#OSGEO IRC Log - 2009-12-07

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02:38:11 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2756]: updates to add cc-lic, academic track, fixed nimalikas link <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2756>
02:48:18 CIA-27: osgeo: simonh * r2756 /foss4g/2009/website/foss4g09_staticmatic/ ( 40 files in 28 dirs ): updates to add cc-lic, academic track, fixed nimalikas link
02:50:12 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2757]: added gvsig gsoc slides and meeting freemind file <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2757>
02:51:09 CIA-27: osgeo: jsanz * r2757 /community/presentations/20091204-gvsig-valencia/ ( 120 files in 10 dirs ): added gvsig gsoc slides and meeting freemind file
04:53:52 kiorky: heelo
04:54:03 kiorky: im trying to compile geos3.2rc3 on cygwin
04:54:13 kiorky: but i cant suceed in making make check pass
04:54:17 kiorky: here is my gdb output :
04:55:28 kiorky: http://pastebin.ca/1705555
04:55:29 sigq: Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1705555 ( at pastebin.ca )
05:51:46 kiorky: No one has idea ? I posted more information on this thread: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.geos.devel/2539
05:51:47 sigq: Title: Gmane Loom ( at thread.gmane.org )
06:39:52 bitnerd: flavour: have you seen geoalchemy?
06:40:01 bitnerd: wrong channel
08:26:19 kiorky: no one alive ?
08:26:20 kiorky: :;(
08:27:03 TylerM: hi kiorky - what's up?
08:27:26 kiorky: TylerM: you didnt notice my firest messsages ; )
08:27:43 kiorky: TylerM: mainly because of that http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.geos.devel/2539
08:27:45 sigq: Title: Gmane Loom ( at thread.gmane.org )
08:27:49 kiorky: got problems with geos under cygwin
08:28:18 TylerM: ouch, good luck :(
08:29:00 kiorky: TylerM: no idea ?
08:29:19 TylerM: no, i'm not a developer so don't really understand troubles like that.
08:29:23 TylerM: which version of geos code is it?
08:29:38 TylerM: i'm assuming it's fairly recent?
08:29:42 kiorky: i tried both 3.0, 3.2 and trunk
08:29:51 kiorky: im a python guy, not a c guy
08:30:04 kiorky: so my knowledge and understandings are limited with c++
08:30:11 hobu: kiorky: use msvc. cygwin isn't really supported for geos
08:30:21 kiorky: hobu: i have no choice
08:30:41 kiorky: hobu: problem is that i have a project with ton of dependencies which some wont run under msvc
08:30:59 hobu: you're on your own then, I'm afraid
08:31:25 kiorky: hobu: i think, it's not a big deal to repair, but i dont know how
08:32:03 TylerM: building on windows has always been scary to me, one reason I switched to linux... now i can just 'get it done' : )
08:32:16 TylerM: but then again, visual basic 15 years ago wasn't exactly fun ; )
08:32:28 kiorky: TylerM: well, i got buttons when launching rdekstop
08:32:35 kiorky: and this current port is really a PITA for me
08:33:16 kiorky: hobu: oth, its good to have your software running on another platform ; )
08:33:28 nhv: kiorky I can't seem to reach gmane but if you are the guy who emailed list about running under gdb then you need to add -g to your compiler flags
08:33:40 kiorky: hobu: are there really odd problems toward geos/cygwin ?
08:34:14 kiorky: nhv: i already had -g in cflags
08:34:21 hobu: very likely due to the assumption that running geos on windows will always be compiled with msvc.
08:34:34 hobu: there are no cygwin or even mingw users that are geos devs
08:34:51 kiorky: nhv: http://pastebin.ca/1705780
08:34:52 sigq: Title: pastebin - Untitled - post number 1705780 ( at pastebin.ca )
08:35:23 kiorky: nhv: did you looked the second mail
08:36:30 kiorky: nhv: http://pastebin.ca/1705785, i think that trace would be more interessant, isnt it ?
08:37:08 pramsey: are you wedded to cygwin necessarily? What about mingw?
08:37:39 pramsey: hobu, actually the postgis build is tied to mingw stil
08:37:39 kiorky: hobu: but looking for mailing and so on, i am not alone to use cygwin+geos, its not impossible, if something jkust break, it may not be too bad to fix it, even if it is not supported officially
08:37:40 pramsey: still
08:38:08 : * pramsey is running 'make check' right now to see if it goes boom. I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but I need a reminder.
