#OSGEO IRC Log - 2009-12-11

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00:43:00 CIA-9: osgeo: lbecchi * r2774 /foss4g/2010/documents/ ( 57 files in 11 dirs ): added all available public documents: posters, flyers, ...
00:43:53 CIA-9: osgeo: jsanz * r2775 /community/presentations/20091204-gvsig-valencia/gsoc-osgeo-gvsig/gvsig-osgeo-gsoc.pdf: added handout version of the slides
00:43:54 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2775]: added handout version of the slides <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2775>
01:03:14 agelos: hi all
01:03:28 agelos: i found this intresting topic: http://www.vterrain.org/Elevation/contour.html
01:03:30 sigq: Title: Elevation Contour Data ( at www.vterrain.org )
01:03:51 agelos: i am trying to "Convert from irregular points or contour maps to an elevation grid"
01:04:07 agelos: any ideas on how to do this with free software ?
01:40:21 agelos: grass has the same functionality ... ! doesn't it ?
06:39:32 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #386 ( task closed ): foss4g2007.org dns <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/386#comment:5>
06:44:41 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #516 ( task created ): Host foss4g2006 files on OSGeo server <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/516>
08:19:08 sigq: osgeofeed: Ticket #517 ( task created ): Purchase foss4g2011.org domain <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/517>
09:03:44 FrankW: jmckenna: around? spatialguru: around?
09:03:58 FrankW: I'd like to talk about #517 - foss4g.org vs. ross4g2011.org.
09:04:14 FrankW: jmckenna: you ask about having a designer for foss4g.org. I'm not sure what that is necessary.
09:04:36 FrankW: It seems like it could be relatively simple with pointers to the various years.
09:04:41 FrankW: It shouldn't need to be super fancy.
09:04:51 jmckenna: here here. i'd love to see a proper splash page for foss4g.org
09:06:13 jmckenna: i ask because i could hack one together but i think it's important to have it done properly. i'd really like it to promote our wonderful event. so in that case i request a professional.
09:06:45 FrankW: It would just be pointing on to the annual sites. I don't see why it has to be fancy as long as it isn't terribly lame.
09:07:43 FrankW: Hmm, spatialguru does not seem to be responding - must be otherwise occupied.
09:08:40 FrankW: I'd like to see http://foss4g.org not being the entrance to OCS since that puts a bunch of stuff in peoples face that is ( imho ) distracting and confusing.
09:08:42 sigq: Title: OSGeo Events ( at foss4g.org )
09:08:50 FrankW: And I don't even know how to update it.
09:09:32 jmckenna: yes i meant that we can't use OCS as front end for foss4g.org, but a simple yet catchy portal page in html to our past and current event
09:09:32 FrankW: BTW, it seems a bit odd that we use ominiverdi as our favicon for 2010.foss4g.org.
09:09:50 jmckenna: i noticed that also
09:10:03 jmckenna: i'll mention that
09:10:42 jmckenna: i'd also like to have a news splash on it to announce the 2011 call for hosting
09:11:02 jmckenna: ( that will be happening )
09:11:33 FrankW: I see ocs is hosted on osgeo1.
09:12:15 FrankW: I'm going to see what I can do to have the main page be a plain html page.
09:13:21 jmckenna: k
09:13:58 FrankW: I think we should start a wiki page off the conference committee page discussing where the web sites all live, who is responsible, and best practices for new years.
09:15:14 jmckenna: this is a good idea and i also thought of this the other day, but did not do it
09:15:29 FrankW: I'm willing to contribute to it.
09:15:43 jmckenna: ok i will start it
09:15:49 FrankW: we can cross connected it from the SAC page too.
09:16:53 jmckenna: event, servername, folder location, domain controlled by, domain expires,...
09:19:20 FrankW: wow, 1GB of stuff in /var/www/ocs2
09:19:46 FrankW: I don't get the impression that Tyler is aggressive cleaning up old experiments.
09:29:07 jmckenna: yikes
09:31:00 FrankW: I now have http://foss4g.org/static/index.html
09:31:12 FrankW: but I'm not sure how to do a rewrite rule to direct only foss4g.org/ to that page.
09:31:25 FrankW: without messing everything else under foss4g.org up.
09:32:03 FrankW: Time to read the rewrite docs.
09:37:15 : * jmckenna dusts of the conference committee wiki page
09:38:34 jmckenna: to bring this all back to life, I'm going to propose Cameron Shorter as a new OSGeo Conference Committee member now.
