#OSGEO IRC Log - 2010-01-07

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00:00:33 seven: tbowden: Heyho! Good to see you! Where have you been?
00:01:30 tbowden: keeping a very low profile for a while. work/health/personal issues to sort, but all looking much better now thanks.
00:02:00 tbowden: It's good to be 'back' so to speak
00:03:01 tbowden: seven: I trust the usual suspect are normally floating around in here?
00:04:15 seven: Probably yes but I have been neglecting IRC for a while and instead explored Twitter and Co.
05:44:59 TylerM: ~yawn... good morning
05:46:04 crschmidt: hello
05:46:16 crschmidt: when is our meeting? 7 minutes, or an hour from now?
05:46:26 TylerM: 7 minutes i hope : )
05:48:24 : * FrankW drops two agenda items at the last minute.
05:50:50 ravivundavalli: Ravi Kumar wishes the board a happy 2010
05:51:24 TylerM: happy new year ravi!
05:52:27 TylerM: ravivundavalli: how's the weather? : )
05:53:23 ravivundavalli: weather at Chennai is pleasent.. Not cold at all
05:53:24 TylerM: it's too early here to have any ; )
05:53:39 TylerM: i think we are -22C : )
05:53:47 TylerM: ( outside : ) )
05:54:10 aghisla: D:
05:54:22 ravivundavalli: we are 22 C too ( + )
05:54:42 TylerM: looking around, i see jmckenna, FrankW, ravivundavalli, seven_
05:54:42 crschmidt: i'm halfway inbetween, at 0
05:54:48 TylerM: hobu, jmckenna you around?
05:54:58 hobu: yep
05:54:59 seven_: One hour until board meeting.
05:55:09 TylerM: err say it ain't so
05:55:19 FrankW: One hour? I thought I checked the universal time thing and it said now!
05:55:20 TylerM: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010&month=01&day=07&hour=15&min=0&sec=0
05:55:21 sigq: Title: The Fixed Time World Clock ( at www.timeanddate.com )
05:55:22 seven_: Huh?
05:55:24 seven_: Oh.
05:55:29 jmckenna: here ( my clock must be 5 minutes behind )
05:55:32 crschmidt: that says 'now'
05:55:32 FrankW: Though waiting one hour is ok with me too.
05:55:45 crschmidt: for me, at least : )
05:55:54 TylerM: i'd love to sleep longer.. oh good it's no longer 6:something :o
05:56:11 : * seven_ is way more out the loop than she thought...
05:56:35 seven_: I am on another call, sorry. Can someone pls. lead the meeting? I'll lurk along.
05:56:35 TylerM: you have day light savings over there?
05:56:47 seven_: No light at all around here. Snowing all the time.
05:57:13 jmckenna: : )
05:57:35 : * seven notes that seven_ is exaggerating. Just one inch of wno today.
05:57:37 FrankW: I'll chair till seven is fully available.
05:57:46 seven_: Thanks FrankW
05:57:54 FrankW: First, a role call for those who are actively here?
05:57:57 : * FrankW is alive.
05:57:58 : * crschmidt here
05:58:02 : * hobu here
05:58:08 ravivundavalli: Ravi Kumar here
05:58:09 TylerM: Board meeting starts ==========
05:58:15 seven_: Arnulf ist here.
05:58:15 seven_: is
05:58:37 : * TylerM is here
05:58:44 FrankW: jmckenna, still with us?
05:59:02 jmckenna: sorry here ( was reading your board list email )
05:59:20 FrankW: TylerM, I assume you are willing to be secretary today?
05:59:29 TylerM: definitely
05:59:48 FrankW: ok, next item, approving: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2009-12-03
05:59:50 sigq: Title: Board Meeting 2009-12-03 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
05:59:55 TylerM: * Attending Frank, Chris, Howard, Ravi, Arnulf, ,Jeff, Tyler
06:00:02 FrankW: I like the "action summary".
06:00:03 TylerM: * Tyler acting as scribe
06:00:21 TylerM: * Approve past minutes: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2009-12-03
06:00:23 sigq: Title: Board Meeting 2009-12-03 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:00:45 TylerM: I just wish I had more "action" at my end on these
06:00:51 : * seven likes the TODOs too, but saw them too late, not much done yet. :-(
06:01:02 seven: OK, so we are all in the same boat. :- )
06:01:06 TylerM: seems like a couple weeks disappeared .. somewhere ; )
06:01:20 FrankW: We can't really expect too much over the holidays.
06:01:27 seven: I'll motion to approve the minutes.
06:01:37 FrankW: +1
06:01:40 seven: +1
06:01:41 crschmidt: +1
06:01:43 jmckenna: +1
06:01:44 ravivundavalli: +1
06:01:52 TylerM: ** '''MOTION: Arnulf moved to approve the minutes, Frank seconded, all were in favour'''
06:01:52 FrankW: with that done, perhaps we could quitely review the action items.
06:02:04 FrankW: TODO: Frank to provide revised wording for board/charter election changes.
06:02:13 FrankW: I did this, though only a few minutes ago - agenda item added for it.
06:02:16 TylerM: * Review past action items
06:02:17 FrankW: TODO: Tyler to look at how we can vote virtually via IRC instead of requiring voice.
06:02:20 FrankW: any progress?
