| 07:16:18 | TylerM: | wildintellect: fyi - I reduced markup to almost nil on the magnet/buttons in cafepress.. but they still suck :P |
| 07:16:23 | TylerM: | for price |
| 07:16:28 | TylerM: | @seen frankw |
| 07:16:28 | sigq: | TylerM: frankw was last seen in #osgeo 4 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <FrankW> He was working on a qgis_docs group issue an hour ago or less. |
| 07:19:45 | darkblue_B: | Hi Tyler |
| 07:20:07 | TylerM: | hi darkblue_B - how'd CGS treat you? Were you there? |
| 07:20:14 | darkblue_B: | no - too far |
| 07:20:49 | darkblue_B: | I've been wrestling with the ossimPlanet build on my Mac |
| 07:21:01 | darkblue_B: | so far - its won :-/ |
| 07:21:17 | darkblue_B: | lot of rough edges in that build |
| 07:21:55 | darkblue_B: | people tell me they have built it.. I have seen it running, but ugh |
| 07:22:31 | darkblue_B: | I found it interesting the other day, asking around about the upcoming demo.. It turns out , different people have different ideas from the get-go about whats important |
| 07:23:09 | darkblue_B: | for one, its logistics.. booth, equipment, times.. for another its audience, developers? consumers? |
| 07:23:39 | darkblue_B: | for me.. I was all about the content, from the start... which packages.. how to hilite them.. whats the big picture story |
| 07:23:56 | darkblue_B: | all crucial in their own way, but quite different |
| 07:24:18 | darkblue_B: | so I am thinking about content, about packages, and wrestling with OSSIM |
| 07:24:31 | TylerM: | back, sry |
| 07:24:38 | darkblue_B: | .. np |
| 07:25:04 | darkblue_B: | a long winded way of saying, I thinking of using Google Earth to show a number of things.. not OSSIM |
| 07:25:11 | TylerM: | ahh |
| 07:25:12 | darkblue_B: | .. not world wind |
| 07:25:19 | TylerM: | you have no trouble building Google Earth then? |
| 07:25:21 | TylerM: | ;- ) |
| 07:25:40 | : | * TylerM drips sarcasm.. |
| 07:25:44 | darkblue_B: | I have another angle for you.. |
| 07:26:02 | TylerM: | which "upcoming demo" are you thinking of? |
| 07:26:10 | darkblue_B: | I was just reading the Electronic Arts press release on their financials.. |
| 07:26:23 | darkblue_B: | ohh USGS .. but this is ongoing.. |
| 07:26:33 | darkblue_B: | and strategizing for Where 2.0 convergence |
| 07:27:00 | darkblue_B: | you have done good thinking on the mix of outreach to software developers vs other categories, as I recall |
| 07:27:11 | darkblue_B: | ( I should review that slide actually ) |
| 07:32:50 | darkblue_B: | oh yeah.. VirtualEarth.. not |
| 07:33:39 | darkblue_B: | I'll re-affirm my popularity on the topic and say again.. KML is coming along nicely |
| 07:38:59 | darkblue_B: | osgeo_communicationplan_v8 |
| 07:39:21 | darkblue_B: | I'll assume this is representative |
| 08:11:40 | darkblue_B: | TylerM: ok, I am not finding the doc you wrote about outreach.. what was the name? |
| 08:20:42 | TylerM: | hmm darkblue_B , not quite sure which you are referring to |
| 08:20:49 | TylerM: | was it from a slideshow? |
| 08:24:18 | darkblue_B: | yeah, I think so |
| 08:24:30 | darkblue_B: | it was something about the audience for OSGeo |
| 08:25:01 | darkblue_B: | outreach strategy.. developers vs skilled users vs others.. something like that |
| 08:25:13 | TylerM: | ah... |
| 08:25:15 | darkblue_B: | corporate adoption? |
| 08:25:22 | TylerM: | likely a wiki page about "target audiences" |
| 08:26:18 | darkblue_B: | it struck me as thorough at the time.. whatever it was |
| 08:26:30 | TylerM: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Targets |
| 08:26:32 | sigq: | Title: Marketing Targets - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 08:26:32 | darkblue_B: | I went to MBA school, we wrote thigns like that |
| 08:26:46 | darkblue_B: | looking |
| 08:26:48 | TylerM: | and http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing_Targets |
| 08:26:49 | sigq: | Title: Talk:Marketing Targets - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 08:27:05 | TylerM: | you found the communication strategy already? |
| 08:27:30 | darkblue_B: | yes, though its a pitch from a firm on possible approaches.. |
| 08:27:35 | darkblue_B: | not as deep |
| 08:27:45 | darkblue_B: | it has a few good thigns in it |
| 08:54:00 | wildintellect: | TylerM, you get my last message? |
| 08:54:18 | TylerM: | hi wildintellect - not sure |
| 08:54:24 | wildintellect: | TylerM, CGS went well - good to have locals to help with the booth and get more involved, pictures should be up tonight |
| 08:54:32 | TylerM: | awesome |
| 08:54:35 | TylerM: | good job |
| 08:54:53 | wildintellect: | we made good contact with professors from various schools in CA |
| 08:55:16 | wildintellect: | I also talked with Sarah from cloudmade recently |
| 08:55:27 | wildintellect: | they sent me a bag of OpenStreetMap pins |
| 08:55:49 | wildintellect: | and we're going to start working on a workshop for "How to Use OSM in GIS" |
| 08:56:02 | TylerM: | great |
| 08:57:06 | wildintellect: | so Cafepress is being weird huh |
| 08:57:26 | TylerM: | or just expensive :( |
| 08:58:07 | wildintellect: | well I was just confused why the prices were different from other cafepress stores |
| 08:58:27 | wildintellect: | $87 vs 69 for the 100 pack of small buttons |
| 08:58:31 | darkblue_B: | hi wildintellect - are your spatialite slides up? |
| 08:58:43 | wildintellect: | not yet, it's on the todo list for today |
