| 03:35:27 | djay: | does anyone know if Arnulf Christl is on irc ? |
| 03:35:37 | djay: | dos anyone know his nick ? |
| 03:44:15 | aghisla: | djay: his nick is seven |
| 03:44:28 | djay: | aghisla: thx |
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| 08:42:50 | acuster: | so osgeo is killing FOSS4G eh? We'll have one in the americas and one in europe? oh well. |
| 09:12:59 | hobu: | acuster: huh? |
| 09:14:43 | acuster: | http://planet.osgeo.org/ |
| 09:15:24 | acuster: | lead story implies the north americans get their conference; which implies ... |
| 09:18:12 | JamesFee: | acuster: My first thought Canada isn't "america" so meh.... |
| 09:19:03 | acuster: | hunh? |
| 09:19:12 | acuster: | foss4g-*na* |
| 09:19:59 | JamesFee: | US Federal Employees can't travel across the border |
| 09:20:19 | JamesFee: | So if we are going to work on getting the Feds off ESRI and onto OSGeo.... |
| 09:20:25 | JamesFee: | It won't be done via FOSS4G |
| 09:21:35 | JamesFee: | My great hope with FOSS4G2010 or 2011 was to introduce the Feds to some really great open source GIS. They can't get travel approval for Canada ( was the issue in Victoria ). |
| 09:23:04 | JamesFee: | This this just proves my point that I made last year, FOSS4G needs to be broken up because most people can't travel the world and waiting 5 -10 years for it to cycle back to the USA is too long. |
| 09:23:17 | : | * JamesFee being USA centric of course ; ) |
| 09:23:52 | acuster: | ever so slightly |
| 09:25:02 | JamesFee: | acuster: so how do we service nuts like me who don't even think Canada is useful? Have a bi-yearly FOSS4G-USA |
| 09:25:39 | JamesFee: | Or start up something not under the FOSS4G banner outside OSGeo <- which I don't want to do |
| 09:26:03 | acuster: | yeah, for the Fed, get them on open standards as a first step |
| 09:26:16 | acuster: | June in Bethesda at NOAA |
| 09:26:56 | acuster: | then again, what foss is ready to replace ESRI? |
| 09:27:37 | JamesFee: | PostGIS replaces SDE, Geoserver/Mapserver replaces ArcGIS Server, OpenLayers replaces ESRI APIs. |
| 09:28:51 | acuster: | ...and the big missing piece is... |
| 09:29:11 | JamesFee: | They can continue using Desktop which supports OGC standards |
| 09:29:31 | JamesFee: | Waiting for desktop to be ready is just letting ESRI get more in bed. |
| 09:30:39 | JamesFee: | RFPs come out "requiring" ESRI. The boat may have already sailed... |
| 09:31:23 | acuster: | yeah, that's what a defacto monopoly looks like, but for most heavy lifting it's a reasonable policy today |
| 09:32:13 | JamesFee: | So I think a FOSS4G where the feds can come and see some really impressive work done by GSA consultants will open eyes and be a kick that we need. But I seem to be in the minority on this... |
| 09:32:52 | JamesFee: | Or at least others don't have my sense of urgency |
| 09:35:39 | acuster: | yeah, I don't share your sense of urgency probably because I see all the work that needs to be done for interoperability to start to arrive |
| 09:36:08 | acuster: | It would be nice, but pushing to early can be harmful too |
| 09:36:55 | JamesFee: | The problem is we are going to do this, the question is do we do it with OSGeo.... |
| 09:37:01 | JamesFee: | I'd like to think yes... |
| 09:39:36 | acuster: | but there are various approaches |
| 09:40:09 | acuster: | you can mention OSGeo when you talk of free software at whatever gathering |
| 09:40:27 | acuster: | or can use OSGeo to organize gatherings |
| 09:41:01 | acuster: | but I don't see them organising a conference for every region every year and maintaining any coherency |
| 09:42:18 | JamesFee: | so you get to the core about what FOSS4G is or what it should be |
| 09:42:30 | acuster: | so it seems like some have chosen to satisfy a local demand, you point out that it doesn't even capture north america well |
| 09:43:29 | acuster: | but if there is one in north america every year, those interested will go to that, |
| 09:43:52 | JamesFee: | Exactly, which is why some advocate creating our own open source GIS conference that meets the needs of USA centric users which are much different than the typical user at a FOSS4G |
| 09:44:00 | acuster: | cutting into the yearly conference or even the 'every six years' or fifteen I think you said |
| 09:44:18 | JamesFee: | Yes, is FOSS4G sustaintable? |
| 09:44:25 | acuster: | so that would *not* be a foss4g |
| 09:44:43 | acuster: | squatting the name seems problematic |
| 09:44:57 | acuster: | such it goes though |
| 09:49:09 | JamesFee: | I agree, the conf-dev committee needs to think about what FOSS4G means and what to do about regional conferences |
| 10:03:53 | darkblue_B: | hi JamesFee |
| 10:03:59 | darkblue_B: | Brian in California here |
| 10:04:06 | JamesFee: | hey Brian |
| 10:04:27 | darkblue_B: | Tyler was just visiting for AGU 09, and I set up a meeting with a high powered consultant |
| 10:04:47 | darkblue_B: | she mentioned Open Source for America - have you hear of it? |
| 10:05:00 | JamesFee: | darkblue_B: no I haven't |
| 10:05:22 | darkblue_B: | It appears to be something that OSGeo could align itself with |
| 10:05:32 | darkblue_B: | .. to the advantage of all |
| 10:06:39 | darkblue_B: | the other thing, which has to go to the board, is that OSGeo may really, really need to consider scrapping the 501( c )3 and going ( c )6 instead |
| 10:07:03 | darkblue_B: | Tyler will have better notes, but those are two things that stuck out for me |
| 10:07:56 | JamesFee: | interesting |
| 10:09:00 | darkblue_B: | huh geospatial-wg |
| 10:09:07 | darkblue_B: | hadn't seen that yet |
| 10:10:11 | JamesFee: | doesn't seem like its got much going on yet. Would be good for OSGeo to be involved |
| 10:10:19 | darkblue_B: | ++ |
| 11:35:00 | Briggs_: | anyone know of good vectorization algorithm implemented under a MIT/BSD style license? |
| 11:35:03 | Briggs_: | or even LGPL... |