06:02:22 TylerM: nada
06:02:26 TylerM: nope
06:02:29 FrankW: TODO: Jeff, Arnulf, Tyler to review FOSS4G 2010 budget changes and report on board-private
06:02:44 TylerM: I think we gave all our thoughts
06:02:45 FrankW: I think this was done,but apparently there is some outstanding issues before it is brought to us for final approval.
06:02:55 TylerM: I think so
06:03:05 FrankW: TODO: Ari to follow up with EuroGI about associated organisation options.
06:03:07 jmckenna: i believe they are promising a final budget by the end of the moth
06:03:09 seven: They have not finalized the budegt yet at the LoC.
06:03:32 seven: I asked Lorenzo to make sure it is ready one week before the next board meeting so we have tim eto review.
06:03:34 FrankW: ok - not there is room for them to fine tune later as long as it does not change materially.
06:03:55 seven: OK. I will let Lorenzo know. Will help relax him. :- )
06:04:08 TylerM: yeah, we know it will never be 'final' : )
06:04:17 TylerM: or at least not static : )
06:04:40 jmckenna: also, i want to document that we are having communication issues with the 2010 LOC...so arnulf, tyler and myself are trying to work through this. ( contact me offline for details ) for 2011 we may have to be more strict ( i.e. a signed contract between osgeo and LOC ) to make sure we don't hit these issues again. contact me for more details.
06:04:41 FrankW: Re: Ari and EuroGI I believe the ball is still in his court, right?
06:04:51 seven: Yes.
06:05:09 FrankW: note that in general a LOC is not a legal entity ( it is us ) so a contract is not necessarily appropriate.
06:05:15 TylerM: as jmckenna notes, hopefully we're over that hump
06:05:29 jmckenna: well, we're going to have to get formal
06:05:32 FrankW: It might be good to have a more formal relationship though.
06:05:51 seven: Yes. Although the initial issues seem to have been also a language issues.
06:06:00 seven: We will have more of this with this LoC.
06:06:10 FrankW: ok TODO: Arnulf to follow up on idea of presenting comments on topics like FFI is for EU interoperability.
06:06:17 seven: it is the first time ever that we have a FOSS4G not in an English native spaeking region.
06:06:19 jmckenna: i am not sure it is just language. anyway sorry for the off-topic
06:06:47 seven: I have been contacting people but nothing solid yet.
06:06:53 FrankW: ok
06:06:55 seven: Will report at the next meeting.
06:07:06 FrankW: alright, that covers our review of minute todo items.
06:07:23 seven: TylerM: Keep it on the TODO list ( with capitals... :- )
06:07:24 FrankW: next agenda item is foss4g budget status, which seems to have been addressed above.
06:07:33 FrankW: unless there is anything to add?
06:07:35 TylerM: yup
06:07:45 jmckenna: nothing to add
06:08:34 FrankW: next agenda item is the change to our voting procedures.
06:08:50 FrankW: The revision is: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Proposed_Board_Election_Procedure&diff=44125&oldid=44122
06:08:52 sigq: Title: Proposed Board Election Procedure - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:08:54 TylerM: * Proposed Board Election Procedure
06:09:06 : * seven sees that this toipic has been added just very recently. No time to go through it yet.
06:09:21 FrankW: the updated version is: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Proposed_Board_Election_Procedure
06:09:23 sigq: Title: Proposed Board Election Procedure - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:09:47 FrankW: I took the liberty of mentioning that the nomination list would also appear in the wiki.
06:09:49 TylerM: note only three small changes: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Proposed_Board_Election_Procedure&diff=44125&oldid=44122
06:09:51 sigq: Title: Proposed Board Election Procedure - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:10:00 : * seven remembers now. Looks good to her.
06:10:22 FrankW: Were we also wanting to make a simlar change to charter member elections?
06:10:22 TylerM: main item was the line 17 one i think
06:10:30 jmckenna: yes line 17 is important
06:10:40 TylerM: FrankW: ah yes, good catch
06:11:24 : * FrankW seeks feedback on whether we want the change for charter elections as well...
06:11:25 : * TylerM goes looking for that page
06:11:49 FrankW: I don't think we need to do the editing now. If we are going to make the motion by email, I can prepare the changes in advance of doing that.
06:12:14 : * TylerM does want that.. basically not allowing voters to choose one candidate more than once
06:12:28 : * TylerM taps the microphone ;- )
06:12:31 FrankW: anyone else have thoughts?
06:12:36 seven: Fine by me.
06:12:57 FrankW: ok, I'll prepare that change as well and forward both changes as a motion to the list.
06:12:58 jmckenna: i support line 17 changes
06:12:58 crschmidt: I'm in agreement.
06:13:33 FrankW: Moving on to OSGeo 2010 budget.
06:13:55 FrankW: We have, unfortunately, stumbled into the new year without a budget and I think we need to rectify this.
06:14:08 FrankW: but before a detailed budget can be prepared I think we need to discuss direction.
06:14:21 FrankW: I sent an email a couple minutes before the meeting with three main options.
06:14:34 FrankW: 1 ) run a substantial deficit.
06:14:39 FrankW: 2 ) raise a good deal more money
06:14:44 FrankW: 3 ) move to bring our expenses into line with our income
06:14:58 : * seven opts for 2 )
06:15:27 FrankW: As I mentioned, we have the capacity to run a deficit for one more year if so desired though we significantly erode our financial position.
