| 00:13:10 | SmokeyD: | _wolf_: I think I am going anyway. I am in NL, but I'd really like to go |
| 00:13:25 | : | <_wolf_> cool :D |
| 00:13:29 | SmokeyD: | _wolf_: I guessed you were german though, from your name |
| 00:13:29 | SmokeyD: | : ) |
| 00:13:45 | : | <_wolf_> SmokeyD: Many people do : ) |
| 00:14:07 | SmokeyD: | I guess that is because I don't know or speak finish very well : ) |
| 00:14:28 | SmokeyD: | I think the conference is a good opportunity to see what is going on and meet interesting people as well |
| 00:18:37 | Testbaudson: | sorry, I have a SAC related question... |
| 00:18:50 | Testbaudson: | a user on mapbender_user inquired, if a posting could be deleted |
| 00:19:45 | Testbaudson: | he mentioned an URL that was supposed to be private |
| 00:20:26 | Testbaudson: | is that possible |
| 00:20:29 | Testbaudson: | ? |
| 02:16:10 | alesarrett: | Hi all, I would activate the possibility to use SpatiaLite inside QGIS. There is already this possibility? Can someone help me? |
| 02:18:10 | darkblue_B: | I was just looking at spatialite.. I am wondering if FDO RFC 16 provider means only FDO, or other apps can make that connection |
| 02:18:32 | mloskot: | FDO provider is for FDO |
| 02:18:42 | mloskot: | if an application uses FDO, it can use FDO providers |
| 02:18:49 | darkblue_B: | are there any ? |
| 02:18:54 | mloskot: | the same way as |
| 02:18:57 | mloskot: | ODBC driver is for ODBC |
| 02:18:59 | darkblue_B: | .. applications that use FDO providers |
| 02:19:05 | mloskot: | if your app uses ODBC, then it can use particular ODBC driver |
| 02:19:18 | mloskot: | Autodesk AutoCAD, Map 3D |
| 02:19:20 | mloskot: | MapGuide |
| 02:20:05 | darkblue_B: | alesarrett: it appears the connections are limited |
| 02:20:18 | darkblue_B: | to a couple apps |
| 02:21:08 | darkblue_B: | someone could write C or something else? to spatialite and make a plugin for QGis I suppose |
| 02:21:16 | mloskot: | http://fdo.osgeo.org/content/products-using-fdo |
| 02:21:17 | sigq: | Title: Products Using FDO | FDO ( at fdo.osgeo.org ) |
| 02:21:44 | alesarrett: | darkblue: I'm sorry, I don't understand... |
| 02:22:46 | darkblue_B: | you want a QGis plugin that uses spatialite? |
| 02:22:57 | : | * mloskot sees no point, why not just dump spatialite to postgis and use it with most widely available apps |
| 02:23:07 | darkblue_B: | spatialite can write out shp files |
| 02:23:14 | darkblue_B: | right to postgis? |
| 02:23:24 | darkblue_B: | how to do that? |
| 02:24:49 | darkblue_B: | does the ogr2ogr sqlite just work then? |
| 02:25:31 | darkblue_B: | hmmm I guess so.. since they are implemented as basic SQLite types |
| 02:26:18 | alesarrett: | I think that someone is working on including spatialite in QGIS in trunk... but i'm not sure |
| 02:26:21 | mloskot: | spatialite -> shapefile -> postgis |
| 02:26:41 | darkblue_B: | well then you would no longer be using spatialite |
| 02:27:03 | alesarrett: | I was waiting for an update of QGIS inside osgeo4w with spatialite included. Am I in error? |
| 02:27:10 | darkblue_B: | the QGis thing is not my suggestion.. I think the advantage of spatialite is that it is a standalone thing |
| 02:27:12 | mloskot: | darkblue_B: that's what I'm saying, i can't see any point in investing time to develop drivers for spatialite when there is postgis |
| 02:27:22 | mloskot: | dump data to postgis and you will have all what you need |
| 02:27:27 | mloskot: | what's the point on using spatialite |
| 02:27:33 | darkblue_B: | its for a desktop application |
| 02:27:43 | darkblue_B: | something double-click'able |
| 02:27:50 | mloskot: | ok |
| 02:27:51 | alesarrett: | spatialite contains all your data and relations in a unique file |
| 02:27:57 | darkblue_B: | no Pg server needed |
| 02:28:11 | chippy: | portable too |
| 02:28:17 | darkblue_B: | well one file is a convenience |
| 02:28:32 | darkblue_B: | Pg can be backed up, but its another story |
| 02:28:53 | darkblue_B: | I like Virtual Box - my whole OS is one file :- ) |
| 02:29:23 | mloskot: | darkblue_B: it's not about listing all nice and fancy use cases you can imagine |