| 08:58:47 | darkblue_B: | np |
| 08:58:58 | wildintellect: | any suggestions where to post them? |
| 08:59:05 | darkblue_B: | slideshare? |
| 08:59:20 | darkblue_B: | if they are that sort |
| 09:00:26 | wildintellect: | well I made a ppt - though odp was the orig and pdf is what I used at the conference |
| 09:01:21 | darkblue_B: | I am not a purist, just so you know |
| 09:01:33 | darkblue_B: | though I dislike the Redmond company |
| 09:01:35 | TylerM: | what a mess with all these presentation options these days.. seems I have trouble with all of them :S |
| 09:01:59 | darkblue_B: | Adobe++ |
| 09:02:03 | darkblue_B: | Apple +1 |
| 09:02:30 | : | * darkblue_B dodges darts from the GNU people |
| 09:03:11 | wildintellect: | I made the pdf since I knew I couldn't use my own machine and I'm glad I did cause when I opened the ppt on my friends machine things were not all quite right |
| 09:03:29 | darkblue_B: | font joy |
| 09:03:47 | wildintellect: | oh I got that with the pdf too, since Oo didn't embed |
| 09:04:00 | wildintellect: | mostly coloring issues with links |
| 09:04:30 | wildintellect: | the funny thing lately is a lot of mac people get caught by copy/pasting images in and then not having it work on windows |
| 09:04:47 | wildintellect: | the you need quicktime message |
| 09:05:03 | darkblue_B: | oh yuck |
| 09:05:14 | wildintellect: | there is no way to solve it |
| 09:05:26 | wildintellect: | other than in powerpoint only use the insert command to add pics |
| 09:05:34 | wildintellect: | no pasting from other apps |
| 09:05:36 | darkblue_B: | not sure about that.. but then, life's too short for ppt internals ( ! ) |
| 09:06:12 | wildintellect: | we spent a bunch of time last week trying to get a ppt from one of our profs to work - found that nugget via google |
| 09:06:17 | darkblue_B: | life may be too short for ossimplanet internals too, I am thinking this morning |
| 09:06:57 | wildintellect: | you might want to chime in on the thread about compilation management |
| 09:07:09 | darkblue_B: | pdf as slides seems solid to me.. without having gone through what you just did |
| 09:07:39 | wildintellect: | they're debating to use cmake, scons, or ant - cmake would mean Xcode for mac |
| 09:07:45 | darkblue_B: | my voice is simply a voice in the wilderness.. they have a big project going.. major resources |
| 09:08:27 | darkblue_B: | I heard a bad review on scons from very skilled folk who tried it |
| 09:08:33 | darkblue_B: | great idea on paper |
| 09:08:54 | darkblue_B: | its just not easy to get right.. like Geo ;- ) |
| 09:54:48 | darkblue_B: | OSGeo is an antidote to vendor lock-in |
| 09:55:06 | darkblue_B: | hmmm powerful statement.. might have to be careful when to lay that one out though |
| 09:58:31 | FrankW: | darkblue_B: do you mean in the sense that it will put off vendors as participants? |
| 09:58:47 | darkblue_B: | all sorts of things.. |
| 09:59:21 | darkblue_B: | I just spoke with the USGS contact.. he specifically mentioned that the scientists there are "constantly bemoaning the inability to exchange data" |
| 09:59:39 | darkblue_B: | so its a powerful idea to them, Id guess |
| 09:59:56 | darkblue_B: | but on the other hand, I remember talking at length with Prof John Radke at UC Berkeley |
| 10:00:02 | : | * FrankW is summoned into the physical world... |
| 10:00:13 | darkblue_B: | he kept OSGeo waaayy at arms length |
| 10:00:24 | darkblue_B: | ok.. |
| 10:01:20 | darkblue_B: | needless to say, some in challenging administrative positions value their relationship with ESRI, and to some lesser extent MSoft, quite a bit |
| 10:01:46 | darkblue_B: | .. and OSGeo might be seen as upsetting their apple cart |
| 10:04:40 | bwoodall: | and to some in positions, it is having a line item for budget reasons that correlate to justification of existence |
| 10:04:48 | darkblue_B: | yeah |
| 10:05:26 | wildintellect: | that's when you sell them the computing cluster instead of software licenses |
| 10:05:44 | wildintellect: | need a line item, those 2 are fairly interchangable |
| 10:06:36 | darkblue_B: | "disruptive technology" is actually a good phrase to know in the business world |
| 10:06:41 | bwoodall: | true, and offering software as a service can be attractive to some |
| 10:06:43 | darkblue_B: | .. and thats what this is |
| 10:08:16 | : | * bwoodall remembers being told to "think out of the box" many years ago |
| 10:08:50 | pramsey: | thinking inside the bounding box is more efficient. indexes better. |
| 10:09:36 | bwoodall: | : ) |
| 10:11:59 | hobu: | unless you are a bunch of points instead of surfaces. |
| 14:49:50 | CIA-15: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1563 /journal/volume_5/en-us/ ( 5 files in 2 dirs ): add website, journal, marketing reports |
| 14:49:50 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1563]: add website, journal, marketing reports <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1563> |
| 21:50:27 | TylerM: | ping Marketing meeting in just over 1 hour |
| 22:06:56 | darkblue_B: | hiyo TylerM |
| 22:07:11 | darkblue_B: | just talking to clients in Australia, so I happen to be here |
| 22:07:32 | darkblue_B: | when is this marketing thing? another hour? |
| 22:09:35 | wildintellect: | oh thanks for the reminder I almost forgot |
| 22:11:00 | darkblue_B: | hi wildintellect |
| 22:11:17 | darkblue_B: | is there an agenda? |
| 22:11:57 | darkblue_B: | oh ho |