06:15:33 TylerM: a side note, once 2009 financial summary is complete, you'll have an idea of how it lined up with the last budget
06:15:56 seven: But I have been highly unsusscessful in raising awareness / help form the board. :-(
06:15:56 : * crschmidt thinks that 2 ) is wishful thinking
06:15:57 TylerM: i hope to have that for you this week
06:16:05 crschmidt: we already said we'd do 2 this year, and we didn't, I think.
06:16:13 FrankW: My concern with ( 2 ) is that we did that last year with rather limited success.
06:16:16 crschmidt: Do we have some reason to think that we would be more successful this year?
06:16:22 FrankW: right, what crschmidt said.
06:16:34 seven: crschmidt: I do not think so if we would get our respective asses in motion and become active.
06:16:53 seven: It just needs to get done.
06:16:53 TylerM: half of you are still 'new'.. it always takes some time to 'find your feet'
06:17:17 jmckenna: how did we plan for 2 ) last year? is this documented somewhere, these steps for raising more money? how did we plan to do that?
06:17:36 seven: We never planned and never did anything much.
06:17:41 TylerM: i think the plan went only so far as adding more items to the budget as income
06:18:03 FrankW: to be fair we had a number of discussions on possible sponsors and stuff at the board level.
06:18:11 TylerM: and we did get one more new $10k sponsor, plus I'm not sure where our top sponsor will land this year.. we might be surprised
06:18:15 FrankW: But there was relatively little action and little success.
06:18:20 seven: I have pointed out what we need to do but never consolidated the process and did not put much energy to it.
06:18:20 seven: I suggest to leverage Tyler more. I volunteer to spend more time on it.
06:18:31 TylerM: and foss4g raised a lot more than anticipated
06:18:47 seven: FrankW: Exactly. Which is not a big wonder considering that we did not really do anything.
06:19:16 seven: Let me put together a plan and then consider how to move on.
06:19:26 TylerM: to also be fair, several of us were doing talks all over the place.. I know my UK trips helped leverage the new sponsor through face-to-face talks
06:19:45 TylerM: let's chat about it seven anytime
06:19:48 seven: If we can commit to it as a board and all do some bits then I am positive that we can do much better.
06:19:50 jmckenna: i think those trips you make tyler are very important.
06:19:56 FrankW: I would say that fundraising efforts continued, but that there was not really a very organized effort.
06:20:05 hobu: so are we willing to openly rely on foss4g as the major fund raising center? Because we're relying on it now, just not openly.
06:20:14 seven: Yes.
06:20:23 FrankW: seven: are you suggesting that we not do 2010 budgeting till you come back with a fundraising plan?
06:20:31 TylerM: jmckenna: and yours and arnulf and others too
06:20:40 jmckenna: true, true
06:20:52 seven: FrankW: If you feel better that way, yes.
06:21:15 seven: It will not be done with just putting up a plan but we alos need to commit. I want this to be clear.
06:21:18 TylerM: I feel until the final costs versus 2009 budget are done, we don't have the full picture
06:21:18 FrankW: Well, to be honest, I feel like we are already late for 2010 budgeting and I'm not keen on putting it out too far.
06:21:27 seven: If we do not commit then we will have to cut back.
06:21:48 FrankW: I will concede that I am dragging my heels on a major fundraising effort. I don't seem to have the fire for it these days.
06:21:50 TylerM: Can we just say to carry on with 2009 budget and anticipate some changes over the next month?
06:22:11 seven: FrankW: Yes. But we can imporve on that.
06:22:21 TylerM: The reason I'm pushing on the budget comparison for 2009 is that I know we under-spent in several areas
06:22:44 TylerM: and that would help to give us a more reasonable feel of our actual costs.
06:22:47 FrankW: I did do a tentative budget analysis several months ago and I don't think there have been any dramatic changes from that analysis.
06:23:04 TylerM: probably right
06:23:08 FrankW: I don't think we can wait for 2009 financials to be finalized before budgetting for 2010.
06:23:43 seven: FrankW: +1 We should get the budget approved at the next meeting.
06:24:03 TylerM: not saying to wait, but can't expect others to have an opinion on budget without seeing how good/bad our targets really were
06:24:16 seven: This means that we have three more weeks in which I will try to propose a solid plan.
06:24:35 FrankW: We have preliminary information on our actuals vs our budget already.
06:24:41 seven: If that is not acceptable to the board we will have to look into the other options.
06:24:46 FrankW: It is better than we had for budgetting in previous years.
06:25:08 : * seven is done.
06:25:21 FrankW: What I can do is prepare a budget based on business as usual, that will indicate the amount of extra funds we will need to break even.
06:25:33 FrankW: That should give focus to our fundraising.
06:25:39 FrankW: ( as we did last year )
06:25:46 seven: Good.
06:25:54 TylerM: sounds good
06:26:04 jmckenna: ok
06:26:25 TylerM: should we follow up with finance committee on this?
06:26:36 : * seven is interested to hear opinions form the other board members. Is this proposal OK?
06:26:56 FrankW: TylerM: I would intend to circulate the proposed budget for review in the finance committee before bringing it to the board at the next meeting.
