| 02:37:13 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1490]: added tour information <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1490> |
| 02:37:53 | CIA-15: | osgeo: simonh * r1490 /foss4g/2009/website/activities/index.html: added tour information |
| 08:03:14 | vmx: | hi. i've sent an email to planet@osgeo.org a week ago to ask if my blog might be added to the planet. still no reply. does anyone know if anyone is receiving those emails? |
| 08:04:43 | TylerM: | vmx: I've got them.. sorry, buried in a backlog |
| 08:04:57 | vmx: | tylerm: np : ) |
| 08:05:12 | TylerM: | with three of us receiving the emails, we sometimes wait for the others to do the hard work ;- ) |
| 08:16:31 | TylerM: | vmx: all set up now.. thanks for your patience : ) |
| 08:18:17 | vmx: | TylerM: thanks a lot |
| 08:18:39 | TylerM: | sorry for the delay, you're welcome |
| 10:51:08 | TylerM: | yjacolin: ping |
| 10:51:24 | TylerM: | adding some more journal documents.. are you in the middle of adding logo graphics? |
| 10:51:45 | wildintellect: | TylerM, facebook group already hit 30 people |
| 10:52:29 | TylerM: | nice |
| 10:52:39 | yjacolin: | Hello |
| 10:52:57 | yjacolin: | I think I just need to update Geotools and MapServer annual report |
| 10:53:04 | : | * yjacolin is in the facebook group : ) |
| 11:05:51 | TylerM: | yjacolin: do you have image files already? |
| 11:07:12 | wildintellect: | TylerM, correction today facebook is up to 68 people |
| 11:08:09 | yjacolin: | what do yuo mean TylerM ? |
| 11:10:31 | TylerM: | yjacolin: i see includegraphics requests in some pages, that point to projects/logo/.. but no files were there. |
| 11:12:23 | TylerM: | so i started added logos. wasn't sure if you added those graphics pointers or if they came from the import I did initially. |
| 11:13:17 | yjacolin: | ouch :( Do I forget them ? |
| 11:13:49 | yjacolin: | indeed :/ |
| 11:13:58 | : | * yjacolin is comiting |
| 11:14:02 | yjacolin: | done |
| 11:14:03 | TylerM: | oh good.. glad I won't download them myself :D |
| 11:14:28 | TylerM: | got them thx |
| 11:14:29 | yjacolin: | ok I juist need to update geotools and mapserver annual report |
| 11:14:29 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1491]: forget logo :( <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1491> |
| 11:14:41 | CIA-15: | osgeo: yjacolin * r1491 /journal/volume_5/en-us/annual_report/projects/logo/ ( 11 files ): forget logo :( |
| 11:14:42 | TylerM: | and gvsig images too : ) |
| 11:14:43 | yjacolin: | and all should be ok |
| 11:15:18 | yjacolin: | I have to add a package as well in tyhe main tex file |
| 11:15:26 | yjacolin: | I hope it is ok for you |
| 11:16:18 | TylerM: | okay, i only just added africa and foss4g report |
| 11:16:38 | yjacolin: | MapServer annual report need some updating, may be tomorrow the report will be finished |
| 11:16:57 | CIA-15: | osgeo: yjacolin * r1492 /journal/volume_5/en-us/annual_report/projects/geotools.tex: updating GeoTools annual reports |
| 11:16:58 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1492]: updating GeoTools? annual reports <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1492> |
| 11:17:10 | TylerM: | do you have more changes for the main tex to commit still? |
| 11:17:32 | yjacolin: | no more change |
| 11:17:56 | TylerM: | cannot find gvsig images |
| 11:18:01 | TylerM: | do you have some? |
| 11:18:10 | TylerM: | e.g. annual_report/projects/gvsig/300px-4t |
| 11:18:10 | TylerM: | h_gvSIG_conf_people.jpg |
| 11:18:21 | yjacolin: | gvsig logo are in the logo directory |
| 11:18:39 | TylerM: | these are other images, not logos |
| 11:18:44 | yjacolin: | aarh again completly miss : ) |
| 11:18:52 | TylerM: | hehe |
| 11:19:13 | yjacolin: | ok it should be ok now |
| 11:19:13 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1493]: adding gvsig picture <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1493> |
| 11:19:51 | CIA-15: | osgeo: yjacolin * r1493 /journal/volume_5/en-us/annual_report/projects/gvsig/ ( 4 files ): adding gvsig picture |
| 11:20:57 | TylerM: | je la trouve meilleure, merci! |