| 22:12:08 | darkblue_B: | pretty organized around here |
| 22:12:08 | wildintellect: | yes probably somewhere on the wiki |
| 22:12:12 | racicot: | darkblue_B: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2009.05.07 |
| 22:12:13 | sigq: | Title: Marketing Meeting 2009.05.07 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 22:12:21 | darkblue_B: | yep |
| 22:12:24 | darkblue_B: | thx racicot |
| 22:12:36 | TylerM: | aren't you on the mailing list? ;- ) |
| 22:12:40 | TylerM: | hi guys |
| 22:13:01 | : | * racicot is about to fade away... |
| 22:13:04 | wildintellect: | yes, didn't read that email yet |
| 22:13:31 | darkblue_B: | nope - ignorance is bliss |
| 22:13:34 | racicot: | TylerM: springmeyer will be bringing the table drape and popup to where... we had good use of them this week at Washington URISA |
| 22:14:43 | TylerM: | great to hear! |
| 22:14:48 | TylerM: | thanks aaron.. have a good night |
| 22:15:01 | darkblue_B: | cheers racicot |
| 22:15:04 | racicot: | http://twitpic.com/4lscs was from yesterday... |
| 22:15:05 | sigq: | Title: Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter ( at twitpic.com ) |
| 22:15:23 | TylerM: | lookin sharp |
| 22:15:24 | wildintellect: | interesting so we'll have 2 setups? |
| 22:15:32 | TylerM: | hmmm |
| 22:16:10 | TylerM: | racicot: I think wildintellect has a good setup ready to bring to where 2.0 : ) |
| 22:16:19 | racicot: | I assumed you needed the stuff... if you dont Dane can leave it here |
| 22:16:37 | wildintellect: | we have a permanent set in California now |
| 22:16:49 | darkblue_B: | we wont need much at USGS |
| 22:16:54 | racicot: | cool... less carry-on for springmeyer |
| 22:16:59 | TylerM: | there you go : ) |
| 22:17:40 | wildintellect: | extra table drape might be nice if we want to have some odd setup but you can leave the pop-up at home for sure |
| 22:18:00 | TylerM: | and you got lots of brochures still eh? |
| 22:18:13 | wildintellect: | yes still 1/2 the order you sent |
| 22:18:21 | racicot: | well, let me delegate at this point... springmeyer has both the drape and the popup and you can ping him about what you want if you want it... |
| 22:18:27 | wildintellect: | +800 generic business cards |
| 22:18:56 | racicot: | ;- ) bed time for me |
| 22:19:00 | racicot: | later folks |
| 22:19:03 | TylerM: | great, I'm also shipping you a handful of "sponsorship postcards".. more on this in the meeting |
| 22:19:04 | TylerM: | cya racicot |
| 22:19:11 | darkblue_B: | cya |
| 22:21:35 | darkblue_B: | are you guys talking about something else, or is this just moving slowly ? |
| 22:21:50 | TylerM: | darkblue_B: meeting starts in 30 minutes : ) |
| 22:21:55 | darkblue_B: | ohhh |
| 22:22:04 | TylerM: | don't let us scare you away ; ) |
| 22:22:14 | darkblue_B: | wellll |
| 22:22:42 | darkblue_B: | its just a regular workday - in Australia ; ) |
| 22:23:24 | darkblue_B: | the euros havent been on.. very early for them I'd guess |
| 22:23:57 | springmeyer: | hey TylerM: yes yes I'm happy to bring the drape and popup down, or not, just let me know.... |
| 22:24:13 | darkblue_B: | wow - west coast in force tonight :- ) |
| 22:24:14 | TylerM: | hi springmeyer - well we're all up late ; ) |
| 22:24:18 | TylerM: | heh |
| 22:24:27 | wildintellect: | springmeyer, I would say just the drape, we've got a pop-up here |
| 22:24:39 | springmeyer: | okay, sounds good |
| 22:25:01 | springmeyer: | so wildintellect: you'll be there? |
| 22:25:07 | wildintellect: | yes |
| 22:25:25 | wildintellect: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Where_2.0_2009 |
| 22:25:26 | sigq: | Title: Where 2.0 2009 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 22:26:12 | darkblue_B: | hey - pop quiz, since three pretty adroit users are here... |
| 22:26:17 | springmeyer: | ah, nice, sorry to be clueless : ) |
| 22:26:40 | : | * springmeyer will look back at that page when his eyes are not blurry |
| 22:26:50 | darkblue_B: | given a spreadsheet with 100 names and address, no Lat/Lng, and a desired result of small print map.. |
| 22:26:54 | wildintellect: | look forward to chatting at the conference |
| 22:27:01 | darkblue_B: | oh well, losing springmeyer |
| 22:27:32 | TylerM: | darkblue_B: i had a python script hitting geocoder.us to grab the coords then pumping into GMT.. but I'm not sure I had it all working |
| 22:27:32 | darkblue_B: | I just got this out of the blue today.. to be absolutely honest it took me 3 hours start to finish |
| 22:28:03 | darkblue_B: | I took the opportunity to look back at a few things I hadnt done for a little while |
| 22:28:27 | TylerM: | actually I was using it to parse/map my address book |
| 22:29:03 | darkblue_B: | for me.. Excel export to csv, reg ex and old perl script, geocode at Yahoo with XML back.. OpenLayers and Javascript map, screen dump, photoshop |
| 22:29:28 | darkblue_B: | hand created the javascript array with reg ex out of the xml result, actually |
| 22:30:04 | darkblue_B: | but this is so basic... |
| 22:30:06 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1564]: adding more graphics and source files <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1564> |
| 22:30:27 | TylerM: | seven: are you really there? ; ) |
| 22:30:39 | CIA-15: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1564 /marketing/brochures/ ( 11 files in 5 dirs ): adding more graphics and source files |