06:27:04 TylerM: ok
06:27:18 seven: It should be solid a week before the next meeting.
06:27:32 FrankW: seven: agreed
06:27:39 TylerM: ( Geoff Zeiss joins - hi there )
06:27:41 : * crschmidt guesses that this is okay, but still is concerned that depending on fundraising efforts is depending on false hope.
06:27:46 FrankW: welcome gzeiss!
06:27:59 hobu: I would be comfortable tabling any "optional" spending that isn't salary, benefits, and travel until we have a real budget
06:28:02 gzeiss: Sorry for being late.
06:28:27 FrankW: gzeiss: we have zoomed through the agenda items and are now discussion budget directions for 2010.
06:28:54 jmckenna: we almost need an hour set aside for a fundraising discussion
06:28:57 seven: gzeiss: http://logs.qgis.org/osgeo/%23osgeo.2010-01-07.log
06:28:58 sigq: Title: IRC Log - #OSGEO ( at logs.qgis.org )
06:29:07 TylerM: agenda here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2010-01-07
06:29:08 sigq: Title: Board Meeting 2010-01-07 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org )
06:29:50 FrankW: In the past we had a distinct fundraising committee, but it lacked energy and so fundraising was returned to the board. So yes, I think fundraising needs to be a substnatial part of board discussions and it might make sense to have a dedicated meeting.
06:30:22 FrankW: hobu: when you suggested we table optional spending, would that include the approved hardware purchase?
06:30:33 hobu: FrankW: yep
06:30:37 FrankW: There aren't generally that many optional expenses.
06:30:44 : * seven grumbles...
06:30:50 FrankW: I personally think that the hardware purchase is important and time critical.
06:30:56 FrankW: And I am not inclined to defer it.
06:30:59 seven: The servers are high up on my priority.
06:31:06 : * TylerM agrees
06:31:24 crschmidt: Are they higher up than Tyler's salary?
06:31:46 FrankW: we are in no immediate crisis with regard to paying the salary.
06:32:05 FrankW: But ultimately I do not want OSGeo to fundraise soley to pay the ED salary.
06:32:12 FrankW: That is part of what demotivates me.
06:32:29 FrankW: It seems like we are in a corner where that is all we can afford and many worthwhile initiatives are stillborn.
06:32:49 TylerM: I haven't seen many other initiatives proposed though
06:33:04 : * crschmidt shrugs.
06:33:04 TylerM: I think that certainly helps give people incentive to fundraise
06:33:11 seven: Which is why right from the start ( bakc whne Gary was in the lead ) I proposed to keep budgets low.
06:33:17 seven: Seems to have paid off.
06:33:30 seven: But now it is time to put some energy into getting funding.
06:33:31 seven: So lets do it.
06:33:50 seven: If we would have followed the big design we'd be way dead now.
06:34:01 TylerM: last year we had an increased marketing budget and talked about systems stuff, those were about it...
06:34:15 seven: So I am positive that this is not whishful thinking but solid growing.
06:34:57 TylerM: foss4g 09 has put us in a pretty good situation, imo. like hobu said earlier, we are depending on foss4g already, let's vocalise it?
06:35:05 TylerM: seven: I agree with you
06:35:08 FrankW: Ok, I have an action item which is to prepare a budget based roughly on business as usual which should help identify our fundraising needs.
06:35:30 seven: I have an action item to put together a solid fundraising plan.
06:35:33 FrankW: next agenda item is "update from tyler".
06:35:47 TylerM: Would you like the various committees to speak up about their hopes for budgets?
06:35:50 FrankW: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2010-January/003195.html
06:35:51 sigq: Title: [Board] Update and plans ( at lists.osgeo.org )
06:36:05 hobu: it's all just talk until we see our cash position and last year's balance sheet. Then we can make a budget, but I think it should be based on cash we have, not cash we hope for, and if hoped-for cash materializes, we'll adjust. not the other way.
06:36:33 FrankW: TylerM: I wasn't contemplating anything too ambitious with regard to budgets so I wasn't expecting to ask for wish lists, no.
06:36:39 FrankW: But I'm open to input.
06:36:55 TylerM: fair enough.. just thinking marketing and systems again.. but we can always come back to it
06:37:49 TylerM: hobu: current balance sheet for 2009 shows a deficit but that includes seed money for foss4g 09 and doesn't show the profit either - which will bring us back into a fairly good positive showing.
06:37:53 TylerM: okay.. nothing really more from me
06:37:53 FrankW: hobu: we have a tentative analysis of cash position and last years budget actuals vs. budgetted.
06:38:19 TylerM: I sent out my update email on monday - any feedback, questions, concerns?
06:38:35 TylerM: It's basically financial management seasons for me. Hopefully for a few days more only.
06:39:06 TylerM: I wrote so clearly no one is confused...great :- ) hehe
06:39:21 seven: Thanks for the update.
06:39:35 jmckenna: yes thanks...I appreciate the update
06:39:36 TylerM: my pleasure.
06:39:43 FrankW: I will say that I don't think we should be deviating from our 501c3 plan without a strong reason.
06:39:49 TylerM: anyone have any speaking opportunitites they think i should aim for?
06:40:07 TylerM: FrankW: yeah, not changing the current process.. but I'm going to enquire about it.
