| 07:08:17 | ticheler: | Useful: http://getfirebug.com/lite.html |
| 07:08:18 | sigq: | Title: Firebug Lite ( at getfirebug.com ) |
| 07:10:19 | crschmidt: | Not nearly so much as it would seem; most browsers ( apart from IE ) have better built in tools, and Firebug lite is almost always insufficient for really dbugging IE |
| 07:10:28 | crschmidt: | ( Sadly ) |
| 07:10:45 | crschmidt: | but it might be good enough for simple js unrelated to mapping |
| 07:12:10 | ticheler: | hi crschmidt . Thanks for that |
| 07:12:45 | ticheler: | One of our developers is happy with it, but we definitely do not all the comlex JS that OL does |
| 07:12:55 | : | * crschmidt nods |
| 07:13:07 | crschmidt: | I tend to forget that there is javascript that isnt' openlayers when I make sweeping statements : ) |
| 07:13:28 | ticheler: | what about the CSS side of things? |
| 07:13:34 | crschmidt: | visual Studio actually works really well for debugging IE JS but obviously costs money. |
| 07:13:46 | crschmidt: | Not sure what kind of CS side of things you mean. |
| 07:14:28 | crschmidt: | 2CSS* |
| 07:14:30 | ticheler: | layout using divs for instance that have CSS associated |
| 08:47:45 | seven: | crschmidt: Is there any news on approving Clear BSD by the OSI? |
| 08:48:03 | seven: | Or are the changes cosidered small enough to not bother? |
| 08:48:13 | seven: | For example as in http://openlayers.org/pipermail/dev/2007-October/001589.html |
| 08:48:14 | sigq: | Title: [OpenLayers-Dev] RFC: Changing the License on OpenLayers ( at openlayers.org ) |
| 08:49:17 | : | * seven cannot quite follow all the arguments wrt to patent claims. |
| 08:50:06 | seven: | Mapbender is about to add a Dual Licensing scheme with GNU GPL and BSD. Wondering whether we should go for Clear BSD instead. |
| 08:52:02 | crschmidt: | seven: If you do not have any patents, or if you intend any patents that you have to be implicitly licensed with your software, then the clear bsd isn't worth it. |
| 08:52:31 | crschmidt: | The FSF has stated that the Clear BSD is a Free Software License on its licenses page; that was good enough for us, since OSI is less about "is it open source" and more about "is this license a good idea" |
| 08:52:41 | crschmidt: | So the decisions are social instead of technical/legal. |
| 08:54:35 | seven: | OK. I thought that this might also encourage third parties to contribute if they carry around patents. |
| 08:54:44 | : | * seven does not have any, does not want any and could not care less |
| 08:55:30 | crschmidt: | In general, I've not yet encountered any third partieswho held patents they were concerned about ( other than MC ) |
| 08:55:42 | seven: | Ack |
| 08:55:44 | crschmidt: | and MC is only worried from a theoretical standpoint, not because we actually have anything patented in OL |
| 08:56:27 | seven: | Thanks. |
| 08:56:32 | crschmidt: | np. |