#OSGEO IRC Log - 2009-06-01

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00:23:54 CIA-43: osgeo: sab * r1626 /foss4g/2009/website/foss4g09_staticmatic/site/ ( 3 files in 3 dirs ): fixed presenters page
00:23:54 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [1626]: fixed presenters page <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1626>
00:52:06 wildintellect: anyone have a quick source for the diff between WMS, WFS and WCS
01:18:35 SmokeyD: wildintellect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Map_Service
01:18:38 sigq: Title: Web Map Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org )
01:18:41 SmokeyD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Feature_Service
01:18:42 sigq: Title: Web Feature Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org )
01:18:55 wildintellect: ya those don't really help
01:18:57 SmokeyD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Coverage_Service
01:18:58 sigq: Title: Web Coverage Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org )
01:19:04 SmokeyD: ok
01:19:08 wildintellect: its the how to explain WCS that's getting me stuck
01:19:10 SmokeyD: sorry, didn't read them before posting
01:19:23 SmokeyD: coverage service is for raster data only I think
01:19:30 SmokeyD: like sattelite imagery
01:19:34 wildintellect: not if you read the wikipedia page on it
01:19:45 wildintellect: so what's the diff with WMS
01:19:58 wildintellect: simply that WCS can support more than rgb values in a pixel?
01:20:14 SmokeyD: yeah I think so
01:21:39 SmokeyD: WCS serves up a list of pixels where each pixel can contain all kinds of values ( not just rgb ) while WMS serves up maps in rgb colors which are made up of both raster data and vector data.
01:23:31 SmokeyD: WMS can deal with features visualised in a map. WCS only deals with pixels with a value.
01:46:22 wildintellect: I think the wikipedia page might be misleading
01:46:35 wildintellect: your definition is what I thought too
01:50:35 SmokeyD: I am no expert, but that is how I understood it from the OGC site
04:06:19 SmokeyD: anyone knows if the fao allows others to harvest the metadata on their geonetwork server?
04:06:23 SmokeyD: I can't find anything on it
05:23:05 SmokeyD: hey, is there a WMS/WFS/WCS compiant server that allows access permissions to be set per layer/layer group/map, etc?
05:24:02 SmokeyD: geonetwork already uses pretty flexible access premissions per resource, but it's not a WFC/WMS/WCS
05:25:45 SmokeyD: geoserver doesn't provide this as far as I can see
05:50:19 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #378 ( task reopened ): benchmarking@lists.osgeo.org <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/378#comment:2>
06:24:28 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #378 ( task closed ): benchmarking@lists.osgeo.org <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/378#comment:5>
06:38:00 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #380 ( task created ): PostGIS Trac: email postgis-devel on change <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/380>
07:10:41 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #380 ( task closed ): PostGIS Trac: email postgis-devel on change <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/380#comment:2>
07:26:11 SmokeyD: wildintellect: you here? Just found something cool out about Django:http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/jython/#howto-jython
07:26:12 sigq: Title: Django | Running Django on Jython | Django Documentation ( at docs.djangoproject.com )
07:26:43 SmokeyD: THis would enable writing an app in Django and thus python, but deploy it on a java based environment and use java stuff in it as well
07:27:54 SmokeyD: so you could write a Django site that leverages the geoserver and geonetwork code. You can even run it on the same servlet container, eliminating any overhead except for the jython interpreter
07:42:27 FrankW: pramsey: with regard to email to postgis-devel - I often end switching to nomail on lists that do this.
07:43:08 pramsey: FrankW: everyone else on the dev team wants it... should I suggest a -bugs list?
07:43:18 FrankW: no, it's fine.
07:43:36 FrankW: Just providing a data point. I didn't realize there had been a poll.
07:43:51 pramsey: but I agree, w/ geotools, geoserver lists that have JIRA on the list I find the bug noise overwhelms the conversation a little
07:44:09 pramsey: it also makes some converstaions that should be in the bug comments happen on the list
07:44:21 pramsey: but as I said, it's the will-of-the-group
07:45:45 crschmidt: er
07:45:55 : * crschmidt doens't think conversation generally belongs in the bug tracker
07:46:46 crschmidt: I'll also note that postgis-devel has had the Google tracker CCing the list for some time now, right?
07:47:03 pramsey: yes, that's what everyone misses : )
07:47:06 pramsey: ( everyone but me )
07:47:39 crschmidt: and me : )
07:47:52 crschmidt: "Make sure the bug tracker doesn't turn into a discussion forum. Although it is important to maintain a human presence in the bug tracker, it is not fundamentally suited to real-time discussion. Think of it rather as an archiver, a way to organize facts and references to other discussions, primarily those that take place on mailing lists." -- http://producingoss.com/en/bug-tracker.html#bug-tracker-mailing-list-interaction
07:47:54 sigq: Title: Bug Tracker ( at producingoss.com )
07:48:37 crschmidt: ( Though I really don't need to be lecturing you on open source software development, I suppose : )
08:31:59 darkblue_B: hi does anyone know if chris holmes is coming to Java One/Community One in SF?
08:37:20 pramsey: I hadn't heard that he was.
08:37:32 pramsey: His travel docket is pretty full w/ business stuff right now.
08:37:48 darkblue_B: ok, thx
11:38:44 darkblue_B: wildintellect: hello
18:24:38 : <_bryce> Hi. I'm new to GIS stuff in general. I am looking for a program that I can give an image, and tell it the location of some points on the image, and it will then display the locations I give it on the image. Is there something like that which is open-source?
18:24:52 : <_bryce> I've been fooling around with qgis and grass but they're just so elaborate
18:25:12 : <_bryce> I don't mind learning one of them but I can't figure out even how to do this simple thing
18:25:23 : <_bryce> with georeferencing a photo.
18:25:45 FrankW: I believe the most straightforward approach is the georeferencer tool/plugin for QGIS.
18:27:28 : <_bryce> ok
18:27:30 : <_bryce> I
18:27:42 : <_bryce> er, sorry, I hit return by accident. I will check that out, thanks.
18:28:39 FrankW: I think it is the plugin named "Georeferencer GDAL".
18:28:45 FrankW: I believe it has changed a bunch since I last used it.
19:04:27 wildintellect: FrankW, the changes were mostly just the addition of more algorithms for the calculation of the warping
22:05:15 CIA-43: osgeo: mleslie * r1627 /foss4g/2009/documents/workshops/trivial: Trival test commit.
22:05:18 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [1627]: Trival test commit. <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/1627>