06:40:11 crschmidt: One thing that I've been asked to bring up is the status of our 501c3 approval.
06:40:26 crschmidt: Has there been a recent update on this?
06:40:36 crschmidt: ah
06:40:36 TylerM: I have to phone to find out again.. no update from them since nov/dec
06:40:36 crschmidt: sorry
06:40:38 crschmidt: it's in that email there
06:40:50 TylerM: back then they said 'a couple weeks' :[
06:40:53 crschmidt: Okay.
06:41:35 FrankW: if the update from tyler is done, I'll turn the table over to seven to address his ideas on updates from directors and committees.
06:41:42 TylerM: that's just an fyi in there, saying that 501c3 are "supposed to" depend on public donations.. not corporate ones like we are.
06:41:51 TylerM: .. or so I am told.
06:41:58 gzeiss: I will send everyone an article from INPUT that suggests that open source and geospatial will be one of five key technologies for the US Fed Govt, so in answer to Tyler's guestion I would suggest identifying some key govt conferences and events.
06:42:19 TylerM: ok gzeiss - that's good input thanks
06:42:29 seven: gzeiss: This is also highly relevant for our funding plans!
06:42:33 TylerM: if any in particular come to mind, don't hesitate to let me know
06:43:10 gzeiss: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=6F64F930-1A64-67EA-E461E2E958B82E66
06:43:12 sigq: Title: Five technologies to see huge growth in US gov't, group says ( - Software - Applications ) ( at news.idg.no )
06:43:28 TylerM: thx
06:44:06 TylerM: FrankW: over to Arnulf... re: dirctors and committee reports
06:44:08 jmckenna: excellent article
06:44:42 TylerM: whew and it didn't mention twitter for once ; ) lol
06:44:48 : * seven is still busy.
06:44:56 seven: Trying to summarize:
06:45:15 gzeiss: outside of geospatial and open source the others are more buzz phrases
06:45:31 jmckenna: true
06:45:45 seven: To get us more involved I would like all of us in turn spend some time thinking what our goals for OSGeo are.
06:46:11 seven: I had some interesting chats with core folks and there is a tendency to say:
06:46:28 seven: The OSGeo idea is cool, but I would never ever support it publicly but rather criticize it.
06:46:40 seven: Jut to make sure that "we" do not go in the wrong direction.
06:47:22 seven: Does this make any sense to you?
06:47:33 FrankW: I'm not quite getting it.
06:47:34 gzeiss: You lost me with "never support it publically"
06:47:43 seven: I am talking about highly respectable folks like Josh Livni and Sean Gillies.
06:48:00 seven: They are "in" OSGeo but still see themselves as not being "in".
06:48:02 TylerM: ah, not "core" board or in committees then?
06:48:11 FrankW: I understand that Sean likes to see himself as gadfly.
06:48:14 seven: I have a hard time explaining this. :- )
06:48:28 : * crschmidt wonders how josh livni is 'in' osgeo'
06:48:31 jmckenna: those 2 individuals can be 'in' if they so choose
06:48:34 seven: Yes, along that line.
06:48:39 TylerM: seven: are you then wondering if similar attitude is at work in board level?
06:48:47 seven: Yes.
06:49:04 seven: I would like to see some positive comments and actions.
06:49:15 FrankW: I can safely say that I feel 'in' even if I try to be selective about where I put my energy.
06:49:21 seven: Just get some positive mindset.
06:49:51 seven: As I said, this is somewhat delicate.
06:50:11 seven: I do not want ot step on folk's toes.
06:50:22 seven: But if we want to grow OSGeo - and it is about time we did - then we will have to be more active.
06:50:32 jmckenna: being 'in' takes a lot of time and energy...it's much easier to criticise ( i learnt this with the benchmarking exercise )
06:50:40 seven: Hehe.
06:51:01 seven: I really believe that we have a great board. No questions.
06:51:05 TylerM: If I hear you correctly... OSGeo will live or die by the board's position, activity and enthusiasm... do you want it to live or die? Is that your question?
06:51:19 seven: But maybe the attitude could be a bit more constructive sometimes.
06:51:23 jmckenna: i'm not clear either on what the point is
06:51:30 TylerM: or .. alternately.. 'business as usual' : )
06:51:33 : * crschmidt is happy for OSGeo to live small, rather than 'grow' by leaps and bounds.
06:51:35 jmckenna: board attitude?
06:51:46 seven: To achieve this it might be a helpfiul experience to actually propose some activity.
06:51:54 seven: Commitment.
06:52:07 jmckenna: oh board commitment
06:52:11 seven: crschmidt: Exactly my take on it.
06:52:15 seven: But currently we are sort of discussing whether we should shrink.
06:52:19 crschmidt: I think that the most important thing to do is to complete the charitable donation status in some way, update our web presence to be more encouraging, and allow committes to do the work that they want to do.
06:52:39 seven: crschmidt: OK, So that is your plan for 2010. Great!
06:52:48 seven: This is kind of what I wanted to hear.
06:52:48 : * FrankW buys the need for positive energy. I feel I already commit a lot. I also feel we need to be able to self-critize ourself ( as OSGeo ) to keep things on track and real sometimes.
06:52:56 : * seven is happy and done with this point.