| 11:21:57 | TylerM: | temp pour le déjeuner... |
| 11:25:40 | yjacolin: | bion appétit : ) |
| 11:25:45 | yjacolin: | bon appétit : ) |
| 11:43:46 | TylerM: | yjacolin: awesome work.. thanks for help on this. |
| 11:43:46 | TylerM: | biab |
| 11:44:00 | yjacolin: | you are welcome : ) |
| 12:11:33 | epifanio: | hi all ... is anyone intersed to try out a live-dvd based on Geo-foss SW ? |
| 12:14:47 | wildintellect: | epifanio, sure |
| 12:16:46 | epifanio: | i've uploaded it on ftp right now, it is based on ubuntu 9.04 .. so it is unstable yet ( we'll whait the 9.04 official release to buid a final .iso ) |
| 12:17:14 | bitner: | _wolf_: ping |
| 12:17:25 | : | <_wolf_> bitner: pong |
| 12:17:50 | epifanio: | here the ftp link : http://www.geofemengineering.it/data/epigis.iso |
| 12:17:58 | epifanio: | it is 2.6 gb |
| 12:18:08 | epifanio: | i know .. is not so light ... |
| 12:18:27 | epifanio: | but i'm tring to include in it tutorial examples dataset etc .. |
| 12:18:35 | wildintellect: | it's a DVD no big deal, I'll give it a shot when I get to my lab in a few |
| 12:18:48 | wildintellect: | the OSGeo one is like 1.8GB so you're not far from the norm |
| 12:19:38 | epifanio: | any feedback is really wellcome! a non exhaustive description of what is included is avaiable here : |
| 12:20:17 | epifanio: | http://wiki.gfoss.it/index.php/LiveDVD-GFOSS.it |
| 12:20:20 | sigq: | Title: LiveDVD-GFOSS.it - GfossWiki ( at wiki.gfoss.it ) |
| 12:20:34 | wildintellect: | is it easy to add more stuff? |
| 12:21:20 | epifanio: | yes |
| 12:21:30 | wildintellect: | I'd really like to get josm with some osm data included |
| 12:21:38 | epifanio: | i'm able to add any stuff you suggest me to add |
| 12:21:51 | : | * racicot starts a download of the iso... |
| 12:22:10 | epifanio: | already i included only mapnic osm2pgsql and italy.osm |
| 12:22:35 | wildintellect: | epifanio, I'm thinking more of how to make it collaborative so multiple people can contribute and so datasets can be swapped for local ones |
| 12:22:43 | wildintellect: | are you on the live dvd mailing list? |
| 12:23:01 | epifanio: | yes i'm on the list |
| 12:23:46 | wildintellect: | ah good, we should discuss more about how to really collaborate on theses live discs, I'll have to read through what tools you used etc |
| 12:24:29 | epifanio: | i done it of course myself ... beacouse i need a gadjet to free distribuite in an italian event 1 May |
| 12:25:09 | wildintellect: | now imagine if you could have just easily extended the existing disc to add what you wanted |
| 12:25:33 | wildintellect: | do you have a page up about how you did it, ie procedure? |
| 12:26:02 | epifanio: | it followed a really simple procedure |
| 12:26:05 | epifanio: | i've an old laptop, i'm using it as "guinea pig" |
| 12:26:18 | epifanio: | installing only the needed sw |
| 12:26:51 | epifanio: | and generic driver, then i used remastersys to make .iso backup og the system |
| 12:27:00 | epifanio: | *of |
| 12:27:02 | wildintellect: | got it |
| 12:27:09 | wildintellect: | so the key was remastersys |
| 12:27:14 | epifanio: | yes! |
| 12:27:28 | mindspit: | OSGeo Google Summer of Code 2009 is sharpmap included in that ? |
| 12:27:40 | wildintellect: | epifanio, thanks, I'm going to try doing it all in a virtual machine |
| 12:27:40 | epifanio: | it is easy .. it install in the iso the needed sw ... to make a live bootable .iso |
| 12:29:05 | wildintellect: | mindspit, I don't recall hearing about any students apps or mentors for sharpmap but _wolf_ is the person to check with |
| 12:29:40 | : | <_wolf_> mindspit: sharpmap? |
| 12:30:09 | : | <_wolf_> no no sharpmap |
| 12:30:20 | epifanio: | just for notice , i included some 3d stuff that needs 3d accelerate driver, to have it wotking ( on areal machine ) using the live cd, simply go to "detect driver" .. install it if found some, then crtl-alt-F* to go in a shall and restart gdm "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" ... so it will use the driver on the live cd |
| 12:30:23 | mindspit: | yes sharpmap why not ? |
| 12:31:09 | wildintellect: | is sharpmap an OSGeo Labs project? |
