| 05:55:37 | FrankW: | aboudreault: regarding the UbuntuGIS respository, I think I was confused because when I browsed down into: |
| 05:55:41 | FrankW: | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-grass/packages/geotiff/libgeotiff-dfsg/trunk/#_packages_geotiff_libgeotiff-dfsg_trunk_ |
| 05:55:43 | sigq: | Title: WebSVN - pkg-grass - Rev 2187 - /packages/geotiff/libgeotiff-dfsg/trunk/ ( at svn.debian.org ) |
| 05:55:47 | FrankW: | I found lots of actual source code. |
| 05:56:24 | FrankW: | Do you have any thoughts on whether having an UbuntuGIS area inside the generic OSGeo SVN respository would be ok, or if it is better to have a freestanding respository? |
| 07:37:26 | FrankW: | TylerM: It seems the FOSS4G2009 logo is missing from the top right box on the osgeo home page. |
| 07:37:31 | FrankW: | Do you see the same problem? |
| 07:38:13 | TylerM: | hmm yeah thanks.. they changed locations again.. I'm going to copy the file now : ) |
| 07:41:16 | TylerM: | fixed - thanks for pointing it out |
| 07:41:23 | TylerM: | hope others aren't live linking like I was : ) |
| 07:41:26 | FrankW: | np |
| 08:12:41 | CIA-15: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1574 /journal/volume_5/en-us/annual_report/projects/soc.tex: adding soc report - thanks Wolfsvn add soc.tex |
| 08:12:41 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1574]: adding soc report - thanks Wolfsvn add soc.tex <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1574> |
| 08:15:53 | joelar: | researching handheld computers / tablet pc's..if anyone has any good input, i'd love to hear it. |
| 08:19:05 | TylerM: | joelar: i saw an interesting option somewhere.. an eee PC or acer aspire one netbook.. with a tablet conversion kit - looked cool |
| 08:19:21 | TylerM: | they show you how to flip the screen around backward and everything : ) |
| 08:20:27 | joelar: | oh yeah, that sounds familiar...where was that? |
| 08:21:30 | joelar: | maybe a planetgs or planetosgeo post.. |
| 08:21:56 | TylerM: | here's one http://www.ctlcorp.com/v4/p-715-ctl-2go-convertible-classmate-pc-89-laptoptablet-with-hard-drive-with-windows-xp-home.aspx?affiliateid=10060&gclid=CJ75iqCRrZoCFRUhnAodzAFocA& |
| 08:21:58 | sigq: | Title: 2go Convertible Intel Classmate PC by CTL Atom Netbook Tablet with Microsoft Windows XP Home ( at www.ctlcorp.com ) |
| 08:30:49 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1575]: formatting soc report <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1575> |
| 08:31:30 | CIA-15: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1575 /journal/volume_5/en-us/annual_report/projects/soc.tex: formatting soc report |
| 08:32:05 | CIA-15: | osgeo: tmitchell * r1576 /journal/volume_5/en-us/OSGeoJournal_vol5.pdf: formatting soc report |
| 08:32:06 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [1576]: formatting soc report <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1576> |
| 08:40:31 | joelar: | i'm glad you mentioned that eee pc option TylerM - i think that could be a possible solution when data is collected from an auto. handheld portability is a likely requirement for field collection however i.e. hiking hills and such... |
| 08:45:09 | darkblue_B: | joelar: I've been working with the ( non-GPS ) Nokia N800.. |
| 08:45:38 | darkblue_B: | I like the package alot.. but I have heard complaints about its GPS sucessor, the N810 |
| 08:46:14 | darkblue_B: | 2nd hand info though |
| 08:49:29 | joelar: | i have heard good things about Nokia, will look into that. thx darkblue_B and thx TylerM. needed this feedback to think outside of my box. |
| 08:52:35 | TylerM: | if you can handle a smallish cell phone screen, the E-series nokia phones are good ( i've used e62, e71 ), with a 'full' keyboard and run pretty fast. you can also script python on them, and more. e71 has built in gps, wifi and bluetooth. I used it a lot for email quite comfortably. |
| 09:37:22 | joelar: | thought this was interesting re:'handheld computers w/ GPS support' http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Data_Logger |
| 09:37:24 | sigq: | Title: GPS Data Logger - Openmoko ( at wiki.openmoko.org ) |
| 09:38:23 | joelar: | stumbled on this as well, also interesting http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/About |
| 09:38:24 | sigq: | Title: tangoGPS - Free user friendly map and gps for Linux || About || ( at www.tangogps.org ) |
| 10:59:23 | wildintellect: | joelar, you know it sounds like your doing what i did for about 4 years at DFG - handheld data collection system |
| 11:38:00 | joelar: | wildintellect i have to reboot right now, but YES - i'm working on a plan for how we're going to collect field data, what hardware/software we'll use, etc. |
| 12:11:40 | wildintellect: | joelar, the biggest probelem is having enough programmers to actually accomplish what you want |
| 12:13:03 | wildintellect: | my recommendations is java( look at polish ) or python app with sqlite backend, but you need several experienced programmers to pull it off |
| 12:13:48 | wildintellect: | and then use either android, openmoko, symbian or iphones |
| 12:14:14 | wildintellect: | with large button touch based interface for fast data entry, little to no stylus |
| 12:14:27 | darkblue_B: | Maemo ? |
| 12:14:59 | wildintellect: | Maemo could work, none of the devices I've seen have long enough battery life |
| 12:15:36 | wildintellect: | but that can be fixed with an external battery pack |
| 12:15:43 | darkblue_B: | aha - interesting |
