.org ) |
| 15:53:19 | doa: | I am looking to learn how to do it all from start to finish. I am pretty good with math, so it doesn't need to be dumbed down too much. I will start with what you have suggested and see where that takes me. |
| 16:02:42 | doa: | Are there any steps to learning all of this that you think I should take |
| 16:02:44 | doa: | ? |
| 16:03:24 | wildintellect: | start with a simple example and build up |
| 16:04:52 | springmeyer: | doa: modestmaps has some flex/flash stuff going on you might check that out |
| 16:05:43 | springmeyer: | one question you'll face is whether you need to serve your own basemap tiles - and modestmap/openlayers are just set up to read tiles in not serve them |
| 16:07:20 | doa: | serving is not an issue and I would prefer to serve them myself |
| 16:08:32 | springmeyer: | okay then also look into a rendering engine ( like mapserver, geoserver, or mapnik ) |
| 16:11:00 | doa: | why a rendering engine? If I have the tiles would it be too difficult to just server different zoom levels and overlay them? |
| 16:11:32 | doa: | I meant serve different images per zoom level? |
| 16:12:08 | doa: | as well, if it is vector based info, than I can handle that in flash. |
| 16:12:19 | springmeyer: | to create the tiles from your data |
| 16:12:39 | springmeyer: | right, or skip rendering to bitmap and handle directly in flash |
| 16:14:30 | springmeyer: | but you'll perhaps need to simplify the vectors since a lot of gis data will be too large to keep as vectors |
| 16:14:48 | springmeyer: | for example I worked on this gis -> flash project: |
| 16:14:50 | springmeyer: | http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/msc/tool/index.html |
| 16:14:51 | sigq: | Title: msc ( at www.stateofthesalmon.org ) |
| 16:15:23 | springmeyer: | we had to simplify the vector shapefiles before going to svg for flash |
| 16:21:36 | doa: | that is a nifty application what was your process?... what projection is that? where did you get the gis data, and how did you go about matching the tiles? why svg? |
| 16:23:22 | springmeyer: | sure... |
| 16:23:28 | springmeyer: | overall is was a custom app and we didn't need to use any other data but our own |
| 16:23:50 | springmeyer: | so since we did not need say, to overlay data on google tiles, we were not restricted in projection |
| 16:24:17 | springmeyer: | so we used a custom mercator projection that spans the pacific |
| 16:24:45 | doa: | custom? |
| 16:25:14 | springmeyer: | the gis data is publically available hydrological data from the USGS and various states and BC |
| 16:25:54 | springmeyer: | svg was the intermediate format to go between shapefiles ( gis vectors ) and the flash app |
| 16:26:51 | springmeyer: | this was not the exact one used, but close: http://spatialreference.org/ref/sr-org/north-pacific-albers-conic-equal-area/ |
| 16:26:55 | sigq: | Title: North Pacific Albers Conic Equal Area : SR-ORG Projection -- Spatial Reference ( at spatialreference.org ) |
| 16:26:56 | springmeyer: | ( the albers version ) |
| 16:27:49 | doa: | why svg to flash and not directly? |
| 16:27:54 | springmeyer: | I say custom because 99% of maps on the web use the Spherical Mercator projection |
| 16:27:55 | springmeyer: | http://spatialreference.org/ref/sr-org/6/ |
| 16:27:58 | sigq: | Title: Google Projection: SR-ORG Projection -- Spatial Reference ( at spatialreference.org ) |
| 16:28:20 | springmeyer: | directly? you mean why not read in shapefiles directly? |
| 16:28:31 | doa: | yes |
| 16:28:56 | springmeyer: | because our flash team had no idea how to work with them : ) |
| 16:29:28 | doa: | oh... |
| 16:29:28 | springmeyer: | read them, edit them, style them, etc |
| 16:29:54 | doa: | I will have to learn about the structure of the shape file I guess |