| 12:31:42 | mindspit: | i don't know |
| 12:31:53 | : | * _wolf_ wonders what sharpmap is |
| 12:31:54 | crschmidt: | I don't think SharpMap is at all related to OSGEO |
| 12:31:57 | crschmidt: | OSGeo* |
| 12:32:09 | wildintellect: | ya I don't think so either |
| 12:32:32 | wildintellect: | it's an open source web mapping framework in C#.net as far as I know |
| 12:32:42 | : | <_wolf_> afaik no its not |
| 12:33:01 | wildintellect: | I could be mixing it up with something else though |
| 12:33:22 | mindspit: | http://www.codeplex.com/SharpMap |
| 12:33:47 | mindspit: | SharpMap is an easy-to-use mapping library for use in web and desktop applications. It provides access to many types of GIS data, enables spatial querying of that data, and renders beautiful maps |
| 12:33:55 | mindspit: | The engine is written in C# and based on the .Net 2.0 framework. SharpMap is released under GNU Lesser General Public License. |
| 12:34:17 | mindspit: | it supports shape and many other types of data : ) |
| 12:34:35 | mindspit: | it should be ! |
| 12:34:37 | wildintellect: | mindspit, they aren't part of OSGeo and they aren't on Google's list |
| 12:34:47 | mindspit: | it's more usable than mapwindow |
| 12:34:53 | mindspit: | it supports themeing |
| 12:34:58 | wildintellect: | mindspit, tell the project, it's up to the project to join OSGeo |
| 12:34:59 | mindspit: | and styling of layers |
| 12:35:18 | crschmidt: | join osgeo or join gsoc |
| 12:36:04 | mindspit: | ok. |
| 12:36:12 | mindspit: | i will tell these guys about it |
| 12:36:32 | mindspit: | has anyone tried mapwindow ? |
| 12:36:49 | wildintellect: | only seen a demo |
| 12:37:21 | mindspit: | i see |
| 12:38:06 | wildintellect: | well like a good number of people in the room here I don't have an windows machines - so it's not exactly at the top of my list of things to try |
| 12:38:20 | mindspit: | well sharpmap compared in this early .net relase of mapwindow6 is really better : ) personal opinion |
| 12:38:27 | mindspit: | yes ... it will support mono : ) |
| 12:38:32 | mindspit: | prpably |
| 12:38:40 | mindspit: | they rewrite the engine |
| 12:38:47 | mindspit: | mapwindow uses directx ! |
| 12:39:20 | wildintellect: | mono has been hit or miss so I tend to skip over it and go straight to stuff I know will work cross platform |
| 12:40:50 | wildintellect: | but don't get me wrong I'm happy to see both projects doing well - I know there are many .net only shops out there and those are a good option for them |
| 12:43:35 | mindspit: | ok |
| 12:44:05 | mindspit: | well is there any other alternative or .net library i should know about ? |
| 12:45:37 | wildintellect: | mindspit, most of what you see on http://www.osgeo.org/ are alternatives |
| 12:45:40 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo.org | Your Open Source Compass ( at www.osgeo.org ) |
| 12:51:03 | mindspit: | it had not a link to sharpmap : ) lol |
| 12:52:48 | : | * crschmidt thinks mindspit might not understand what OSGeo is |
| 12:53:11 | mindspit: | propably i dont |
| 12:53:17 | mindspit: | : ) excuse me |
| 12:53:41 | mindspit: | can you explain ? |
| 12:56:11 | crschmidt: | OSGeo is a 'foundation', supporting the development of member projects |
| 12:56:27 | crschmidt: | We work with participating projects to offer hosting, common infrastructure, community, etc. |
| 12:56:39 | mindspit: | i see |
| 12:56:46 | crschmidt: | In orderr for a project to be an 'osgeo project', it must pass a certain set of social and technical criteria |
| 12:57:05 | crschmidt: | this process acts as a 'vetting' of the project to some extent, ensuring that it is propertly maintained by its community and not likely to die/disappear |
| 12:57:49 | crschmidt: | OSGeo primarily works with projects that come to it; we do not ( generally ) offer support services to unrelated projects unless they express interest in becoming members of the foundation. |
| 12:59:09 | mindspit: | ok i understand |
| 12:59:13 | crschmidt: | SharpMap has not been an active participant in the OSGeo community as far as I've seen; potentially because they see no reason to be, which is fair. As a result, however, the project isn't an OSGeo project, and is not included in foundation activities like SoC |