06:52:58 seven: :- )
06:52:59 hobu: one of my concerns is OSGeo is somewhat of a "hopes and dreams" vehicle for a lot of things. I think we take on too much.
06:53:07 ravivundavalli: I see this conversation quite cryptic. Pl care to email in detail
06:53:33 jmckenna: for me it's about promoting Open Source Geospatial..and i see the best way for this is through FOSS4G hosted in different countries around the world ( not just NA )
06:53:35 seven: ravivundavalli: Sorry about that. I will try to summarize this in an email.
06:53:44 FrankW: ravivundavalli: it's cryptic because it's delicate. :- )
06:54:11 seven: and feel free to ping me offline if I am completely off track.
06:54:15 : * crschmidt doens't think osgeo needs to promote open source geospatial; just to provide tools if other people want to.
06:54:23 seven: On the other hand we must prevent us from burning out.
06:54:31 seven: I had some times when I felt like that.
06:54:33 jmckenna: i guess each board member has different goals
06:54:37 seven: SO the middle way is the one to go.
06:54:47 seven: Yes, and that is good.
06:54:51 TylerM: i have a mindmap showing areas I hope to achieve for 2010.. will pull it together to share
06:54:52 jmckenna: exactly
06:54:57 FrankW: crschmidt: I will note that promoting open source geospatial is quite central to our initial mission.
06:55:01 seven: FIne.
06:55:05 : * seven is done.
06:55:12 seven: We ran out of time.
06:55:26 seven: I will write an email to the board with my goals for 2010-
06:55:34 gzeiss: Are we planning a find raising meeting ?
06:55:38 seven: mostly acquiring sponsors I guess...
06:55:57 gzeiss: Are we planning a fund raising meeting ?
06:56:11 seven: gzeiss: implictly yes. But after our experience with the las committe ... well, I am somewhat discouraged.
06:56:13 jmckenna: I think it is needed.
06:56:16 seven: But maybe we shoudl just go for it again.
06:56:28 TylerM: yeah just a board meeting with a single topic maybe
06:56:47 TylerM: next week?
06:56:53 gzeiss: Fine with me
06:57:05 FrankW: I am open to such a meeting.
06:57:07 seven: Yes, I can join.
06:57:12 TylerM: at minimum I can make it with a couple of you
06:57:15 TylerM: cool
06:57:22 seven: Shall we say one hour later?
06:57:23 jmckenna: +1
06:57:29 gzeiss: So can I
06:57:34 TylerM: yes please 1 hour later
06:57:42 TylerM: since i will have marketing meeting 8 hours earlier
06:57:46 TylerM: and will try to sleep a bit : )
06:57:58 seven: TylerM: Can you pls. send an email to the board list?
06:58:01 TylerM: will do
06:58:35 TylerM: this time... for those who want it in their calendar... http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010&month=01&day=14&hour=16&min=0&sec=0
06:58:36 sigq: Title: The Fixed Time World Clock ( at www.timeanddate.com )
06:58:37 seven: We might want to let Discuss know too. Maybe someone with experience and interest is lurking there and only waiting for this. ;- )
06:58:55 TylerM: Is IRC okay, or want to do voice?
06:59:11 gzeiss: I would recommend voice
06:59:32 seven: I am sort of still waiting whether we get a new voice option. Any progress?
06:59:48 seven: Is this still on anybody's agenda?
06:59:49 TylerM: crschmidt has one available
06:59:56 crschmidt: with a US number
07:00:02 crschmidt: can be called into with skype
07:00:11 seven: OK for me.
07:00:15 gzeiss: great
07:00:16 TylerM: perhaps if anyone needs some skype credits to call into it, they could let me know and I could get some for them.
07:00:32 jmckenna: i'll take 'em : )
07:00:41 crschmidt: Okay, once we set the meeting up, I can set up a phone meeting and we can call into it.
07:01:03 seven: If you have another option than to Skype I would apprecaite greatly.
07:01:03 crschmidt: I'll tag the email to remind myuself to do it ; )
07:01:16 seven: We discontinued Skype because it sucked too bad.
07:01:17 TylerM: great.. see time/date above
07:01:21 crschmidt: yep.
07:01:29 crschmidt: Okay. Is that it for this meeting?
07:01:41 : * seven hands back over to FrankW
07:01:43 TylerM: seven: this is a real voice line.. you just need something less sucky at your end : )
07:01:49 jmckenna: did we set a next meeting time?
07:01:56 seven: Feb 4th.
07:02:00 jmckenna: i mean regular meeting? oh ok
07:02:01 TylerM: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010&month=04&day=04&hour=15&min=0&sec=0
07:02:02 sigq: Title: The Fixed Time World Clock ( at www.timeanddate.com )
07:02:07 TylerM: is an hour later okay? : )
07:02:11 seven: Fine ?
07:02:23 seven: Hour later is fine by me.
07:02:27 jmckenna: ( can eat lunch during..ok )
07:02:39 seven: Thanks for bearing with me.
07:02:50 TylerM: it's not so tough : )
07:02:57 jmckenna: : )
07:03:22 jmckenna: tbowden: we missed you at FOSS4G2009 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
07:03:28 TylerM: Meeting close ====================
07:03:28 tbowden: Oh, I know.
07:03:32 tbowden: Sorry
07:03:33 jmckenna: tisk tisk
07:03:43 TylerM: good to see you all!