| 02:29:35 | darkblue_B: | why not ? :- ) |
| 02:29:46 | mloskot: | if you have plenty of time and skills, just go for it |
| 02:29:54 | mloskot: | if not, you have to think of real business first |
| 02:30:12 | darkblue_B: | do I have to ? |
| 02:30:13 | mloskot: | how to attract others so they put in money and fund development of ie. OGR driver for spatialite |
| 02:30:37 | mloskot: | otherwise, we will end up on oh'ing and ah'ing how it would be cool to have this and that |
| 02:30:39 | darkblue_B: | so you say the sqlite driver wont connect to it then? |
| 02:30:48 | mloskot: | you don't get me |
| 02:30:49 | darkblue_B: | in ogr2ogr |
| 02:31:00 | mloskot: | darkblue_B: I'm not saying that |
| 02:31:05 | jef: | spatialite is in qgis core in trunk. |
| 02:31:25 | mloskot: | not to mention it would take 2 minutes to check if you can connec to spatialite |
| 02:31:32 | mloskot: | shorter we are talking 5 minutes |
| 02:31:38 | darkblue_B: | yes ok.. |
| 02:31:59 | mloskot: | I mean, that I can't see point to implement all the coolest things we are able to think about |
| 02:32:11 | mloskot: | I mean, it makes sense to implement things that people will use |
| 02:32:16 | mloskot: | and if they will use for serious job |
| 02:32:36 | mloskot: | then it makes sense, there is a business and potential for funds to develop it in future |
| 02:32:56 | mloskot: | otherwise, it's one shot development: implement -> announce on a blog -> let it to die |
| 02:33:01 | mloskot: | as 99% of FOSS |
| 02:35:53 | darkblue_B: | mr mloskot, I understand your thought there.. |
| 02:36:11 | mloskot: | s/mr// |
| 02:36:19 | darkblue_B: | but perhaps there are more use cases than you imagine |
| 02:36:51 | mloskot: | I'm sure there are zillions of use cases, but is there a market? |
| 02:37:00 | darkblue_B: | not everyone does spatial analysis |
| 02:37:32 | darkblue_B: | the humorous thing about what you are saying is.. the markets for engineers tools are tiny |
| 02:37:49 | darkblue_B: | while the markets for the most ordinary consumer electronics are huge |
| 02:38:18 | mloskot: | and tell me what a non-GIS person would like to do with spatialite database and QGIS? |
| 02:38:21 | darkblue_B: | I think you are saying "serious work" => engineering analysis, survey work |
| 02:38:27 | darkblue_B: | :- ) |
| 02:38:30 | mloskot: | Load it to show shape of his country to his grandma? |
| 02:38:41 | darkblue_B: | thats why its important to have a double clickable app |
| 02:38:50 | darkblue_B: | then the spatial data is a background |
| 02:38:56 | mloskot: | Such users don't care of even learning tools like qgis and the other big-ass projects exist |
| 02:38:58 | darkblue_B: | to the utility of the application |
| 02:39:07 | mloskot: | they use bloody google stuff |
| 02:39:09 | darkblue_B: | they dont learn gis, that is the whole pint |
| 02:39:12 | darkblue_B: | point |
| 02:39:22 | darkblue_B: | yes, google serves broader consumer services |
| 02:39:35 | darkblue_B: | you think google has already invented every utility for a consumer? |
| 02:39:38 | mloskot: | Anyway, I'm just sharing my point |
| 02:39:47 | darkblue_B: | I thinnk you are hearing me now |
| 02:39:47 | mloskot: | I've seen too many wasted man-power around |
| 02:39:53 | darkblue_B: | sure yes |
| 02:39:59 | mloskot: | I use google not Google |
| 02:40:42 | mloskot: | google as term on all the Web 2.X, all the mobilized fancy tools, flick'red, muchup'ed and other stuff I hardly understand what they are for |
| 02:40:46 | mloskot: | :- ) |
| 02:47:34 | darkblue_B: | I seem to need readline-dev or something to build spatialite |
| 03:53:38 | nass: | Hi |
| 03:54:27 | nass: | I am encountering a problem with GDAL plugin developement,using GDAL lib delivered by OSG4W,can anyone help me? |
| 03:54:47 | nass: | Seems to be a link/lib problem |
| 03:56:09 | mloskot: | nass: -> #gdal |
| 03:56:19 | mloskot: | and don;t fortet to paste error messages if any to rafb.net/paste |
| 03:58:13 | nass: | okay,thank you |