| 12:59:59 | mindspit: | now its clear to me. I will ask them then! : ) |
| 13:02:39 | crschmidt: | an excellent plan : ) |
| 13:02:58 | FrankW: | I will say, I'd like to see closer ties between Sharpmap and OSGeo. |
| 13:03:04 | mindspit: | sorry for my misunderstanding |
| 13:03:37 | crschmidt: | mindspit: it's not a problem at all |
| 13:03:41 | : | <_wolf_> on that subject, what do you people think about mapnik |
| 13:04:03 | FrankW: | _wolf_: About whether we would like it as an OSGeo project? |
| 13:04:28 | : | <_wolf_> FrankW: that and general impressions of it |
| 13:04:54 | crschmidt: | _wolf_: Mapnik is a perfectly usable project, and with springmeyer now participating actively, I've seen a significant growth in community |
| 13:05:16 | FrankW: | My impression is that it has some advanced rendering features. That it is relatively hard to build and deploy. And that it ( perhaps ) has a dictator based development model. |
| 13:05:17 | crschmidt: | I feel that in general, the project has a somewhat fragile ecosystem; when Artem disappears ( as has happened ) things tend to stall |
| 13:05:31 | : | <_wolf_> cool : ) I rather like it myself, but that is only a first impression |
| 13:06:16 | FrankW: | I will say, i'm happy enough with it operating on it's own, but perhaps that's because I think we have plenty of web map server projects already and I'm a bit worried about further dilution. |
| 13:06:16 | : | <_wolf_> but let's see what happens when I try to build it :P |
| 13:06:24 | FrankW: | It has played an important role driving MapServer and MapGuide to use AGG. |
| 13:06:44 | FrankW: | Where by "driving" I mean demonstrating the advantages by example. |
| 13:07:03 | : | <_wolf_> well keep on talking. I'm going to sleep now... I'll read the logs ; ) |
| 13:07:31 | FrankW: | I've said all I can think of and to be honest I don't know all that much about it. |
| 13:09:21 | springmeyer: | hey guys |
| 13:09:43 | crschmidt: | howdy ho, springmeyer-ino |
| 13:10:18 | springmeyer: | ya in the past Mapnik has been difficult to build because the build system lagged in attention in comparison to the actually library |
| 13:11:27 | springmeyer: | so dependencies were hard to link up, but we've got much better docs and a bit better build system so its not too hard to build on linux and os x |
| 13:13:15 | springmeyer: | as far as deployment, well Mapnik is just the library so deployment considerations are separate |
| 13:14:53 | springmeyer: | and addressing FrankW's other thought on the development model, I've sensed that the lead/founder Artem is far from a dictator |
| 13:15:36 | mindspit: | have you seen http://www.capaware.org/ ? |
| 13:15:39 | sigq: | Title: Capaware, un framework geográfico 3D Multicapa ( at www.capaware.org ) |
| 13:15:43 | FrankW: | I would like to stress my knowledge is not at all deep, or current. |
| 13:15:48 | springmeyer: | once folks pick up on his openness the patches have been rolling in : ) |
| 13:16:11 | springmeyer: | FrankW: I would stress my knowledge is recent and shallow : ) |
| 13:16:19 | FrankW: | springmeyer: I gather then that there are mutliple commiters to the code tree? |
| 13:17:21 | springmeyer: | FrankW: yes, 5-6 active and another handful less active |
| 13:17:39 | FrankW: | Cool, that sounds pretty healthy. |
| 13:18:19 | FrankW: | mindspit: I hadn't read about capaware before - was there a question? Or were you suggesting someone look into it? |
| 13:19:29 | crschmidt: | springmeyer: note that a dictator position is not a bad thing in a software project |
| 13:19:34 | mindspit: | i am just impresed by the graphics : ) |
| 13:19:40 | crschmidt: | Guido is often described as taking a dictatorial role in Python development |
| 13:20:18 | springmeyer: | crschmidt: ya, I feel that too. Much of my involvment of late has been trying to get Artem to dictate : ) |
| 13:20:41 | : | * crschmidt isn't of the opinion that number-of-developers strongly controls that, but instead "number of people whose opinion counts as The One True Path" |