07:03:46 seven: Thanks and bye!
07:03:48 gzeiss: bye
07:03:50 tbowden: Very upset I couldn't get there.
07:04:00 TylerM: heya tim - next time I'll zip out west ; )
07:04:07 tbowden: personal/finance/health reasons
07:04:13 ravivundavalli: Bi and good night
07:04:22 jmckenna: tbowden: ok, hope all is well now. we missed you
07:04:27 tbowden: Be good to catch up anytime TylerM
07:04:28 TylerM: Meanwhile board - keep in mind any events I should attend, etc... keep in touch : )
07:04:33 tbowden: I've missed you lot for sure
07:04:42 jmckenna: : ) well welcome back
07:04:43 tbowden: but I had to stay low for a while...
07:04:50 TylerM: tbowden: although with that crazy fumigation upon landing, I won't be back anytime soon ;- )
07:04:51 tbowden: thanks jmckenna
07:04:52 jmckenna: no problem
07:05:09 TylerM: tbowden: things changing at your end then?
07:05:10 tbowden: ah yes, the joys of living in an isolated place...
07:05:16 tbowden: hopefully yes
07:05:22 jmckenna: it was a great event, and you deserve a lot of credit for bringing it there Tim
07:05:28 tbowden: I've way more positive than I have been for a while
07:05:44 tbowden: I think it was a bit touch and go there from lurking on the list...
07:06:01 tbowden: with the downturn and all, but good to see it pulled through inthe end
07:06:09 jmckenna: sure, but it all came together great..which is all that matters...yup!
07:06:10 tbowden: Full credit to Cameron Shorter...
07:06:17 tbowden: brilliant job he did
07:06:17 TylerM: yeah amazing work
07:06:22 TylerM: all round
07:06:22 tbowden: and the others
07:06:23 jmckenna: yeah he did a great job
07:06:35 tbowden: I think he added a tight focus that was very necesarry
07:06:49 TylerM: up to anything interesting?
07:06:51 tbowden: mgmt skills much needed I think
07:07:14 tbowden: only some small stuff atm, but as usual a few projects I'd like to push a long a bit
07:07:23 tbowden: gotta try and pay the bills first though
07:07:37 tbowden: been difficult lately but prospects are looking up
07:08:11 jmckenna: yeah, I hope all of us benefit from a good 2010
07:08:18 ajturner: re: Fed gov conferences, did anyone submit to Gov2.0 Summit or Open Gov Innovations conferences?
07:08:34 TylerM: hi ajturner - I haven't heard any myself
07:08:36 tbowden: 20Ten is gonna be a way better year. So don't want to do '09 again.
07:08:51 TylerM: ajturner: did you already?
07:08:58 ajturner: both closed yesterday I think
07:09:05 ajturner: on more general stuff
07:09:13 ajturner: I spoke at both last year about open geo and data
07:09:17 TylerM: can you recommend any others?
07:10:19 ajturner: ah OGI is open until Jan 11 http://events.1105govinfo.com/events/open-government/home.aspx
07:10:20 sigq: Title: Open Government and Innovations Conference and Exhibition: May 4-5, 2010 -- 1105 Government Information Group Events ( at events.1105govinfo.com )
07:10:34 jmckenna: TylerM: your time and date link for Feb meeting points to April. correct one i think: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010&month=02&day=04&hour=15&min=0&sec=0
07:10:35 sigq: Title: The Fixed Time World Clock ( at www.timeanddate.com )
07:10:56 ajturner: there is a USGS workshop on VGI in the National Map next week - several of us talking there about open geo and tools
07:11:04 TylerM: jmckenna: thx!
07:11:04 ajturner: open geospatial in general
07:11:50 ajturner: NSGIC would be good http://www.nsgic.org/events/2010_midyear.cfm
07:11:51 sigq: Title: NSGIC: Events / Conferences - 2010 Midyear Conference ( at www.nsgic.org )
07:12:18 ajturner: wonder about getting a presentation at an FGDC or NGAC meeting
07:14:21 TylerM: good ideas, thx
07:14:38 TylerM: biab.. better get some calories
07:59:46 TylerM: @seen _wolf_
07:59:46 sigq: TylerM: _wolf_ was last seen in #osgeo 6 days, 19 hours, 6 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <_wolf_> Happy New Year
08:07:04 darkblue_B: hi all- just starting here in California...
08:07:33 darkblue_B: FrankW I want you to know there is a specific reason that OSGeo wants to choose a 501( c )6 and not a 501( c )3
08:08:09 darkblue_B: ( c )3 is structured to take small donations from many, many individuals.. like GreenPeace or something, where a million people give $10
08:08:38 darkblue_B: a ( c )6 is a trade association, where the primary givers are companies
08:09:08 FrankW: My understanding is that a c( 6 ) is not able to issue receipts for tax deductable contributions from individuals. This has been identified as highly desirable by some potential contributors.
08:09:38 darkblue_B: .. OSGeo may be legally required to turn down money from companies
08:09:46 darkblue_B: ( sorry, already typing.. I am listening )
08:09:59 FrankW: I'd be interested in information supporting that position.
08:10:23 FrankW: I do understand that we still need to meet the public support test which means we can't be getting too much support from only a few organizations.
