#OSGEO IRC Log - 2009-06-19

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04:29:07 jmckenna: are there osgeo-types planning on going to the GeoWeb event in July?
04:29:20 jmckenna: it seems to be esri-overload there
05:19:58 : * bitner just read esri-overload as esri-overlord
05:20:02 bitner: funny how the brain works
05:26:34 jmckenna: : )
10:20:59 FrankW: I wonder if anyone here not on the board has any opinion on http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2009-June/002934.html and the related thread?
10:21:01 sigq: Title: [Board] On constitutional re-engineering ( at lists.osgeo.org )
10:21:09 FrankW: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2009-June/002934.html
10:27:18 frankie: wouldn't be viable having a longer reasonable period for board membership? I think that a 2-3 years would be reasonable
10:27:49 frankie: indeed a single year is too short
10:28:15 frankie: FrankW: ^^
10:32:55 darkblue_B: hi FrankW
10:33:13 darkblue_B: the opening paragraph has some sense to it.. other points as well
10:33:33 darkblue_B: its difficult to just imagine a new system that would work well
10:34:00 darkblue_B: I think it would be wise to look more carefully at the arrangements of other orgs that work..
10:34:11 darkblue_B: .. and learn from that
10:38:14 jmckenna: being voted by peers to be a charter member of osgeo is quite an honor and i would not want that removed. it's a virtual pat-on-the-back and a way to have your contributions to the community recognized,
10:38:49 hobu: it's a function of being known, not necessarily being a contributor IMO
10:39:49 jmckenna: known often means contributing..u aren't known if u don't contribute in some way...every going on the list and saying 'i've tested the beta and ___ is broke" is a great contribution
10:40:00 jmckenna: every/even
10:43:37 jmckenna: but maybe i'm the only one that feels this way
10:47:01 FrankW: jmckenna: I do agree, though the flip side of that is those who are not nominated or voted in as charter members may feel slighted, and unappreciated.
10:48:09 FrankW: I prefer not to attach to much "contributor" significance to charter membership.
10:48:32 FrankW: After all, some contributors are skipped over ( at least by me ) because their community is already adequately represented.
10:49:41 jmckenna: if we don't go by contributions what are we supposed to go by?
10:50:08 jmckenna: the nomination emails contain contributions.
10:50:11 FrankW: I look for contributors that I think can help bring an underrepresented community.
10:50:54 jmckenna: ok, that's good, but i don't think that was stated anyway
10:50:55 FrankW: So, sometimes I stretch for people who can represent a geographic community, or a project community or an implementation language community, or a user type community ( business, academic, etc ).
10:50:58 jmckenna: anywhere
10:51:36 FrankW: charter membership nomination and selection is subjective, but there is a document suggesting some things to look for.
10:51:52 : * jmckenna very similar to conference hosting
10:52:02 FrankW: yes
10:52:21 jmckenna: and we're under heat now on that..hmm tricky all around
10:52:24 FrankW: Positive Attributes at the bottom of http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process
10:52:25 sigq: Title: New Membership Process - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
10:54:16 FrankW: I believe we would be "under heat" for conference selection any time there are several good candidates.
10:55:02 jmckenna: sorry to get off topic
10:55:07 FrankW: And even if we had extremely objective criteria for selection, it would just transfer the struggle to all the ways in which these objective criteria are wrong.
10:55:14 FrankW: np, there is an analogy.
10:55:26 FrankW: ( in the sense that I prefer leaving some things somewhat subjective ).
11:14:23 Schuyler: anyone seen cholmes lately?
13:02:49 seven: Schuyler: chomeless was supposed ot be GSDI but I did not meet him there. Maybe we just missed each other.
13:04:05 seven: FrankW: I believe it would make sense to involve the current charter members in this discussion.
13:04:11 seven: OSGeo Discuss may be too broad.
14:06:24 darkblue_B: Microsoft Silverlight required for the INSPIRE web cast
14:06:29 darkblue_B: how.... clever
14:08:02 darkblue_B: and in that presentation, Kings College London speaks on "obstacles to data sharing"...
14:08:08 darkblue_B: like SilverLight maybe?
14:08:45 darkblue_B: => <=
14:43:40 darkblue_B: INSPIRE Geoportal -> OpenLayers :- )