| 04:01:04 | nass: | By the way,I am not sure that the problem come from gdal,but more on the lib delivered by OSGEO4W |
| 04:01:47 | nass: | It is not a compilation problem or something like this,the module seems to be "missaligned" or does not match with the one used for compilation |
| 05:03:20 | jef: | markusN: yes. |
| 05:04:39 | markusN: | jef: done |
| 05:12:14 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #353 ( task created ): Delete thread from Mapbender mailinglist <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/353> |
| 05:40:22 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #353 ( task closed ): Delete thread from Mapbender mailinglist <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/353#comment:1> |
| 07:36:11 | darkblue_B: | TylerM: you got the email for the CGIA mtg note? |
| 07:39:34 | TylerM: | yes i did.. are you looking for some follow up? |
| 07:40:08 | darkblue_B: | well we are supposed to send an edited version to that secratary |
| 07:40:52 | darkblue_B: | .. for inclusion in the minutes |
| 07:42:07 | TylerM: | okay, will have a look.. i'm in the middle of writing up something else right now |
| 08:06:45 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1473]: on screen view of brochure <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1473> |
| 08:07:24 | CIA-12: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1473 /marketing/brochures/draft_2009/OSGeo_Brochure_1_flip.pdf: on screen view of brochure |
| 08:49:01 | Amerzel: | Does anyone know how to create a polyline without the fill in mapstraction from a set of latlon points? Thanks. |
| 08:49:50 | Amerzel: | I don't see where you can take out the fill using polyline and I don't see anything about typical standard lines. Or if anyone knows a better place to ask that would be great as well. |
| 08:51:38 | crschmidt: | a polyline generally doesn't *have* a fill -- it has only a stroke/strokeWidth |
| 08:51:49 | Amerzel: | That's what I thought too. |
| 08:51:58 | Amerzel: | but all my lines have a fill... like ... |
| 08:52:05 | Amerzel: | http://portal.its.pdx.edu/~whitenej/portal/testarea/maptest/map.php |
| 08:52:06 | sigq: | Title: James' Map Testing ( at portal.its.pdx.edu ) |
| 08:52:07 | Amerzel: | for example |
| 08:52:07 | crschmidt: | They have a non-1 px strokeWidth |
| 08:52:12 | crschmidt: | i assume |
| 08:52:16 | crschmidt: | oh |
| 08:52:16 | crschmidt: | hm |
| 08:52:26 | crschmidt: | well, no |
| 08:52:28 | crschmidt: | that's not a fill |
| 08:52:31 | Amerzel: | what is it? |
| 08:52:38 | crschmidt: | you've got 100 or so lines |
| 08:52:44 | crschmidt: | crossing back and forth from one side to the other |
| 08:52:48 | crschmidt: | and the end result looks like a fill |
| 08:52:52 | Amerzel: | oh hmm |
| 08:53:05 | crschmidt: | ( It actually looks like buggy data, to be honest. ) |
| 08:53:21 | Amerzel: | The points should be all along the highway |
| 08:53:30 | crschmidt: | Right, they are, but not in order along the highway. |
| 08:53:39 | Amerzel: | Ahh ok |
| 08:53:52 | crschmidt: | It looks as if you looped over the line, and took a point from each end, and put them in a line |
| 08:54:10 | Amerzel: | That actually might be true, but now I know what to look for. Thanks :- ) |
| 08:54:27 | crschmidt: | the first point is next to the third point is next to the fifth point; the second point is next to the fourth point is next to the 6th point |
| 08:54:49 | Amerzel: | What are you using to tell that so easily? |
| 08:55:06 | crschmidt: | I'm reading the lat/lons |
| 08:56:14 | crschmidt: | It's also visibly obvious when you zoom in |
| 08:57:02 | Amerzel: | Thanks so much. Now I'm pointed in the right direction :- ) |
| 08:57:29 | crschmidt: | Though, if history serves, you may bounce back and forth a bit from side to side : ) |
| 08:57:39 | Amerzel: | lol, very true |
| 08:57:49 | Amerzel: | I didn't record the points but now I have to make sure they are in some kind of order |
| 09:00:24 | Amerzel: | okay much better :- ) |
| 10:56:21 | HyperJohnGraham_: | hi all |
| 10:57:30 | HyperJohnGraham_: | the irc.telascience.org CGI was found by the borg so I changed the name of the CGI to toss the invaders |