09:55:32 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2776]: preliminary static foss4g.org web site <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2776>
09:55:46 CIA-9: osgeo: warmerdam * r2776 /foss4g/ ( foss4g.org foss4g.org/static/index.html foss4g.org/static ): preliminary static foss4g.org web site
09:58:05 FrankW: jmckenna: ok, you can work on http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/foss4g.org/static to flesh out the site.
09:58:06 sigq: Title: osgeo - Revision 2776: /foss4g/foss4g.org/static ( at svn.osgeo.org )
09:58:27 FrankW: I'll setup a job to update the visible site periodically, but for immediate updates you will need to ask someone with admin rights on osgeo1.
09:58:31 FrankW: Sorry about that aspect.
09:58:54 jmckenna: ok thanks for this.
09:58:57 FrankW: A stub is in place for http://foss4g.org/
09:59:31 jmckenna: great
10:13:58 spatialguru_: hi guys - lorenzo and I were planning to take a kick at the foss4g landing page.. but naturally if others are interested hopefully it will go faster..
10:14:02 spatialguru_: good start frank, thanks!
10:15:35 FrankW: Well, it's in svn now, so any of us can improve it, but I'll let jmckenna take his crack at it.
10:15:51 FrankW: I think we should make it reasonably attractive but not get hung up on it.
10:16:01 pramsey: not having a redirect would be attractive : )
10:16:13 FrankW: It should mostly just be a pointer to different resources with the pointer to the current conference being the obvious next step.
10:16:15 wildintellect: true, it's just a landing page that needs to point to all the current past and future confs
10:16:46 FrankW: pramsey: you don't like the rewrite pointing to static/index.html? I don't know how else to avoid having OCS seize control.
10:16:48 TylerM: jmckenna: you are going to do some more with the page then?
10:17:03 TylerM: hmm OCS control.. good question
10:17:28 TylerM: I should be able to change it to use OCS at foss4g.org/ocs instead
10:17:29 jmckenna: if you an lorenzo have some time and skills to make it simple yet effective go for it!
10:17:45 pramsey: correct, I think the re-write is ugly, so moving OCS would be nice
10:17:55 FrankW: TylerM: ok, feel free to make it so.
10:18:05 TylerM: jmckenna: I'd like to stick the logos for each event in there.. can you point me to any easy place to get them all?
10:18:07 FrankW: I just did what was within my capabilities without badly breaking stuff.
10:18:20 TylerM: that was great.. i was wondering how you did it : )
10:18:33 wildintellect: is the apache config somewhere that I can look at it and see if I have suggestions?
10:18:46 FrankW: small changes to /etc/httpd/conf.d/hosts/conference.conf
10:19:03 FrankW: wildintellect: only if you are an osgeo primary administrator with root access on osgeo1.
10:19:05 TylerM: wildintellect: there are some OCS specific settings as well that would have to be tweaked.. i'm checking it out now
10:19:26 wildintellect: FrankW, I don't want to edit it just view the contents
10:19:39 jmckenna: i was wondering if we should have a designer help us for foss4g.org, instead of just banners for each event
10:19:53 : * FrankW slaps forehead.
10:20:12 TylerM: that was a hard slap
10:20:17 wildintellect: we should probably use some of the branding that's come out of the redesign ideas for the OSgeo homepage
10:20:31 jmckenna: was that at me? i didn't mean it in a bad way. i'm just asking
10:20:45 TylerM: jmckenna: I could easily get a bit of help from designers, but I think we likely have some stuff we could re-use already.. one sec
10:21:03 jmckenna: sure a template is fine.
10:21:06 TylerM: frank must have forgot something : )
10:22:03 TylerM: foss4g doesn't have it's own logo or colours really does it?
10:22:05 jmckenna: i didn't mean to upset you guys.
10:22:15 TylerM: upset?
10:22:30 TylerM: is someone cursing you privately? ;- )
10:23:05 jmckenna: foss4g brand only has the ribbon, which has changed through the years but always has remained
10:23:09 wildintellect: no it seems Foss4g changes colors every year based on local committee
10:23:37 wildintellect: hmm, maybe we can do the ribbon bit in the OSGeo colors
10:23:39 TylerM: that's what designers would want to know.. so might as well pull some together ourselves first anyway
10:24:04 TylerM: Are logos plopped in a folder somewhere already?
10:24:11 jmckenna: yes exactly what i was typing - this would be what i would tell a designer, about the ribbon being our brand.