| 12:16:05 | wildintellect: | well in field work, you're looking for an 8-10 hour with gps battery life |
| 12:16:57 | wildintellect: | and as they shrink the devices so do the batteries, which is frustrating |
| 12:17:38 | wildintellect: | the real key is if it's platform independant software - you can easily switch when a better device comes out |
| 12:18:09 | wildintellect: | my app got stuck on windows mobile 2003se or older devices do to an activesync issue |
| 12:18:19 | wildintellect: | but we didn't build from scratch |
| 12:43:45 | joelar: | wildintellect did the DFG end up using that type of system? are they still using it? |
| 12:47:16 | wildintellect: | joelar, I customized and maintained a proprietary solution on windows mobile using access and some other tools |
| 12:47:55 | wildintellect: | the software still works on newer devices but theres no way to get the data off the device since pocket access is no longer supported by microsoft |
| 12:48:03 | wildintellect: | so it's a dead end technologically |
| 12:48:32 | wildintellect: | the solutions I mentioned earlier are my conclusions from researching a new alternative |
| 12:48:51 | wildintellect: | but me at 20% time was not enough to support a custom application |
| 12:52:33 | joelar: | yes, i don't imagine building a custom application will occur in this situation. |
| 12:53:18 | joelar: | Since I'm also working for the State, I was thinking it could have been something deployed within another State Agency. |
| 12:57:43 | wildintellect: | that only leaves a couple of solutions, that are actually more expensive |
| 12:58:57 | wildintellect: | DWR is using an ArcPad or ArcScript solution or at least thats what I think they were going to do, DFG OSPR( oil response ) uses arcpad, and DFG R1 is still using a similar tool to mine with VisualCE |
| 12:59:07 | joelar: | yes, i imagine we'll either fall back to simply using GPS units |
| 12:59:33 | wildintellect: | oh and USGS uses Pendragon |
| 12:59:37 | joelar: | or buy a Trimble product ( probably the Juno model ) - the software support there is really expensive |
| 12:59:51 | wildintellect: | yes we have several in my lab |
| 13:00:03 | wildintellect: | the devices are good but the software sucks |
| 13:00:15 | wildintellect: | you can however run python |
| 13:00:19 | joelar: | what software specifically? |
| 13:00:23 | wildintellect: | and I've proven it's easy to write a simple app |
| 13:00:32 | wildintellect: | Terrasync, Arcpad |
| 13:00:57 | wildintellect: | the screens are just really small and way overcomplicated |
| 13:01:31 | wildintellect: | the Juno's are nice though in that the memory doesn't die with the battery like most Pocket PCs |
| 13:01:48 | joelar: | can you use Terrasync solely without ArcPad? |
| 13:01:53 | wildintellect: | yes |
| 13:02:10 | wildintellect: | and it includes data dictionaries for data entry |
| 13:02:13 | joelar: | and do you have to buy the Professional version to get post-processing? |
| 13:02:30 | wildintellect: | no you just need a copy of pathdfinder office on the desktop |
| 13:03:07 | joelar: | oh, so Terrasync doesn't do the post-proc? |
| 13:03:16 | wildintellect: | no |
| 13:03:47 | wildintellect: | fyi waas is just as accurate as post-processing Juno data from our experiments so far |
| 13:03:48 | joelar: | how do the photos look with the Juno's? |
| 13:04:03 | joelar: | oh well, that's great to know re: waas |
| 13:04:04 | wildintellect: | our Junos don't have cameras |
| 13:04:24 | wildintellect: | or do you mean airphotos on the screen |
| 13:04:37 | joelar: | no, the new Juno's have 3MP cameras |
| 13:04:46 | wildintellect: | ah we don't have that model |
| 13:05:13 | wildintellect: | my guess is 3MP will be good enough |
| 13:07:38 | joelar: | but Terrasync is basically requried even though it's 'optional software' right? |
| 13:08:01 | wildintellect: | no it's not required |
| 13:08:19 | wildintellect: | the gps can transmit NMEA to any application on the device |
| 13:08:57 | wildintellect: | I have some python example programs I can post for you that would get you started on a custom app |
| 13:09:12 | wildintellect: | I did some proof of concept stuff |
| 13:10:28 | joelar: | The $750 Juno might fit into our budget then ; ) I would like to see the example programs, that'd be much appreciated! |
| 13:11:42 | wildintellect: | joelar, here are some results( we used a separate camera ) http://imaps.dfg.ca.gov/viewers/biospublic/app.asp?zoomtoBookmark=1716 |
| 13:11:44 | sigq: | Title: California Department of Fish and Game - IMAPS Viewer ( at imaps.dfg.ca.gov ) |
| 13:11:58 | wildintellect: | select some points and in the table you can launch the photo viewer |
| 13:12:09 | joelar: | These newer Juno's are using Windows Mobile 6.1. Is that what version you were able to run Python on? |
| 13:13:42 | wildintellect: | I've heard it runs on that too |
| 13:14:36 | wildintellect: | PythonCE |
| 13:15:43 | wildintellect: | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce |
| 13:15:45 | sigq: | Title: PythonCE Info Page ( at mail.python.org ) |
| 13:17:54 | wildintellect: | here's one of my code samples http://www.siafoo.net/library/23 |
| 13:17:56 | sigq: | Title: Pocket PC Serial - Siafoo ( at www.siafoo.net ) |
| 13:19:58 | wildintellect: | uses the simple tk library, I've got an exe installer for it somewhere - been meaning to get all this stuff online for a while |
| 13:22:30 | joelar: | thx wildintellect very much! |
| 21:08:48 | wildintellect: | anyone awake I've got a gdal_translate syntax question and it seems #gdal is quite tonight |