08:38:33 kiorky: pramsey: msys/mingw or cygwin ?
08:38:46 pramsey: msys/mingw
08:38:49 pramsey: not cygwin
08:38:57 kiorky: ok, i am using cygwin
08:39:07 kiorky: ( as i say, i cant use either msys or msvc )
08:39:07 pramsey: oh, hum the pthread test doesn't even build
08:39:45 nhv: kiorky ah I see your second email now but am afraid I can't help you as I don't have a cygwin install anymore
08:39:53 pramsey: then you're probably close to alone
08:39:59 pramsey: cygwin is not much used anymore
08:39:59 kiorky: nhv: i can be your hands
08:42:35 kiorky: pramsey: did you looked on the trace i posted on the mailing, or on the pastebin ?
08:42:56 pramsey: yes, believe me, this is not goign to be an easy problem to solve
08:43:07 pramsey: easy problems are ones that happen in every environment
08:43:28 pramsey: ones that require a particular compiler version of OS to create, almost always hairy buggers
08:46:25 pramsey: it seems not to like the static GeometryFactory, but why?
08:46:37 : * pramsey is not close to qualified to know.
08:52:53 : * stvn ponders how to check the accuracy of geodata
08:56:21 TylerM: stvn - I know the folks over at 1spatial.com make it their business - perhaps they blog about that sort of thing
09:12:02 FrankW: stvn: this is in regard to wcs accuracy?
09:12:28 pramsey: kiorky: if it's any consolation, I can't regress on mingw either
09:13:01 pramsey: however, if you go to tests/xmltester and 'make check' there, hopefully you'll get my result, which is all several thousand tests pass
09:14:36 kiorky: pramsey: the initial problem is that i get problems using the dll with ctypes
09:14:42 kiorky: ( python )
09:15:02 pramsey: ah. far away from my land of knowledge
09:15:28 kiorky: pramsey: so for me, if the tests pass, all, my problem will not be with geos
09:15:46 kiorky: pramsey: but thing is that ctypes is working, i can use other libraries with it
09:16:07 kiorky: ( its not my code, but something in djnago.contrib.gis which run well on other platforms )
09:23:22 stvn: FrankW: yes
09:24:04 FrankW: stvn: I would suggest you start by comparing the georeferencing reported by DescribeCoverage to the actual georeferencing of the file.
09:24:45 FrankW: Once that looks fine, construct a full resolution request and ensure you get back exactly the expected pixels. I generally save to a file and then overlay on the image itself, or compare image checksums with gdalinfo.
09:24:51 kiorky: pramsey: with mingw/msys it doesnt build here
09:24:55 kiorky: ( 3.2rc3 )
09:25:03 FrankW: Once you are satisfied with full resolution results you can experiment with sub and supersampled images.
09:25:07 pramsey: builds for me, but the tests don't build
09:25:09 kiorky: ( make check does not compile )
09:25:12 pramsey: right
09:25:16 pramsey: missing pthreads
09:25:31 pramsey: but you can compile and check in tests/xmltester
09:25:37 pramsey: which doesn't have a pthreads requirement
09:26:27 kiorky: pramsey: http://pastebin.com/m5e3b0ea4
09:26:28 sigq: Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool ( at pastebin.com )
09:26:54 stvn: FrankW: that seems like a solid plan, thanks
09:27:08 pramsey: news to me, kiorky
09:28:48 kiorky: pramsey: im affraid we will go for a virtualbox solution on that box tomorrow
09:29:03 kiorky: pramsey: there are so problem sources on that platform ...
10:00:01 kiorky: pramsey: may i know why you are so against xygwin ?
10:00:22 pramsey: I'm not against it, people just dont use it anymore.
10:00:28 kiorky: ok
10:00:46 pramsey: Because they want things more "windows Native" and achieve that either with full-on MSVC or with Msys/Mingw
10:00:52 kiorky: pramsey: but, as an user, i had less pain to have sqtuff working on it that with other solutions
10:00:57 kiorky: ( mixing mingw/msvc )
10:01:01 pramsey: apparently not : )
10:01:13 pramsey: anyhows, if you want minimal pain use linux
10:01:16 kiorky: pramsey: my only stopper is geos atm : )
10:01:30 kiorky: pramsey: yeah, we are tied by contract
10:01:37 kiorky: pramsey: i am far from a windows user
10:02:10 kiorky: pramsey: i even would not imagine one month ago to do what i am doing right now ...
