| 07:17:52 | FrankW: | darkblue_B: is this a good time to expand on your message from yesterday? Or would you prefer to do it by email? |
| 07:26:08 | darkblue_B: | aha hi FrankW |
| 07:26:15 | darkblue_B: | just getting started here in California |
| 07:26:49 | darkblue_B: | when I was in graduate school for green/nonprofit business, I discovered two deep resources here in the SF Bay Area |
| 07:27:07 | darkblue_B: | one is the business library on UC Berkeley Campus |
| 07:27:46 | darkblue_B: | the other is called the Foundation Center, in the wealthy part of downtown San Francisco.. a small'ish place, but with periodocals and publications I had never seen before |
| 07:28:14 | darkblue_B: | its really an eye opener if you have never looked at some of the material that is produced |
| 07:28:19 | darkblue_B: | for example, Trade Associations, here in the US |
| 07:28:29 | darkblue_B: | there is a literl phone book of Trade Associations |
| 07:28:55 | darkblue_B: | somehow, there are attorneys and management that understand the legal and funding foundations of Trade Associations |
| 07:29:04 | darkblue_B: | I had never seen this.. |
| 07:29:20 | FrankW: | I understand Tyler is going to be in the area in the not too distant future. Might he benefit from a visit? |
| 07:29:20 | darkblue_B: | but apparently, its a huge thing |
| 07:29:29 | darkblue_B: | well yes, thats what I was leading up to |
| 07:29:52 | darkblue_B: | I am not sure how much good a single visit does in one sense.. but to know it exists |
| 07:29:58 | darkblue_B: | it broadens the horizons |
| 07:30:28 | FrankW: | It would be helpful to be able to tap into "resources for foundations". |
| 07:30:28 | darkblue_B: | I understand OSGeo is International, however, I cant help but think there is opportunity in the US for US forms, to complement the whoile |
| 07:30:36 | darkblue_B: | yes - most definitely |
| 07:31:12 | FrankW: | Is there a web face to the Foundation Center/ |
| 07:31:14 | FrankW: | ? |
| 07:31:18 | darkblue_B: | looking |
| 07:31:48 | darkblue_B: | yep - www.foundationcenter.org |
| 07:32:06 | darkblue_B: | the woman I work with in SF had keys, as I recall |
| 07:32:17 | darkblue_B: | that was a few years ago |
| 07:32:32 | darkblue_B: | so there is some kind of informal network, too |
| 07:33:20 | darkblue_B: | now, mind you that foundations are the ones with the cash |
| 07:33:37 | darkblue_B: | they are a tax vehicle for the very wealthy |
| 07:33:39 | FrankW: | yes, we misuse the term compared to it's normal meaning. |
| 07:33:59 | darkblue_B: | but they are required by law to dispurse some amount of the money per year |
| 07:34:15 | darkblue_B: | .. its the goodness and light side of tax evasion ;- ) |
| 07:34:22 | FrankW: | lol |
| 07:36:51 | FrankW: | Since our launch we had the theory that part of our income should be derived from grants from public ( government ) organizations and from private foundations, and that we would need to write ( potentially lots of ) proposals to seek such funding. |
| 07:37:04 | FrankW: | But, honestly, we never really knew how to get started on this so nothing ever materialized. |
| 07:37:27 | FrankW: | I assume the foundation center might serve as an information and contact resource to try and start down this path? |
| 07:37:32 | darkblue_B: | yep |
| 07:38:01 | darkblue_B: | actual orgs that work like this have a staff of one or two that does *only* grant writing.. 50 weeks a year |
| 07:38:02 | FrankW: | Once the 501( c )3 papers work is all approved it seems like we would be well positioned to start doing this. |
| 07:38:17 | darkblue_B: | absolutely |
| 07:38:54 | darkblue_B: | unfortunately,we come at a time when longstanding orgs, with annual needs, are climbing over each other to survive |
| 07:39:15 | darkblue_B: | .. some of this is fueled by financial sector "funny money" |
| 07:39:23 | darkblue_B: | .. which has evaporated, in part |
| 07:39:35 | FrankW: | understood. |
| 07:40:31 | FrankW: | I think this is something that Chris Holmes might have useful advise on, as OpenGeo's base funding comes from something like this avenue. |
| 07:40:46 | darkblue_B: | OpenGeo in New York City |
| 07:40:53 | FrankW: | yes |
| 07:40:53 | darkblue_B: | yep - that ssounds right |
| 07:41:46 | FrankW: | I'm quite supportive, though realistically if Tyler is the only one doing the writing it won't get more than 25% of this time in the best case. |
| 07:41:59 | FrankW: | It might make sense to get some outside support on at least a short term basis. |
| 07:42:01 | darkblue_B: | sure - its a capacity question |
| 07:42:06 | FrankW: | some experience and expertise in the process. |
| 07:42:33 | darkblue_B: | I think, like real GIS work, those that are good at it may get out after some time... |
| 07:42:42 | darkblue_B: | .. because its basically hard |