| 22:31:26 | darkblue_B: | so TylerM.. once you have the geocoded points.. whats the current favorite/most expedient placement and present mechanism ? |
| 22:31:39 | darkblue_B: | for this lightweight, one off |
| 22:32:03 | darkblue_B: | print destination, but not super high res... |
| 22:32:33 | TylerM: | I know how to do it with mapserver, but in my case I was trying to learn GMT |
| 22:32:43 | darkblue_B: | GMT ?> |
| 22:32:57 | TylerM: | generic mapping tools |
| 22:33:12 | TylerM: | a bit obscure and tricky, but some neat stuff |
| 22:33:28 | darkblue_B: | oh - aha |
| 22:33:30 | wildintellect: | what's the background behind the points? |
| 22:33:58 | darkblue_B: | I went to the OpenLayers example that shows 5 base layers from commercial services.. |
| 22:34:23 | darkblue_B: | I chose the Yahoo one for its look. and left the Navteq and Yahoo brand marks on it in the print final |
| 22:35:02 | darkblue_B: | I used some "dot" graphics I had laying around from a previous project as the markers |
| 22:35:17 | darkblue_B: | it was 100 marks on the continental US |
| 22:36:03 | TylerM: | hmm yeah tried some dot stuff too.. fun but I was pushing it I think .. trying to use it for presentation stuff |
| 22:36:48 | wildintellect: | because you didn't have the background layers yourself, the way you didn't was probably the easiest ( with some alternatives in the geocoding step ) |
| 22:37:11 | darkblue_B: | yeah.. but three hours |
| 22:37:18 | darkblue_B: | not too good a way to make a living |
| 22:37:33 | darkblue_B: | I opened up spatialite at first, actually |
| 22:37:39 | darkblue_B: | fascinating tool |
| 22:37:54 | wildintellect: | well had you a wms already for background layer qgis would have been fast |
| 22:37:55 | darkblue_B: | but I only needed the lat/lng, so I didnt bother to inlcude it |
| 22:38:16 | darkblue_B: | I am just not up to speed on QGis to be honest |
| 22:38:24 | darkblue_B: | it does a lot of nifty things |
| 22:38:37 | wildintellect: | well why would you be you've never been a desktop GIS user |
| 22:38:48 | darkblue_B: | thats exactly it |
| 22:39:15 | darkblue_B: | the reason I bother to bring this up is that this is the kind of thing I have been touting far and wide actually |
| 22:39:30 | darkblue_B: | this maps as intelligence, and web 2.0 dynamic data thing |
| 22:39:33 | darkblue_B: | like ajturner |
| 22:39:39 | darkblue_B: | I am in that camp |
| 22:39:54 | darkblue_B: | so I'd like to get a work flow .. this was too much time.. |
| 22:40:27 | darkblue_B: | I can code a Google Map, an OpenLayers map, in javascript |
| 22:40:31 | darkblue_B: | thats how I started off |
| 22:40:43 | darkblue_B: | I know a few tricks there, actually |
| 22:41:08 | darkblue_B: | thats all so manual though.. |
| 22:41:32 | darkblue_B: | I've never looked at MyMaps, come to think of it |
| 22:41:35 | wildintellect: | only because you haven't written an interface that lets you upload a point file and display it on the map |
| 22:41:46 | wildintellect: | import/export on mymaps sucks |
| 22:41:46 | darkblue_B: | yeah.. |
| 22:41:53 | darkblue_B: | I believe you |
| 22:42:06 | wildintellect: | this is exactly what my Phd is going to revolve around |
| 22:42:08 | darkblue_B: | oh yeah, ajturner has something |
| 22:42:14 | darkblue_B: | really? |
| 22:42:39 | wildintellect: | yup, I plan to study interface design of web maps for community group use |
| 22:42:54 | wildintellect: | yes geocommons might have worked |
| 22:42:55 | darkblue_B: | cool - very useful |
| 22:43:00 | darkblue_B: | geocommons.. yeah |
| 22:43:10 | wildintellect: | it's been buggy for me but I'm on linux and flash is iffy |
| 22:43:34 | darkblue_B: | aha.. I do mac 80% and linux 20% in practice |
| 22:43:51 | wildintellect: | I'm 100% linux these days |
| 22:44:06 | darkblue_B: | though I make sure whatever runs on linux |
| 22:44:12 | darkblue_B: | thats the commitment |
| 22:44:55 | wildintellect: | windows just drives me up the wall and there's no incentive to move to mac, still has the same compatibility issues for the most part |
| 22:45:12 | wildintellect: | well that and I don't need eye candy |
| 22:45:14 | darkblue_B: | ( I used to be a Mac sfwr developer, in a previous life ) |
| 22:45:21 | darkblue_B: | ( before unix ) |
| 22:46:37 | darkblue_B: | giving credit where credit is due, I have to say that OSGeo4W sure seems to run very well |
| 22:46:54 | darkblue_B: | I just dont want to get into it :p |
| 22:54:48 | wildintellect: | I have a different opinion |
| 22:54:56 | wildintellect: | but I know people using it for daily work |
| 22:55:12 | wildintellect: | they are excited about the return of the QGIS standalone install |
| 22:55:30 | wildintellect: | for all the other stuff in it, I think it's great |
| 22:57:26 | darkblue_B: | GMT is really geeky TylerM |
| 22:57:37 | TylerM: | did you say *too* geeky? ; ) |
| 22:57:41 | darkblue_B: | you cli guys... |
| 22:57:42 | TylerM: | I never did get what I wanted from it : ) |
| 22:57:53 | TylerM: | except some nice postscript |
| 22:58:08 | wildintellect: | I here it was great but lacked transparency support |
| 22:58:13 | wildintellect: | hear |
| 22:58:31 | : | * ticheler is here observing |
| 22:58:33 | darkblue_B: | 12 dict def /grok ( I get it ) def |
| 22:58:36 | TylerM: | pretty tricky usage syntax I found, at least for the moderate complex global map I was working on |
| 22:58:38 | wildintellect: | seems if you like cli you might as well go mapnik now |