| 16:31:23 | springmeyer: | well, if you really want to : ) why not covert it to something you're more familiar with? |
| 16:32:45 | springmeyer: | doa: their are some sample quebec shapefile here if you want something to play with: |
| 16:32:46 | springmeyer: | http://svn.mapnik.org/trunk/demo/data/ |
| 16:32:47 | sigq: | Title: / - Revision 1069: /trunk/demo/data ( at svn.mapnik.org ) |
| 16:33:08 | springmeyer: | they are used to create the map here: http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/WindowsInstallation |
| 16:33:09 | sigq: | Title: WindowsInstallation – Mapnik Wiki & Documentation – Trac ( at trac.mapnik.org ) |
| 16:33:28 | doa: | because I am not familiar with svg..... I will deffinetly play, thank you |
| 16:34:01 | doa: | definitely will check that out |
| 16:37:39 | doa: | I will probably be back here to ask a ton more questions... thanks for the start |
| 16:38:14 | springmeyer: | np, see you later |
| 16:38:45 | doa: | thanks... just trying to figure out how to save the transcript in mirc |
| 16:39:52 | springmeyer: | or just bookmark: |
| 16:39:53 | springmeyer: | http://logs.qgis.org/osgeo/%23osgeo.2009-04-01.log |
| 16:39:54 | sigq: | Title: IRC Log - #OSGEO ( at logs.qgis.org ) |
| 16:42:57 | doa: | I was just figuring out how to save a log file with mirc when you posted it... brilliant thank you copied and pasted. |
| 16:45:38 | doa: | take care |
| 22:04:41 | TylerM: | -------- One hour to Marketing Meeting ------------ |
| 22:23:41 | wildintellect: | ah good so I'm up for a reason |
| 22:27:55 | TylerM: | hi wildintellect - all recovered from last week? |
| 22:28:30 | wildintellect: | sorta, I was literally sick and it's gonna follow me for a while since it's breathing related |
| 22:28:47 | TylerM: | guh.. stuffy auditorium? ; ) |
| 22:29:09 | wildintellect: | well at least I don't have to try and be on a panel while loosing my voice now |
| 22:29:19 | TylerM: | ugh.. yeah |
| 22:29:25 | TylerM: | instead you lose your voice afterwards? |
| 22:29:45 | wildintellect: | it's actually a bug from my housemates, so not too much of a mystery |
| 22:32:57 | wildintellect: | so we have a booth reservation for next year already - they'll nag you in a few months to pay if we actually want it |
| 22:33:29 | wildintellect: | I told ajturner he was in charge of raising local funds for it |
| 22:34:34 | wildintellect: | he seemed to think it would be easy - we just need to work out how to accept the money before then |
| 22:34:47 | TylerM: | sounds good |
| 22:38:53 | ajturner: | yes, TylerM I'm surprised that local chapters are required to create organizations and bank accts just to receive donations for large conferences |
| 22:40:07 | TylerM: | hi andrew.. yes it something we were discussing.. certainly not a done deal. this is really the first instance of a chapter wanting to do it |
| 22:40:45 | ajturner: | I do'nt think it will be difficult getting funding for DC - just not confident that we'll have ( or need ) bank accounts and formal 501c3 organization in place |
| 22:41:10 | TylerM: | creating an org and bank account was not the only option, but would be a new direction that needs some discussion |
| 22:41:38 | TylerM: | wildintellect: you told him that too didn't you? : ) |
| 22:41:51 | TylerM: | we talked about a lot of options |
| 22:42:05 | ajturner: | TylerM: perhaps I misheard, I thought that was a _requirement_ - but if it's just an option, that's great |
| 22:42:28 | wildintellect: | I'm not sure how much we discussed it |
| 22:42:33 | TylerM: | okay, cool |
| 22:42:49 | TylerM: | not an issue until someone has a check on the way ; ) |
| 22:42:54 | wildintellect: | but yes CA is hoping to avoid setting up our own stuff |
| 22:43:12 | wildintellect: | well we need to setup something - we've been holding off on asking |
| 22:43:46 | wildintellect: | for $ cause we weren't 100% clear on how to explain it to donors in the letter |