10:24:39 jmckenna: all logos do not exist in a nice easy folder. i would be searching just like you : ) sorry
10:25:05 TylerM: okay : )
10:25:31 jmckenna: i think 2007 and 2009 images are in our svn, rest i guess we would have to search/save
10:25:50 wildintellect: just glancing at 2007-2009 those are all quite different
10:26:24 TylerM: k
10:32:19 wildintellect: TylerM, seems like the apache config should be straighforward as OCS is just a php thing that can live in any subdirectory you tell it to
10:32:49 TylerM: right there is a base url setting i'll have to change too.. shouldn't be any trouble done it a few times now
10:33:00 TylerM: scrounging for logos right now
10:55:45 TylerM: does this svn message mean anything to anybody?
10:55:45 TylerM: svn: Commit failed ( details follow ):
10:55:45 TylerM: svn: Server sent unexpected return value ( 405 Method Not Allowed ) in response to MKCOL request for '/osgeo/!svn/wrk/6b5a3edd-3788-41a8-8691-12a148390d43/foss4g/foss4g.org'
10:55:45 TylerM: :(
10:55:48 TylerM: trying to commit some new folders and files
10:56:31 TylerM: maybe it doesn't like a folder with a . in the name?
10:57:07 TylerM: yep, that seems like the trouble
10:57:14 TylerM: didn't like a folder called foss4g.org :P
10:57:16 TylerM: picky picky
10:58:08 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2777 /foss4g/ ( 10 files in 3 dirs ): finding logos
10:58:15 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2777]: finding logos <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2777>
11:01:16 wildintellect: I'm discovering just how hard it is to draw a ribbon
11:01:18 agelos: hi all!
11:01:35 TylerM: wildintellect: heh
11:01:37 TylerM: hi agelos
11:01:57 agelos: i am looking for an interpolation method to convert contours to an elevation grid
11:02:29 agelos: do you know any ?
11:02:34 agelos: i am using .net
11:02:49 TylerM: hmm.. I'm not sure about much in the .net world myself.
11:02:59 jmckenna: TylerM: http://old-mapserver.gis.umn.edu/mum/mtg2005.html
11:03:00 sigq: Title: Open Source Geospatial '05 ( at old-mapserver.gis.umn.edu )
11:03:11 TylerM: you reading my mind jmckenna ? : )
11:03:23 jmckenna: : ) i'm good for something, hehe
11:04:54 TylerM: agelos: there are a few other packages that might help, but I'm afraid you'd have to leave .net behind. is that an option?
11:05:09 agelos: yeah sure why not!
11:05:15 TylerM: that's the spirit! ;- )
11:05:27 agelos: lol
11:05:30 TylerM: Anyone know if gdal command line utilities can do it?
11:05:45 TylerM: I recall seeing a script that sounded like that but never used it.
11:05:46 jmckenna: gdaldem?
11:06:13 TylerM: cool
11:06:23 TylerM: i was thinking of gdal_contour but I guess it's the other way : )
11:06:31 TylerM: agelos: http://gdal.org/gdal_utilities.html
11:06:32 sigq: Title: GDAL: GDAL Utilities ( at gdal.org )
11:06:50 TylerM: gdaldem seems like that too.. requires an input raster.
11:06:59 TylerM: agelos: are you inputs vectors or raster contours?
11:07:40 agelos: vectors
11:08:17 TylerM: I bet GRASS GIS can handle it
11:08:27 TylerM: not a problem I've handled before, sorry :[
11:08:58 TylerM: Sextante as well which seems to specialise in that sort of thing.