| 22:58:42 | TylerM: | hey- hi ticheler |
| 22:58:57 | TylerM: | wildintellect: precisely my thoughts lately |
| 22:58:59 | darkblue_B: | bind def |
| 22:59:05 | ticheler: | hi TylerM |
| 22:59:13 | TylerM: | seven: are you around? |
| 22:59:30 | TylerM: | Okay, let's get a meeting in order here... |
| 22:59:48 | TylerM: | ================= |
| 22:59:51 | TylerM: | Agenda: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Meeting_2009.05.07#Agenda |
| 22:59:52 | sigq: | Title: Marketing Meeting 2009.05.07 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 23:00:02 | TylerM: | * Roll Call |
| 23:00:16 | TylerM: | Brian, Alex, Tyler, Jeroen.. others? |
| 23:00:41 | TylerM: | don't worry Brian, you can just watch if you aren't here for the meeting : ) |
| 23:01:08 | TylerM: | Okay, I see now that I didn't write any minutes for last meeting |
| 23:01:13 | : | * darkblue_B not afraid of mtgs now that I am older |
| 23:01:25 | TylerM: | but it was pretty much just Alex and I again I think. |
| 23:01:46 | wildintellect: | did we actually formally meet, that's probably why no notes |
| 23:01:47 | TylerM: | ticheler: you just way too busy these days, or is a different time better for you? |
| 23:02:06 | ticheler: | just too busy ;-( |
| 23:02:14 | : | * seven reads back to decide whether she is real or not... |
| 23:02:30 | ticheler: | hi seven! |
| 23:02:31 | TylerM: | seven: are you breathing? : ) |
| 23:02:45 | ticheler: | this time is good though |
| 23:02:52 | TylerM: | and for you too seven ? |
| 23:03:12 | TylerM: | Let's go to next item.. |
| 23:03:15 | TylerM: | * EVENTS |
| 23:03:40 | TylerM: | we've got a few summaries that Alex can go over briefly. Nothing too deep, maybe share a few lessons learned ; ) |
| 23:03:46 | TylerM: | and anything else you have there. |
| 23:03:53 | TylerM: | ping CameronShorter - are you around? |
| 23:04:18 | wildintellect: | turns out there are good deals to be had, I think we're doing 5 events off the funding for 1 |
| 23:04:31 | TylerM: | awesome |
| 23:04:46 | : | * darkblue_B has not yet done paperwork for OSCon |
| 23:04:51 | TylerM: | ( he's referring to this list: AAG 2009,CGS 2009,USGS Open House 2009,Where 2.0 2009,OSCON 2009 ) |
| 23:05:17 | TylerM: | all events that our west coast USA/Canada friends have managed to get us into |
| 23:05:18 | wildintellect: | latest events got us in touch with Cal State professors who want to move open source due to budget issues and are looking for materials |
| 23:05:40 | wildintellect: | dont' forget Waurisa that cugos is doing |
| 23:05:52 | TylerM: | nice, do they need someone formal to pop down and talk further too? |
| 23:05:59 | TylerM: | oh yeah, should have had that event in the lsit |
| 23:06:00 | TylerM: | list |
| 23:06:03 | wildintellect: | in some cases yes |
| 23:06:16 | wildintellect: | they tried Ian Turtons course, was too hard |
| 23:06:25 | TylerM: | could you introduce me to someone there then? |
| 23:06:34 | wildintellect: | sure |
| 23:06:49 | TylerM: | Anything further in particular about upcoming events? |
| 23:06:57 | wildintellect: | I talked with OSM( Cloudmade ) |
| 23:06:58 | CameronShorter: | pong |
| 23:07:11 | wildintellect: | we discussed developing a workshop for how to export osm data to GIS |
| 23:07:23 | wildintellect: | the schools are the target |
| 23:07:32 | TylerM: | CameronShorter: when Alex is done, do you want to give any brief overview of FOSS4G status? generally speaking? |
| 23:07:46 | wildintellect: | if anyone can make WhereCamp they want to work on it then |
| 23:08:04 | seven: | TylerM: My current travel plans are here: http://arnulf.us/Seven:Current_events |
| 23:08:06 | sigq: | Title: Seven:Current events - Seven ( at arnulf.us ) |
| 23:08:35 | wildintellect: | other than that we are good to go for Where 2.0, not sure about power for demos but everything else is good |
| 23:08:41 | darkblue_B: | *workshops note on request |
| 23:09:00 | TylerM: | great... |
| 23:09:03 | seven: | I will probably not make it for the State of the Map, UK but will be at all German lang events + GSDI and Where 2.0 |
| 23:09:20 | TylerM: | even greater... |
| 23:09:29 | TylerM: | okay, move on to FOSS4G if Cameron is still around |
| 23:09:48 | TylerM: | otherwise we can go to next... |
| 23:09:57 | TylerM: | 3 |
| 23:10:00 | TylerM: | 2 |
| 23:10:03 | TylerM: | 1 |
| 23:10:16 | TylerM: | no worries, any other events someone would like to mention or point us to? |
| 23:10:30 | darkblue_B: | so.. what equipment will be onsite for Where? |
| 23:10:33 | : | * seven wants a web calendar... |
| 23:10:48 | TylerM: | seven: tripit.com? |
| 23:10:54 | CameronShorter: | sorry, back. |
| 23:10:57 | wildintellect: | darkblue_B, http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/California/Exhibition_Pack |
| 23:10:58 | sigq: | Title: California/Exhibition Pack - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 23:11:01 | CameronShorter: | for five mins. |
| 23:11:10 | CameronShorter: | FOSS4G is on track. |
| 23:11:25 | CameronShorter: | Looking for people to promote it internationally. |
| 23:11:51 | seven: | CameronShorter: We have been suggesting a few things at the last board meeting. |
| 23:12:05 | CameronShorter: | The financial crisis is effecting sponsorship quite hard, so we have had to increase price of conference to cover that. |
| 23:12:25 | seven: | Is there anything that we should do explicitly, beyond announcing and advertising it? |