| 10:58:11 | HyperJohnGraham_: | if you go to the website it will redirect to the correct cgi |
| 10:58:21 | HyperJohnGraham_: | hope this works : ) |
| 13:47:46 | wildint: | ping, TylerM or anyone else who wants to talk about folder structure in the OSGeo marketing svn |
| 14:34:20 | TylerM: | wildint: ha - what's up? |
| 14:34:35 | wildint: | I've got that draft sponorship letter |
| 14:34:54 | wildint: | and I feel like I need to put it in svn so it's more available for people to work with |
| 14:35:08 | wildint: | since it's an odt, sla and png |
| 14:35:17 | wildint: | but the question is where |
| 14:35:41 | TylerM: | how about /marketing/sponsors or /local/sponsors |
| 14:35:51 | wildint: | that's kinda what I was thinking |
| 14:35:55 | TylerM: | make new local folder would make sense.. |
| 14:36:10 | wildint: | marketing/sponsors/letters/CA-sponsor-request-template/ |
| 14:36:22 | TylerM: | works foe me |
| 14:36:23 | TylerM: | for |
| 14:37:05 | wildint: | or marketing/sponsors/California/ |
| 14:37:20 | wildint: | or marketing/sponsors/California/letters/ |
| 14:38:42 | wildint: | maybe even marketing/sponsors/letters/California/ |
| 14:39:35 | TylerM: | simpler the better : ) |
| 14:39:46 | wildint: | TylerM, a little tricky - would it make more sense to group by chapter or by type of thing? |
| 14:39:59 | wildint: | I think it's between |
| 14:40:01 | TylerM: | i'd name the file after the chapter and keep the folders general |
| 14:40:09 | wildint: | 1. marketing/sponsors/letters/California/ |
| 14:40:20 | wildint: | 2. marketing/sponsors/California/letters/ |
| 14:43:05 | wildint: | hmm, always tricky in svn deciding how many folder level to use- I guess I'm wondering if the chapter is going to need a central place for all chapter docs at some point |
| 14:43:13 | wildint: | but that might be somewhere else |
| 14:45:00 | TylerM: | how about /local/california/... then whatever you want : ) |
| 14:45:27 | wildint: | under sponsors or marketing? |
| 14:45:44 | wildint: | or are you talking top level of the svn |
| 14:50:52 | TylerM: | yeah top level.. unless there is one already : ) |
| 14:55:54 | wildint: | there's a community folder |
| 14:56:03 | wildint: | but not really sure what that was meant for |
| 14:56:48 | TylerM: | this is the most discussion there has been on folders.. don't worry : ) |
| 15:02:37 | wildint: | I guess I'll make a local folder so each chapter can do what it needs |
| 15:04:50 | wildint: | hmm, seems like community is a good place though... |
| 15:07:54 | darkblue_B: | maybe I should follow this too |
| 15:08:02 | darkblue_B: | so where do I look ? |
| 15:08:25 | wildint: | http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/ |
| 15:08:26 | sigq: | Title: Revision 1473: / ( at svn.osgeo.org ) |
| 15:09:05 | wildint: | the question is where to put some California files - specifically our draft letter to potential sponsors |
| 15:09:23 | darkblue_B: | right.. that would be in English.. thats kind of local :- ) |
| 15:10:37 | wildint: | but should it be in a chapter folder where it might not be discovered by other chapters |
| 15:10:47 | wildint: | or in marketing where it might clutter and be out of place |
| 15:11:12 | darkblue_B: | chapter to start I'd say without knowing any beter |
| 15:11:31 | TylerM: | I wouldn't worry about it |
| 15:11:50 | TylerM: | yeah keep your stuff together until others want/need it |
| 15:12:03 | wildint: | svn is kinda like carpentry though, measure 4x cut once |
| 15:12:20 | wildint: | or you end up with saw dust in piles your not sure what to do with |
| 15:21:59 | wildint: | I think I like local more than chapter - as local stuff can happen without a chapter |
| 15:22:19 | wildint: | we aren't officially a chapter yet anyways |
| 15:22:30 | TylerM: | heh.. local works good |
| 15:22:49 | wildint: | TylerM, when a chapter picks a board liason is there a term to that? |
| 15:23:39 | TylerM: | local chapter rep ? |
| 15:24:03 | wildint: | ya, that's our holdup right now - we don't have one picked |