11:09:57 TylerM: you might try asking on the #gdal channel or #qgis channel for ideas as well
11:10:02 TylerM: and #grass of course
11:13:20 agelos: thanks
11:13:43 jmckenna: TylerM: more from 2005 http://www.osgeo.org/sites/osgeo.org/files/webfiles/conference/archives/osg2005/osg05-banners.zip
11:14:16 TylerM: k
11:14:34 jmckenna: 2007: http://www.osgeo.org/sites/osgeo.org/files/webfiles/conference/archives/foss4g/2007/foss4g2007_logo.zip
11:14:54 jmckenna: 2008: http://conference.osgeo.org/public/conferences/1/homeHeaderLogoImage_en_US.jpg
11:14:57 TylerM: wildintellect: thx for the directions to meet you.. i could sms when at info booth, sounds easy
11:14:58 TylerM: thx
11:15:25 TylerM: jmckenna: think i got enough unless these are better than what i just committed
11:15:33 jmckenna: ok np
11:15:41 TylerM: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/main/logos/
11:15:42 sigq: Title: osgeo - Revision 2777: /foss4g/main/logos ( at svn.osgeo.org )
11:17:09 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2778 /foss4g/main/logos/2005.png: add 2005
11:17:09 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2779 /foss4g/main/logos/2005.png: add 2005
11:17:09 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2779]: add 2005 <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2779>
11:19:43 jmckenna: wow, nice to see all the ribbons through the years. also nice to see something that has existed throughout this changing industry. great great
11:21:36 jmckenna: here is the link to the .eps file for the original ribbon banner ( awesome that we still have it ) to give to a designer: http://www.osgeo.org/sites/osgeo.org/files/webfiles/conference/archives/osgis2004/osgis04_logo.zip
11:21:57 jmckenna: here is the link to the .eps file for the original ribbon banner ( awesome that we still have it ) to give to a designer: http://www.osgeo.org/sites/osgeo.org/files/webfiles/conference/archives/osgis2004/osgis04_logo.zip
11:22:54 : * jmckenna is not a designer ha
11:27:36 wildintellect: that would have helped me 20 min ago - oh well I've now learned how to make ribbons http://img52.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img52/7660/ribbon1.png
11:27:37 sigq: Title: ImageShack® - Done ( at img52.imageshack.us )
11:28:47 jmckenna: nice. let me know if you need anything else for the ribbons. that eps file will sure be a help ( sorry for the delay )
11:30:32 : * jmckenna i can hear a Seinfeld episode "where's your rrrribbon, why aren't you wearing the rrrrribbon?" ha
11:41:49 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2780 /foss4g/main/logos/ ( 3 files in 2 dirs ): source eps for ribbon
11:41:50 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2780]: source eps for ribbon <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2780>
12:26:33 wildintellect: spatialguru, this is what happens when I procrastinate http://img24.imageshack.us/i/ribbon3s.png/
12:26:33 sigq: Title: Imageshack - ribbon3s ( at img24.imageshack.us )
13:35:05 spatialguru_: wildintellect: wow - you must be really bored ; )
13:36:48 wildintellect: turns out, not so hard once you get the hang of editing nodes and masking ( I can upload inkscape svg, should probably adjust green to official OSGeo 1st )
13:38:44 wildintellect: TylerM, you still planning to stay overnight in Davis on the 16th?
13:38:58 TylerM: yes, right
13:39:33 TylerM: I've got vector files ( eps ) for the ribbon logo already too
13:39:46 wildintellect: ok good, I'm sending out the community invite now 4pm talk 5:15 social at local est - will pick somewhere for dinner after that
13:40:07 wildintellect: you saying you don't think my ribbon's good enough ...
13:43:30 TylerM: not sure we need another incarnation of it that's all
13:44:21 wildintellect: ah true - wasn't sure how official it had become considering the liberties taken the last few years
13:49:00 TylerM: 2010 incorporated it strongly the 'traditional' way at least : )
13:50:19 wildintellect: what about color selection?
13:50:42 wildintellect: should we be aligning it with the Foundation color scheme to show association?
13:50:42 TylerM: my thought was to mainly make the 2010 'current' event the main showpiece
13:52:50 wildintellect: ah I see 2 ways to go - 1 the main page looks and feels like the current/future Foss4g with easy to find links to prior, or 2 the page has a generic look of OSGeo that highlights the conference and gives almost equal weight to each prior conf
13:53:43 wildintellect: the problem with option 1 is what to do with it between the end of 1 conf and beginning of marketing for the next
14:28:42 spatialguru_: darn irc or my wifi today arg...
14:32:21 jlivni: bay area user group meeting tonight - baugos.com
14:35:11 darkblue_B: the rainy bay
14:35:22 darkblue_B: .. bring your raingear ;- )
14:37:45 springmeyer: jlivni: at Greeninfo jlivni - cool. Tim Sinnott a friend and fellow geography major from Middlebury works there - maybe he'll turn out
14:39:21 jmckenna: jlivni: how many do u get for a meeting usually? ( note anything over '2' is a good answer ha )
14:41:58 spatialguru_: good time for a meeting between OGC closing and AGU starting : )
14:47:29 racicot: jmckenna: we ( CUGOS ) get a pretty consistent 12-15 people every month...