| 22:43:48 | TylerM: | ajturner: it's more an issue when/if a chapter wants to have OSGeo handle various finances on their behalf.. as opposed to just passing the funds off to bolster marketing costs for an event. |
| 22:49:00 | ajturner: | k - |
| 22:49:06 | ajturner: | will chat more 'bout it later |
| 22:56:01 | : | * TylerM looks around for anyone other than wildintellect and himself ... |
| 22:56:24 | wildintellect: | maybe we need to adjust the meeting times |
| 22:56:34 | wildintellect: | it should only get better for us |
| 22:56:34 | TylerM: | heh yeah possibly |
| 22:58:21 | TylerM: | we'll give them a few minutes.. unless you nod off : ) |
| 22:58:30 | TylerM: | I don't have a lot to report except to show some stuff |
| 23:02:56 | TylerM: | good morning _wolf_ and yjacolin : ) |
| 23:03:14 | TylerM: | wildintellect: I think we're done.. you and I can catch up on our own ( more convenient ) time |
| 23:03:18 | wildintellect: | TylerM, here's the floorplan for next year http://wiki.osgeo.org/images/8/86/Aag2010floorplan.pdf |
| 23:03:34 | : | <_wolf_> good morning TylerM |
| 23:03:42 | yjacolin: | good morning Tyler : ) |
| 23:03:52 | TylerM: | i have to say hello since I'm usually asleep by now ; ) |
| 23:04:38 | yjacolin: | hehe : ) |
| 23:05:16 | yjacolin: | TylerM: does the vol 5 of the journal is ready to move to LaTeX? i did not check since last week |
| 23:05:35 | TylerM: | no - definitely not |
| 23:05:41 | TylerM: | working on it this week still |
| 23:05:45 | : | <_wolf_> TylerM: did you see the request to advertise on osgeo.org? |
| 23:05:52 | TylerM: | hmm, not yet |
| 23:05:59 | TylerM: | trying to avoid email and go to bed instead : ) |
| 23:06:27 | wildintellect: | I thought it interesting, and figured we'd have to discuss here |
| 23:06:43 | wildintellect: | the short someone wants to pay for text ads on our page |
| 23:07:24 | TylerM: | heh... hate it when that happens |
| 23:07:56 | TylerM: | anyway.. unless there is anything urgent, i'd rather hit the sac |
| 23:08:26 | wildintellect: | I'm good |
| 23:08:33 | TylerM: | et faire mon lit... |
| 23:08:47 | wildintellect: | _wolf_, I did a SOC info night at my university yesterday |
| 23:08:50 | TylerM: | okay, thanks for coming wildintellect |
| 23:09:01 | TylerM: | I really do want to catch up with you : ) |
| 23:09:12 | : | <_wolf_> wildintellect: cool. How did it go? |
| 23:09:17 | wildintellect: | I'll be around a lot TylerM |
| 23:09:23 | TylerM: | great... |
| 23:09:40 | : | <_wolf_> good night TylerM : ) |
| 23:09:44 | wildintellect: | _wolf_, small turnout but positive response |
| 23:09:56 | wildintellect: | I think we need to start talking with students much earlier |
| 23:10:02 | : | <_wolf_> wildintellect: do you think it will result in any proposals? |
| 23:10:16 | : | <_wolf_> wildintellect: yes for sure. In February or so |
| 23:10:23 | wildintellect: | Landon from OpenJump came and had a couple people talk to him afterwards |
| 23:10:28 | : | <_wolf_> it is hard to get people to think of summer in jan/feb |
| 23:10:41 | : | <_wolf_> cool |
| 23:11:01 | wildintellect: | these students seemed into it - just didn't know what projects they really wanted to work with |
| 23:11:13 | wildintellect: | I had a mentor from Plone there too |
| 23:11:30 | : | <_wolf_> well we have pretty much everything from low level C to javascript |
| 23:11:39 | : | <_wolf_> cool |
| 23:11:56 | wildintellect: | I know that, but finding people who want to do geospatial vs other stuff is tricky |
| 23:12:28 | wildintellect: | one tri-lingual student wanted to work on translation engines |
| 23:12:40 | wildintellect: | I wasn't sure if any OSGeo projects needed that right now |
| 23:18:27 | : | <_wolf_> yes, oddly people don't realize that geospatial is the future |