| 15:24:53 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #354 ( task created ): PostGIS trac instance <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/354> |
| 15:30:01 | wildint: | lol, I have to recheckout the repo since I was only pulling the marketing folder originally |
| 15:34:14 | darkblue_B: | geez how much is there on svn :D |
| 15:34:32 | darkblue_B: | I am on the spanish books section now |
| 15:34:46 | wildint: | no kidding |
| 15:35:06 | wildint: | once I get the local folder setup I'll probably do a direct checkout of it |
| 15:36:00 | wildint: | if I was more comfy with svn commands I'd add the folder using commands but I don't trust myself |
| 15:36:19 | wildint: | oh the whole journal too, lol |
| 15:36:46 | TylerM: | let me make it for you : ) |
| 15:37:10 | wildint: | I think we're all for /local/California |
| 15:37:46 | wildint: | hmm, I'm wondering if I should print one of the journal volumes for our booth |
| 15:38:17 | TylerM: | i had some professionally printed, i think i've run out though |
| 15:38:51 | wildint: | I might be able to get my lab to print 1 of each to have around the office |
| 15:39:01 | wildint: | aka borrow when we do booths |
| 15:39:25 | wildint: | how many pages do they tend to run |
| 15:40:11 | TylerM: | 50-60 |
| 15:40:51 | wildint: | single or double sided? |
| 15:41:24 | TylerM: | single |
| 15:41:39 | wildint: | ah 30 pages double-sided is reasonable |
| 15:42:05 | TylerM: | volume 4 annual report is what i got done professionally.. it worked out great |
| 15:42:09 | TylerM: | did i ever send you some? |
| 15:42:47 | wildint: | nope, never seen ti |
| 15:53:27 | wildint: | TylerM, were you making the folder, cause I've got the checkout now |
| 15:54:13 | TylerM: | no i didn't, but can if you cancelled download |
| 15:56:28 | wildint: | no I've got it taken care of then |
| 16:00:30 | wildint: | strange svn didn't flag pdf as binary |
| 16:00:52 | CIA-12: | osgeo: wildintellect * r1474 / ( 7 files in 3 dirs ): California Chapter, letter requesting sponsorship and generic OSGeo chapter logo. |
| 16:01:42 | wildint: | TylerM, I changed the wording to indicate that OSGeo's 501 status was still pending |
| 16:02:37 | TylerM: | hmm i thought i set it up so pdf's were flagged automagically... |
| 16:02:40 | TylerM: | otherwise you run it something like: |
| 16:02:53 | TylerM: | svn propset svn:mime "application/pdf" mydoc.pdf |
| 16:02:59 | TylerM: | or similar |
| 16:10:39 | wildint: | eh it just didn't say ( bin ) on my system |
| 16:10:55 | wildint: | no matter, I think it's looking good |
| 16:12:16 | wildint: | time to head out, thanks for the help |
| 16:14:08 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1475]: forgot to update the logo link <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1475> |
| 16:14:26 | CIA-12: | osgeo: wildintellect * r1475 /local/California/supportletter.sla: forgot to update the logo link |
| 18:11:20 | w0lfie_: | why oh why does it never let me post to the osgeo list |
| 18:11:24 | w0lfie_: | even though i'm subscribed |
| 18:11:26 | w0lfie_: | stupid thing |
| 18:13:22 | w0lfie_: | ah, different email address |
| 19:31:15 | TylerM: | w0lfie_: need me to update your email address for you in the mailing list software? |
| 20:11:10 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #354 ( task closed ): PostGIS trac instance <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/354#comment:1> |
| 20:22:16 | w0lfie_: | that's ok i just unsubscribed / resubscribed |
| 20:35:25 | hobu: | anyone know if any of the safe software guys have a twitter account? |
| 20:38:18 | TylerM: | looks like don murray is.. "donatsafe" |
| 20:39:02 | hobu: | thanks |
| 20:39:07 | w0lfie_: | anyone know of any FOSS projects involving really large geodatabases ( like hadoop large ) |
| 21:27:52 | HyperJohnGraham_: | anyone know where to find Wisconsin parcel data ? |
| 22:01:47 | darkblue_B: | HyperJohnGraham_: 'ello |
| 22:03:35 | darkblue_B: | darkblue_B just noticed the March 2009 Geospatial issue of Open Source Business Resource.ca |