14:47:39 : * racicot not that you asked... ;- )
14:47:48 jlivni: jmckenna: we get 13-16 or so .. we're the competitive branch
14:47:57 darkblue_B: one time at stamen design the whole city showed up
14:48:12 darkblue_B: that was great - though a bit crowded ;- )
14:48:19 racicot: I meant that we get 14-17
14:49:08 darkblue_B: I am on record as not liking bars - but I have tried to get venues for Planetwork events, and I know its challening
14:49:32 darkblue_B: .. so points for effort for sure
15:04:45 jmckenna: good good...that's a good turnout
15:10:31 rburhum: jlivni: yeah, you are talking about the Stamen meeting. Because last time it was really only 4 of us ha ha
15:18:42 spatialguru_: guess i'll be a few days too late to join you, darn...
15:23:40 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2781 /marketing/website/design/parts/ ( 8 files ): more small bits for wolf to juggle
15:24:12 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2781]: more small bits for wolf to juggle <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2781>
15:26:47 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2782 /marketing/website/design/parts/ ( block3-mid.png block4-mid.png block5-mid.png ): more small bits for wolf to juggle - part deux
15:26:48 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2782]: more small bits for wolf to juggle - part deux <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2782>
15:37:27 ccsidiot: Hi everyone
15:37:45 ccsidiot: I was trying to compile the GEOS 3.2.0 code as a non-root user
15:38:23 ccsidiot: when I do the configuration, I did ./configure prefix=/path/to/geos-3.2.0.rc1
15:38:44 ccsidiot: but the make failed me
15:38:57 ccsidiot: Is there any insight, why this is happening?
15:42:16 spatialguru_: ccsidiot: was it built before by a root user?
15:43:04 ccsidiot: Nope, but I have built in under a different directory
15:43:14 ccsidiot: which is not the same as this one
15:43:45 spatialguru_: you'll have to provide more details about error/fail message
15:43:53 spatialguru_: Not that I'll likely be able to help but others here might.
15:44:12 : * spatialguru_ looks around for the "GEOS Q&A Week" sign on the highway : )
15:44:17 spatialguru_: lots of people here asking this week : )
15:44:32 ccsidiot: : ) One sec
15:48:48 spatialguru_: you can paste into http://osgeo.pastebin.ca if you need to
15:48:49 sigq: Title: pastebin - Type, paste, share. ( at osgeo.pastebin.ca )
15:50:32 darkblue_B: y - I had my make/build fail also but I didnt formalize it
15:50:35 darkblue_B: fyi
15:54:10 CIA-86: osgeo: tmitchell * r2783 /marketing/website/design/parts/ ( 17 files in 2 dirs ): more picky changes for the slavedriver
15:54:11 sigq: osgeofeed: Changeset [2783]: more picky changes for the slavedriver <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2783>
15:57:11 ccsidiot: http://osgeo.pastebin.ca/1711685
15:57:14 sigq: Title: pastebin - ccsidiot - post number 1711685 ( at osgeo.pastebin.ca )
15:57:46 ccsidiot: Thanks in advance : ) I didn't ran into this problem the first time I compile GEOS, which is a while back
15:59:59 ccsidiot: It says in in various places, "nothing to be done for xxx"
16:00:47 ccsidiot: but notice that this is a clean build
16:11:23 ccsidiot: :(
16:54:47 spatialguru_: ccsidiot: that looks like it built okay.. did you see an error somewhere in there?
16:55:02 spatialguru_: "nothing to be done" usually means you've already built that part of it : )
16:55:18 ccsidiot: Hum, when I did the make install, it says nothing to be done at various places too
16:55:22 ccsidiot: Oh
16:55:26 ccsidiot: Okay Cool : )
16:55:37 ccsidiot: Thanks thanks spatialguru : )
16:55:58 spatialguru_: often if you compile at it fails.. you can fix up that part, run again and then you see "nothing" messages.. since it already built them.
16:56:10 spatialguru_: I'm hopeful you've got it licked : )
16:56:52 ccsidiot: I'm just confused why I have make clean of the build, then do a make, still give me nothing to be done
16:57:15 TylerM: showing the results of you configure would help
16:57:47 TylerM: likely it's just skipping parts that you did not request to be built or that you don't have dependencies install to support that feature
16:57:55 TylerM: looks like it to me anyway...
16:58:36 TylerM: just look at the folders it notes... macros, tests, swig, tools
16:58:52 ccsidiot: Oh, I see : ) Know 1 more thing today : ) Thanks again TylerM
16:58:55 TylerM: some of that you might want and will need to enable explicitly during configure, or add some other libraries.
16:59:36 TylerM: any time : )
17:00:51 TylerM: have a good day.. time for me to run
17:00:53 TylerM: best wishes