10:05:15 kiorky: pramsey: what is surprising me so far is that geos does not rely on much dependencies, so, it must have worked quite otb on cygwin.
10:06:09 kiorky: but, i should have made wrong assumptions.
10:17:57 FrankW: pramsey: What is the reference to a "QC event" on the sprint list about?
10:19:44 pramsey: Quebec City
10:20:04 FrankW: Is this a alternate sprint to NYC?
10:20:21 pramsey: No, it's a FOSS4G style speaking event hosted in Quebec
10:20:45 pramsey: The goal is to take advantage of the NYC travel to bring in some speakers who otherwise wouldn't be there
10:20:45 FrankW: what is the connection to the sprint?
10:20:53 pramsey: Schedule connection only.
10:20:56 FrankW: It comes just before or after the QC event?
10:21:10 FrankW: I think I'm grasping the situation now.
10:21:12 pramsey: NYC would be just before, the QC event would probably be Thur/Fri.
10:21:22 FrankW: gotcha, thanks.
10:28:00 : * TylerM adds that to his radar.. sounds like a good excuse...
12:43:32 : * seven unfortunately cannot join the NYC sprint, conflicts with other event. Not a big loss to the sprint though... :- )
12:45:08 seven: Anybody heard of U-City project in Korea? U for ubiqitous, reminds me a bit of big brother is watching you and 1984
12:45:22 seven: but also lots of potential for Open Source software.
12:45:36 TylerM: hi seven - it rings a bell, just not sure why
12:45:39 : * seven just heard an intro about it at the OGC TC Meeting.
12:45:47 TylerM: our the osgeo korea guys into u-city?
12:46:04 TylerM: ahh i see
12:46:09 seven: I dunno, can you check with them please?
12:46:24 seven: I would like to keep track of this.
12:46:56 TylerM: yup endofcap @ gmail.com is sanghee shin over there
12:47:29 TylerM: got a url for the project?
12:48:19 dbitner: which I think is just a couple hours away )
12:48:41 dbitner: TylerM: End of OAM voting is at midnight GMT tonight
12:48:51 TylerM: yeah 2 hours from now
12:48:59 TylerM: or ..
12:49:08 TylerM: thought it was anyway
12:49:11 dbitner: so fair game for you to start anytime after then
12:49:33 TylerM: you mean..
12:49:38 TylerM: start of compilimg votes, yeah no problem
12:49:54 dbitner: at your leisure
12:50:07 dbitner: do we have a lot of votes?
12:50:15 dbitner: voters that is
12:50:15 TylerM: 10-12 I think
12:50:29 dbitner: ok, so not too bad for you then
12:51:08 TylerM: oh yeah no problem at all
12:51:17 dbitner: thanks again for doing this for us
12:51:58 TylerM: any time
13:14:00 CIA-27: osgeo: tmitchell * r2758 /marketing/website/ ( 5 files in 2 dirs ): branding ideas
13:14:01 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2758]: branding ideas <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2758>
13:15:04 CIA-27: osgeo: tmitchell * r2759 /marketing/website/design/ ( size_test.jpg draft1a.jpg draft1b.jpg draft2a.jpg ): branding ideas
13:15:05 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2759]: branding ideas <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2759>
13:46:03 TylerM: wildintellect: i'm looking at confirming aag booth - anything else to consdier
13:46:03 TylerM: ?
13:46:07 TylerM: consider : )
13:46:39 wildintellect: should marketing approve it at the meeting this week?
13:47:44 TylerM: i'll reserve it now with the expectation of booking it.. I think there will be enough members there to make good use of it
13:47:47 TylerM: You agree?
13:48:11 wildintellect: should be, though I can't guarantee any of the normal CA folks this year
13:48:27 TylerM: even with the typical 2 free passes?
13:48:32 TylerM: understandable : )
13:49:52 wildintellect: that might entice me
13:50:07 wildintellect: I have to find affordable lodging though
15:24:40 CIA-27: osgeo: tmitchell * r2760 /marketing/website/ ( 5 files in 2 dirs ): minor reorg
15:24:41 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2760]: minor reorg <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2760>
21:21:12 spatialguru: ping bitner
21:22:09 TylerM: nm, will mail