| 23:12:37 | CameronShorter: | If anyone has hands free, I have a stack of tasks that would be of use. |
| 23:12:59 | seven: | WWe might want to bump them up from "nice to have" to "Committee task". |
| 23:13:09 | seven: | to make sure they gat done. |
| 23:13:10 | TylerM: | Also from a logistics perspective.. there is still a great opportunity for someone to help "run" the OSGeo booth at FOSS4G. It will be a major centerpoint of the event.. so lots of great chance to meet others : ) |
| 23:13:14 | CameronShorter: | In particular, it would be very useful for someone on the FOSS4G2010 committee to get involved to ensure carrying knowlege between converences. |
| 23:14:32 | CameronShorter: | There is probably a number of other things to report, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. |
| 23:14:53 | CameronShorter: | Oh, - I am building an excellent list of contacts, which should be useful for others. |
| 23:14:59 | TylerM: | okay, thanks for that |
| 23:15:17 | darkblue_B: | ohhh outreach database, contacts.. thats crucial, actually |
| 23:15:33 | darkblue_B: | a few allies go a long way |
| 23:15:53 | darkblue_B: | How do you handle that TylerM? |
| 23:16:15 | TylerM: | we've got a few good databases going.. between our internal LDAP/OSGeo accounts, LinkedIn OSGeo group, plus the FOSS4G archives |
| 23:16:28 | TylerM: | I want to get a way to compile more of these. |
| 23:16:37 | wildintellect: | guess that depends on privacy concerns |
| 23:16:55 | wildintellect: | so we need more cron magic scripts for data munging |
| 23:16:58 | darkblue_B: | there _are_ privacy concerns, but, this is also key valauables for the org |
| 23:17:19 | wildintellect: | I'm just implying a password protected list |
| 23:17:28 | wildintellect: | at least to view the contact info |
| 23:17:42 | darkblue_B: | needs policy, definitely |
| 23:18:33 | TylerM: | well, I didn't mean a public list ; ) |
| 23:18:37 | wildintellect: | that reminds me, that we started tossing around an event database to track marketing efforts |
| 23:18:41 | darkblue_B: | personally I dont mind the LinkedIn thing for a public list |
| 23:19:00 | darkblue_B: | internally more is called for, I suggest |
| 23:19:05 | TylerM: | okay, let's move on... |
| 23:19:34 | TylerM: | * Material Development & Communication and Branding ( Tyler ) - Marketing Material Samples |
| 23:19:55 | TylerM: | please see http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Material_Samples for some of the items |
| 23:19:56 | sigq: | Title: Marketing Material Samples - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 23:20:11 | TylerM: | a couple more to come. |
| 23:20:17 | darkblue_B: | TylerM and other marketing materials people, ++ !!! |
| 23:20:22 | ticheler: | they look great |
| 23:20:26 | wildintellect: | aside from the brochure being folded the wrong way by the printer, so far it's gone over well |
| 23:20:27 | : | * darkblue_B applause |
| 23:20:54 | TylerM: | Goal here was to have a good set to meet needs of exhibit pack. |
| 23:21:03 | TylerM: | wildintellect: my local printer didn't fold :( hehe |
| 23:21:29 | TylerM: | I now can ship brochures, postcards and other items anywhere, or help coordinate more local printing.. see how it goes. |
| 23:21:43 | : | * seven is really happy with the marketing material! |
| 23:21:49 | darkblue_B: | I can get good prices on printing here, too |
| 23:22:02 | TylerM: | My big personal need was to have a sponsorship package to send out |
| 23:22:16 | TylerM: | I am also getting all the source files in formats we can edit |
| 23:22:23 | darkblue_B: | print runs are def cheaper than color copier short runs |
| 23:22:26 | TylerM: | e.g. GIMP with text layers and SVG mainly |
| 23:22:47 | wildintellect: | do we have a page for the sponsor ship package? |
| 23:23:06 | TylerM: | hmm, i remember something from years ago.. can't recall exactly. |
| 23:23:13 | TylerM: | it was mostly in my head at least |
| 23:23:17 | TylerM: | I think |
| 23:23:24 | ticheler: | it would be nice to have a space on a brochure where a sponsor can put its contact details |
| 23:23:28 | ticheler: | on a sticker or so |
| 23:23:31 | ticheler: | or printed |
| 23:23:32 | TylerM: | but I do want to pull this together into a main page on the main website too |
| 23:23:37 | ticheler: | what would you think? |
| 23:23:51 | TylerM: | yeah definitely, it was discussed, but not sure yet |
| 23:24:12 | TylerM: | best suggestion was to stick a sticker onto the brochure back or inside in a logical spot |
| 23:24:17 | TylerM: | there are a couple places that would work. |
| 23:24:39 | seven: | ticheler: +11 |
| 23:24:49 | TylerM: | Adding sticker would be easiest for everyone I think, instead of having to change text or leave an empty spot, etc. |
| 23:24:52 | TylerM: | Make sense? |
| 23:24:52 | darkblue_B: | as you well know.. this is a place where money is well spent.. a sponsor wants to look good |
| 23:24:53 | ticheler: | wow ;- ) |
| 23:25:05 | seven: | This is an important suggestion. It also adds to our sonsorship package. Only as a sponsor can you do that. |
| 23:25:18 | ticheler: | right |
| 23:25:38 | TylerM: | hmm good points! |
| 23:25:40 | seven: | No, make it a white space, large enough for people to put a stamp |
| 23:25:51 | TylerM: | maybe a sponsor should just be given 500 brochures with their branding on it? |