| 13:21:04 | springmeyer: | well put |
| 13:21:20 | crschmidt: | Despite an active PSC, nearly a dozen semi-active contributors, and a userbase of thousans, and despite my best efforts, a lot of people still go to me directly for opiions on OpenLayes patches |
| 13:25:24 | mindspit: | bye all ! thanks! |
| 13:31:57 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1494]: OSGeo Gift Certificate <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1494> |
| 13:32:19 | CIA-15: | osgeo: ticheler * r1494 /marketing/ ( certificates certificates/OSGeo-Gift-Certificate.png ): OSGeo Gift Certificate |
| 14:27:38 | wildint: | if I wanted a list of all the events OSGeo has had a booth at in the last year or so, would looking through all the pages on the wiki with Past Events and Events categories be the best way? |
| 14:53:32 | wildint: | epifanio, testing your live disc now |
| 14:53:49 | wildint: | I'll post about feedback on the live demo list |
| 14:54:51 | wildint: | epifanio, what's the user/password |
| 14:55:13 | epifanio: | user : sasha pasword : tiamo |
| 14:55:55 | darkblue_B: | hi epifanio |
| 14:55:55 | wildint: | better put that on the splash screen or no one will ever remember how to login |
| 14:56:14 | darkblue_B: | I also loaded the .iso.. booted it remotely.. |
| 14:56:24 | darkblue_B: | no time to go further.. nice art though ! |
| 14:56:46 | wildint: | is it the same user/pass for postgis? |
| 14:56:56 | : | * epifanio ... sasha was my love ... a wimin German shepherd dog |
| 14:57:06 | epifanio: | the user is postgres |
| 14:57:15 | epifanio: | use the same password "tiamo" |
| 14:59:15 | epifanio: | if you are on a non virtualizzed environment, i suggest to see if ubuntu can detect better diriver for your video card |
| 14:59:54 | epifanio: | it will detect avaiable wi-fi internet connection, then check "hadware parts" in the gnome menu |
| 15:01:04 | epifanio: | then restart gdm without reboot ( obviously ), the live is installable too |
| 15:14:17 | epifanio: | ratman will give you segfault ( i had the same eror on my desk too ), i mailed the dev team whaiting for an answer ( mybe the server used in the test file are down ) but i need to do a better debug |
| 15:21:31 | epifanio: | wildint : what's the osgeo-list name ( object's name ) related to the live project ? ( searching it in my mail archive ... ) |
| 15:22:30 | epifanio: | ahh found it : live-demo |
| 15:41:27 | epifanio: | i'm mailing to the list, i've added a link here : http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Links_to_related_projects |
| 15:41:28 | sigq: | Title: Live GIS Disc - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 19:50:23 | bitner: | _wolf_: we're going to go for all ten, sorry to bother you |
| 20:28:18 | : | <_wolf_> bitner: ok, good luck! |
| 20:36:51 | Schuyler: | who's got an image that illustrates the OSGeo software stacks? |
| 20:37:16 | : | * Schuyler presenting to the Harvard Center for Geographic Analysis tomorrow |
| 20:37:23 | Schuyler: | would like an image to stick into a slide deck |
| 20:38:57 | wildintellect: | did you check Camerons slides |
| 20:39:26 | mleslie: | Schuyler: I've got one I can send you. |
| 20:39:44 | Schuyler: | please do |
| 20:39:49 | Schuyler: | wildintellect: link? |
| 20:40:16 | wildintellect: | do you remember the name of the company that Cameron works for in Australia |
| 20:40:27 | mleslie: | LISAsoft |
| 20:41:37 | wildintellect: | hmm, maybe I still have the copies somewhere on my drives |
| 20:42:26 | mleslie: | We've got several presentations posted at http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/Company/Presentations.html, but I don't think we've updated them lately. |
| 20:42:28 | sigq: | Title: Presentations ( at www.lisasoft.com ) |
| 20:43:13 | wildintellect: | ya that's what I was thinking of |
| 20:45:03 | mleslie: | images away. |
| 21:19:58 | TylerM: | does something wrong here ? http://geonetwork-opensource.org or just me? |
| 21:20:00 | sigq: | Title: Introduction GeoNetwork opensource ( at geonetwork-opensource.org ) |