| 07:42:51 | FrankW: | :- ) |
| 07:42:51 | darkblue_B: | but yes |
| 07:43:20 | darkblue_B: | I have a resource through my school for people wanting experience.. |
| 07:43:44 | darkblue_B: | hwoever, there is a dark side to volunteerism, which uses people insuccession |
| 07:44:09 | darkblue_B: | so personally, I think skilled people should always be paid something for their work |
| 07:44:13 | darkblue_B: | even if it is not very much |
| 07:44:21 | FrankW: | I was thinking that we might actually pay someone for a 1-2 month contract. |
| 07:44:32 | darkblue_B: | aha - yes |
| 07:45:12 | FrankW: | Not exactly a major commitment, but enough to make a serious experiment, get a couple proposals out, and hopefully transfer some skills to Tyler. |
| 07:45:28 | FrankW: | ( and to the organization more broadly ) |
| 07:45:45 | darkblue_B: | absolutely.. |
| 07:47:25 | darkblue_B: | biab |
| 07:47:49 | FrankW: | ok - if you would be willing to summarize in email to the board when you have a chance, I'll chime in with some support. |
| 07:47:56 | FrankW: | And we can see were it goes from there. |
| 08:36:53 | FrankW: | TylerM: re: dottedeyes I would think it would be reasonable to expect them to pay expenses for a guest speaker since it seems to be primarily customer oriented. |
| 08:38:28 | TylerM: | Hi Frank, my thought as well |
| 08:45:08 | FrankW: | I would note that there might be a sponsorship opportunity in here, with a bit of quid-pro-quo. |
| 08:45:55 | FrankW: | Perhaps in return for an association sponsorship it might be possible to have you or Arnulf put in an appearance. |
| 08:46:20 | FrankW: | they do sounds like a great organization, and one we want to stay connected with. |
| 08:46:50 | jmckenna: | dotted |
| 08:47:00 | jmckenna: | oops : ) |
| 09:39:30 | TylerM: | FrankW: precisely what i was thinking too... we'll see where it goes |
| 09:39:45 | TylerM: | ahh, UK |
| 12:42:43 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #513 ( task created ): [new icon] layer related <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/513> |
| 12:50:37 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #514 ( task created ): [new icon] grid <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/514> |
| 17:31:19 | TylerM: | Overview page of current marketing material now available... http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Material_Samples#Deliverables |
| 17:31:22 | sigq: | Title: Marketing Material Samples - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 17:31:34 | TylerM: | will be post all the latest/final versions into SVN shortly |
| 18:35:00 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2749]: adding slides from 2009 AGM - tmitchell <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2749> |
| 18:35:57 | CIA-27: | osgeo: tmitchell * r2749 /community/presentations/ ( 4 files in 3 dirs ): adding slides from 2009 AGM - tmitchell |
| 18:37:01 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2750]: preview of presentation template <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2750> |
| 18:37:09 | CIA-27: | osgeo: tmitchell * r2750 /marketing/present/preview.png: preview of presentation template |
| 18:41:56 | CIA-27: | osgeo: tmitchell * r2751 /marketing/present/ ( OSGeo_template_2009.odp preview.png OSGeo_template_2009.pdf ): setting mime types |
| 18:43:02 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2751]: setting mime types <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2751> |
| 19:27:54 | TylerM: | trying a large commit... cross our collective fingers |
| 19:28:37 | : | * FrankW scurries to watch monitoring tools... |
| 19:29:08 | FrankW: | load average climbing, but only very modestly... |
| 19:30:22 | FrankW: | what is the commit? |
| 19:30:57 | FrankW: | I am concerned that we are at times putting inappropriate things in svn and this increases out sensitivity to bots and big checkouts. |
| 19:56:31 | TylerM: | could very well be... |
| 19:56:46 | TylerM: | it's a bunch of marketing document files - jpg, pdf, etc |
| 19:57:48 | TylerM: | it is stuff we actually end up changing, so i'm hoping svn will work without too much difficulty since we don't have much other choice for collaboratively managing these files |
| 19:59:15 | TylerM: | btw it's about 900MB of files.. about 500 files |
| 19:59:33 | FrankW: | A freaking gig? |
| 19:59:38 | : | * FrankW resigns from SAC. |
| 19:59:46 | FrankW: | ok, maybe not, but ouch. |
| 20:00:19 | FrankW: | You know that is a serious amount of disk space still for osgeo1. |
| 20:15:08 | TylerM: | yeah i keep an eye on it.. the good thing is that this will replace a whack of what's on there and already larger i'd guess |
| 20:15:25 | TylerM: | looks like it failed anyway :/ |