| 23:25:53 | seven: | It must be a "special edition" only for sponsors. |
| 23:25:59 | ticheler: | I would be willing to cover printing costs and use it if I would be able to put my contact details in there |
| 23:26:17 | ticheler: | so no cost for OSGeo |
| 23:26:18 | seven: | I do not think that we should do the printing. |
| 23:26:20 | TylerM: | it will likely be a blank space at bottom of back of brochure |
| 23:26:20 | seven: | Yes. |
| 23:26:24 | ticheler: | but benefit of marketing |
| 23:26:32 | TylerM: | cool, I'm fine with that. |
| 23:26:35 | wildintellect: | what do we do if we have multiple sponsors for an event? |
| 23:26:50 | seven: | So much the better. Be happy. |
| 23:27:00 | TylerM: | I think it would be more geared toward sponsors wanting to have material to take with *them* |
| 23:27:03 | darkblue_B: | what do you do if you meet a pushy sponsor and they want the whole thing, with a teeny OSGeo ? |
| 23:27:12 | TylerM: | not so much from our angle of organising an event. |
| 23:27:19 | seven: | darkblue_B: I cannot follow you. |
| 23:27:28 | TylerM: | darkblue_B: we supply a small specific area |
| 23:27:31 | TylerM: | no worries : ) |
| 23:27:58 | TylerM: | I think this is a good point, thanks for bringing it up. One other area for thought is how we can give sponsors more visibility at events. |
| 23:27:58 | : | * seven thinks that pushy sponsors are a good thing. They just need to be guided where to push a bit maybe. |
| 23:28:25 | TylerM: | Putting sponsor names and logos on something that can be easily changed- maybe once a year we re-print, etc. |
| 23:28:34 | : | * seven comes bakc to her calendar idea |
| 23:28:37 | wildintellect: | I've been meaning to print a page with their logos an stick it in my document holder |
| 23:28:37 | TylerM: | .. that's where we've failed |
| 23:28:52 | seven: | I would like to have an ~ announcement page with all dates. |
| 23:28:57 | TylerM: | Getting high res logos would really help. |
| 23:28:58 | seven: | List sponsors there. |
| 23:29:02 | wildintellect: | also considered velcro to the popup |
| 23:29:45 | wildintellect: | but yes we need already made ready to print logo layouts |
| 23:29:52 | TylerM: | yeah not bad idea |
| 23:30:08 | TylerM: | okay, I'm getting tired, let's move on unless there are specific comments re: the samples. |
| 23:30:50 | TylerM: | * Cafepress Swag Store - Alex, have something to say on this? |
| 23:31:12 | wildintellect: | just wanted to bring up my email http://n2.nabble.com/OSGeo-Swag-td2673757.html#a2673757 |
| 23:31:13 | sigq: | Title: Nabble - OSGeo Marketing Committee - OSGeo Swag ( at n2.nabble.com ) |
| 23:31:59 | darkblue_B: | yes, Kelly Green shirts is a terible idea :- ) |
| 23:32:25 | darkblue_B: | I like polo shirts |
| 23:32:31 | TylerM: | I can give you access wildintellect - to poke around in the site and see how it goes. |
| 23:32:37 | wildintellect: | sounds like a plan |
| 23:32:40 | TylerM: | _wolf_ did the last batch of updates, etc. |
| 23:32:56 | wildintellect: | maybe I'll ask cafepress about the screwy pricing difference too on the buttons |
| 23:33:19 | darkblue_B: | look, we just need to do a celebrity golf challenge and raise $10,000 US.. then we can have buttons and stuff !! |
| 23:33:20 | TylerM: | have a peek at how they are set in our 'shop' just in case it is obvious and I missed it. |
| 23:33:27 | darkblue_B: | ohh - I missed the dot com boom :p |
| 23:33:51 | : | <_wolf_> I gotmeyself an army green an it looks nice with the OSGeo logo :D |
| 23:33:53 | TylerM: | Also you should probably touch base with Wolf in case he knows more. |
| 23:34:03 | TylerM: | hey hey there he is |
| 23:34:13 | darkblue_B: | _wolf_: pictures please ! |
| 23:35:03 | : | <_wolf_> darkblue_B: I have none... |
| 23:35:14 | TylerM: | all right.. we get you two connected and get a login working for you |
| 23:35:39 | wildintellect: | _wolf_, he means me |
| 23:35:58 | ticheler: | ok guys, have to go |
| 23:36:07 | seven: | bye ticheler |
| 23:36:11 | ticheler: | ciao |
| 23:36:12 | TylerM: | take care ticheler .. I'm starting to fade myself ; ) |
| 23:36:16 | TylerM: | Alex, want to go to next item? |
| 23:36:26 | TylerM: | * Local Sponsorship Letter? |
| 23:36:45 | TylerM: | you want some input? |
| 23:36:54 | wildintellect: | I think I pointed it out last time - but now we've sent I think 5 letters out to local companies soliciting sponsorship |
| 23:37:15 | : | <_wolf_> wildintellect: the shop is very easy to maintain and edit in |
| 23:37:16 | wildintellect: | it's more of it's done, and available for people to use |
| 23:37:25 | : | <_wolf_> the colors are easily unselectable etc |
| 23:37:28 | TylerM: | okay, great.. any responses? |
| 23:37:34 | wildintellect: | not yet |
| 23:37:40 | : | <_wolf_> the prices, well I didn't touch them |
| 23:37:42 | wildintellect: | I'm thinking we need to followup with phone calls |
| 23:38:06 | darkblue_B: | sponsorship for ... ? |
| 23:38:16 | TylerM: | i set mark up for buttons to $0.10 ( couldn't do 0 for some reason ).. |
| 23:38:17 | wildintellect: | the California Chapter's outreach effort |
| 23:38:23 | darkblue_B: | a particular event? for a year? |
| 23:38:25 | TylerM: | but maybe there is a store-wide markup on top of that? |
| 23:38:31 | wildintellect: | for a year |
| 23:38:35 | darkblue_B: | aha |
| 23:38:46 | wildintellect: | we listed the events for 2009 |
| 23:39:31 | TylerM: | * Exhibition Pack.. I think we're addressing that with the recent marketing material.. |
| 23:39:34 | wildintellect: | TylerM, I decided to not send to the publishers as I think they should be contacted by the Foundation |
| 23:39:38 | TylerM: | any other items anyone really wants to talk about? |
| 23:39:48 | TylerM: | wildintellect: makes sense |
| 23:40:14 | wildintellect: | maybe we can smooze some O'reilly people at the next 2 conferences |
| 23:40:14 | seven: | wildintellect: URL? |
| 23:40:26 | darkblue_B: | OReilly.. thats a whoool story in itself |
| 23:40:35 | wildintellect: | seven for which item? |
| 23:40:50 | seven: | wildintellect: we listed the events for 2009 |
| 23:41:01 | TylerM: | I'm going to have wrap up and hit the sack.. getting too old for late meetings ;- ) |
| 23:41:22 | darkblue_B: | thanks for doing the meeting TylerM |
| 23:41:23 | seven: | TylerM: Thanks! Have a good rest. |
| 23:41:25 | wildintellect: | oh in our letter, but you can see them on http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/California#Events |
| 23:41:26 | sigq: | Title: California - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 23:41:28 | TylerM: | I think we can keep the time the same |
| 23:41:32 | TylerM: | for next meeting |
| 23:41:42 | TylerM: | we got some good signs of life tonight - thanks a lot guys! |
| 23:42:10 | TylerM: | ======= Meeting adjorned due to Tyler's head hitting keyboard more than twice in one hour ==== |
| 23:42:14 | TylerM: | :D |
| 23:42:20 | darkblue_B: | :D |
| 23:42:21 | seven: | Bye. |
| 23:42:25 | TylerM: | keep chatting and see you all in one month : ) |
| 23:43:30 | darkblue_B: | ok, well I will be chatting off to sleep soon too.. but I *do* want to say that this Where 2.0 is going to be an opportunity for OSGeo |
| 23:44:04 | darkblue_B: | seven and who knows who else from the EU will be here |
| 23:44:20 | darkblue_B: | certainly technically well represented with pramsey and others |
| 23:44:51 | darkblue_B: | it seems like if there was going to be some kind of moment to do something out of the ordinary, that would be it |
| 23:44:53 | wildintellect: | darkblue_B, you should email the Team and ask Paul about how we plan to do the demos |
| 23:45:01 | darkblue_B: | well sure, demos |
| 23:45:10 | darkblue_B: | but out of the ordinary too |
| 23:45:41 | wildintellect: | got any leads on ideas? |
| 23:46:01 | darkblue_B: | well, there is a lot of room here for imagination |
| 23:46:21 | darkblue_B: | sometimes something simple, just to get your name said, is a good thing |
| 23:46:54 | darkblue_B: | like I was part of a user group years ago.. at the big trade show, where all the important, wealthy companies were making their "big" announcements |
| 23:47:20 | darkblue_B: | the user group did a "geek tour".. just a member taking someone on a tour of the show |
| 23:47:29 | darkblue_B: | but it was out of the ordinary, so it made the trade press |
| 23:47:45 | darkblue_B: | a lot of people knew the user group.. but it was a publicity thing |
| 23:47:52 | darkblue_B: | harmless, and effective actually |
| 23:48:12 | darkblue_B: | there are going to be a lot of big players looking to be the center of attention |
| 23:48:21 | darkblue_B: | I think OSGeo is pretty cool, myself |
| 23:48:37 | darkblue_B: | and it doesnt need the kind of product annuncement thing that companies do, really |
| 23:48:47 | darkblue_B: | but something with spirit.. I dont know |
| 23:48:58 | darkblue_B: | I am scheming a little bit here |
| 23:49:09 | wildintellect: | a worthy endeavor |
| 23:49:17 | wildintellect: | hit the lists see what people come up with |
| 23:49:42 | : | * seven will demo an OGC standardized SDI full of innovations + an OSM WMS operated by the German Environmental Agency that is actually really fast. |
| 23:49:42 | darkblue_B: | sure.. we'll see if my mischeiviousness lasts in the daylight |
| 23:49:57 | darkblue_B: | oh yes - the environment |
| 23:50:08 | darkblue_B: | I am very interested sevem |
| 23:50:20 | darkblue_B: | seven.. we need good tech, accessible |
| 23:51:01 | seven: | I just need fast online connectivity. |
| 23:51:10 | darkblue_B: | hmm that could be a problem |
| 23:51:14 | seven: | Why? |
| 23:51:28 | darkblue_B: | often even at high tech shows, the internet is not so good |
| 23:51:35 | darkblue_B: | I know from experience |
| 23:51:37 | seven: | If anybody then Where 2.0 should be capable of doing it right. |
| 23:51:42 | wildintellect: | and you have to pay an arm and a leg for it |
| 23:51:46 | darkblue_B: | I would make a movie, just to be sure |
| 23:51:48 | seven: | in 2006 it was fine. |
| 23:51:55 | darkblue_B: | ok, maybe it will be great |
| 23:51:58 | darkblue_B: | or... |
| 23:52:02 | darkblue_B: | just in case |
| 23:52:03 | seven: | I guess Paul will sort that out. |
| 23:52:17 | wildintellect: | make sure he knows you want that for your demo |
| 23:52:21 | : | * seven hates to show slide only... |
| 23:53:05 | seven: | Pls. let me know if we will not have online access or whether we have to expect it to be flaky. |
| 23:53:22 | darkblue_B: | we have Brady's email address |
| 23:53:31 | darkblue_B: | we could just be very forward about the topic |
| 23:53:49 | : | * seven has to do some w$rk now. |
| 23:54:06 | darkblue_B: | bye seven! |
| 23:54:08 | darkblue_B: | cheers |
| 23:54:21 | : | * seven goes to lurk mode |
| 23:55:05 | darkblue_B: | well I am tired too |
| 23:55:10 | darkblue_B: | so maybe I will go |