| 20:15:43 | TylerM: | Transmitting file data .......................svn: Commit failed ( details follow ): |
| 20:15:43 | TylerM: | svn: PUT of '/osgeo/!svn/wrk/7761db3d-74e3-4587-98ab-08409999eb8c/marketing/material_2009/Brochure/Inkscape%20Files/AI%20Files%20for%20Inkscape/Geo%20Brochure%20FIN%20( Letter )1-1.dat': Could not send request body: Network is unreachable ( http://svn.osgeo.org ) |
| 20:15:58 | TylerM: | i'll take a different lighter approach then : ) |
| 20:16:54 | FrankW: | :- ) |
| 20:17:10 | FrankW: | I'd note that replacing doesn't mean much in the world of svn where everything exists forever. |
| 20:17:27 | TylerM: | guh good point |
| 20:17:45 | FrankW: | but don't pay too much attention to me. I'm on my second post-work beer and mainlining http://xkcd.com. |
| 20:17:46 | sigq: | Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe ( at xkcd.com. ) |
| 20:17:49 | TylerM: | I basically got a small DVD in the mail of our marketing deliverables.. so trying to find best way to make it accessible |
| 20:18:02 | TylerM: | lol |
| 20:18:15 | : | * FrankW suggests download.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing |
| 20:18:25 | FrankW: | Though backing that up is also at times non-trivial |
| 20:18:50 | TylerM: | i can imagine |
| 20:18:51 | FrankW: | I found the foss4g area pretty bulky today when I ran my mirror script for the first time in a month or so. |
| 20:20:19 | TylerM: | lol - I can imagine, all the presentation workshop stuff in there by now i guess |
| 20:20:45 | FrankW: | I'm reasonably confident this is a good thing, but some of them are pretty bulky. |
| 20:21:39 | FrankW: | But tonight I am feeling to funky/fuzzy to be the voice of retro-conservatism. |
| 20:21:40 | TylerM: | wow a quick check of svn.. the osgeo/local, journal, education, marketing all breached 2G, 1G, 0.5G, 3.4G - that's some heavy lifting |
| 20:21:55 | TylerM: | ( respectively ) |
| 20:22:06 | FrankW: | ouch |
| 20:22:47 | TylerM: | well at least some of this stuff in many of these branches could very well afford to lose all their history once a year when/if space becomes an issue |
| 20:23:36 | TylerM: | that's the file space on _my_ system.. without the marketing stuff truly committed yet ( whew ) |
| 20:23:39 | FrankW: | egad, I've got 25GB under my mirror of the livedvd directory. |
| 20:23:49 | FrankW: | ( from download.osgeo.org ) |
| 20:23:59 | FrankW: | but I don't think my rsync script is deleting old stuff. |
| 20:24:03 | TylerM: | hope no jets fly between your house and the satellite |
| 20:24:08 | FrankW: | I don't mirror svn. |
| 20:24:41 | FrankW: | I wonder about the impact on hobu's svnmirror server which I believe is at telascience. |
| 20:25:23 | TylerM: | I only ever touch the osgeo one.. I assume some others get a lot more action than it ? |
| 20:26:19 | : | * FrankW runs "du" over the /var/www/svn/repos directory.... |
| 20:26:38 | TylerM: | just realising my mirror is out of date too.. |
| 20:26:52 | TylerM: | lots more marketing/flyers for each project in there, in german.. cool |
| 20:27:57 | FrankW: | Now that "du" is driving up the load average. |
| 20:29:45 | FrankW: | http://osgeo.pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 20:29:46 | sigq: | Title: pastebin - Type, paste, share. ( at osgeo.pastebin.ca ) |
| 20:30:10 | FrankW: | I'm afraid the osgeo repository wins the "pig" sweepstakes. |
| 20:30:22 | TylerM: | ~snort~snort~ |
| 20:31:19 | TylerM: | half that's the local chapter stuff.. stuff i've never even seen lol |
| 20:32:12 | : | * FrankW fears what will happen to the server when some bot requests some of *those* changesets from trac. |
| 20:32:15 | TylerM: | oh man, the livedvd vm is in there too |
| 20:32:22 | FrankW: | in svn? |
| 20:32:28 | TylerM: | yeah :S |
| 20:32:29 | : | * FrankW backs away slowly... |
| 20:32:47 | TylerM: | hopefully only .sh files an d.html |
| 20:32:51 | TylerM: | and .html |
| 20:32:58 | TylerM: | but a bunch of zip too |
| 20:33:00 | FrankW: | ah, not so bad. |
| 20:33:20 | TylerM: | just updating my end right now |
| 20:33:27 | FrankW: | Well, I'm going to go do dishes or something till my wife gets home from work lest I crack open another beer. |
| 20:33:37 | TylerM: | ewww night shift? |
| 20:33:43 | FrankW: | evening. |
| 20:33:46 | TylerM: | good night - take it easy |
| 20:33:51 | FrankW: | Night is 11:00pm to 7am |
| 20:33:53 | FrankW: | later |
| 20:34:21 | TylerM: | cya |
| 20:34:33 | TylerM: | time for me crash too - fencing tournament tomorrow - en garde! |
| 20:34:41 | FrankW: | ! |
| 21:06:07 | wildintellect: | really someone put the vm in svn |
| 21:06:13 | wildintellect: | that seems odd |
| 21:06:51 | wildintellect: | uh yes the the sh scripts and some text files should be there, but no actual image |
| 21:35:51 | TylerM: | no, you guys are better behaved than me ;- ) |