08:10:28 darkblue_B: well I arranged a meeting with a consultant and Tyler, and that was brought up.. this is the experience of the other big OSS orgs right now
08:11:08 darkblue_B: it seems curious that after a year the ( c )3 applicaiton is still sitting in the American IRS somewhere
08:11:12 darkblue_B: thats my understadning
08:11:26 TylerM: FrankW: i was going to ask for more info on the foundations mailing list
08:11:40 FrankW: TylerM: that seems reasonable.
08:11:43 TylerM: darkblue_B: right, I'm going to call them again and see also if they have a perspective on the c6 bit too
08:12:03 FrankW: But as far as we are into the 501( c )3 process, I think we would need a very strong case to bail out.
08:12:07 TylerM: the financial statements we gave them for the c3 app certainly don't show any individual donations
08:12:26 TylerM: so I won't be surprised if that comes up as an issue/barrier
08:12:41 FrankW: Did they not show the foss4g payments as individual contributions?
08:12:43 darkblue_B: I understand that, and, I think the change of course from ( c )3 to ( c )6 is not so much a reversal as an adjustment
08:13:00 FrankW: It was relatively important, as I understood, that we show those as public support from many individuals.
08:13:09 TylerM: yes, that's right
08:13:20 darkblue_B: aahhh ok - the tax structure for FOSS4G income, sure
08:13:49 TylerM: frankw: you are correct, that was the individual side of things.. foss4g
08:14:10 : * tbowden wonders if consultants should put a small line item on large invoices for OSGeo software development/funding ( or some such ) with proceeds to go to OSGeo gen rev.
08:14:15 FrankW: Was the foss4g income included as individual support in the statements you submitted?
08:14:35 : * FrankW thinks my clients would find such a line item confusing and off putting.
08:14:36 TylerM: yes it was in fact
08:14:46 FrankW: TylerM: ok, good.
08:14:49 darkblue_B: uh - I am no multinational business whiz, but since the event is not in the US, it seems straightforward to consolidate the income from a non-US event to a isingle business before it enters a US org's books
08:15:00 TylerM: not sure exactly how much, but certainly the sponsorship of foss4g wouldn't count.
08:15:55 tbowden: foss4g might not often be in the US, but it is held by OSGeo, with LOC doing the legwork on behalf of
08:16:23 darkblue_B: tbowden: the consultants invoice line item sounds promising
08:16:50 tbowden: FrankW: line item: Software development professional support or some such
08:16:53 darkblue_B: held by OSGeo.. hmm I guess that OSGeo really cant be a single legal entity worldwide, simply a brand
08:17:18 darkblue_B: .. so by definition you are moving funds from one org to another across int'l boundaries
08:17:35 FrankW: darkblue_B: I'm not sure why you say that OSGeo can't be a single legal entity worldwide.
08:17:44 tbowden: no, I think any org can act anywhere in the world, and have the activity belong to it accounting wise
08:17:56 tbowden: the funds stay with osgeo the whole time
08:17:56 darkblue_B: I would be willing to spend a day in the library to support that
08:18:16 tbowden: as far as I understand it which is very limited
08:18:33 darkblue_B: I certainly defer to an authoratative citation
08:18:41 darkblue_B: but thats my guess
08:19:36 darkblue_B: the whole thing cries out for a wee bit of expert guidance
08:19:51 darkblue_B: considering the org has to live with the results long term
08:20:30 FrankW: I would note that we have received some expert advice in the past.
08:21:11 tbowden: which is why we need peeps like Peter Batty on the board methinks
08:21:26 darkblue_B: well the consultant was Kaliya, and she is actually in touch with a bunch of "big names" in the OSS org world here.. like frequently
08:21:39 TylerM: darkblue_B: OSGEo basically contracts with conference management companies who run the shows for us
08:21:43 TylerM: and give us income back
08:22:20 FrankW: tbowden: What expertise would Peter bring? Info on non-profits operating worldwide? 501( c )3 vs. 501( c )6?
08:22:34 tbowden: no, big business exp.
08:23:00 TylerM: he was on the GITA too earlier, if I recall correctly
08:23:04 TylerM: GITA board
08:23:10 FrankW: ok, so it wasn't specifically related to what we were talking about.
08:23:24 FrankW: I think Peter Batty would be a great asset - it just wasn't clear to me how that fit into the conversation.
08:23:39 tbowden: no, not strictly, just wandering in my thoughts really...
08:24:24 tbowden: sorry...
08:26:10 tbowden: I think with his big business experience a lot of these sorts of issues would be cut through more quickly...
08:26:22 tbowden: but maybe it wouldn't be so...
08:26:52 FrankW: we do have other big business experience, now and in the past.
08:26:55 FrankW: But it would of course be an asset.
08:27:16 FrankW: general business experience is no replacement for specific understanding of particular us tax legal issues.
08:27:18 tbowden: Yes, Adesk did bring some big stuff to the table for sure
08:27:28 tbowden: true.
08:28:34 tbowden: Is the 501( c )x issue really that complex? I'd have thought it should have been rather simple, but then I've no experience of what business in US is like
08:29:09 FrankW: there are definately grey areas.
08:29:19 FrankW: For instance what counts as public support.
08:29:46 FrankW: and there is the subjective point about how important being able to issue charitable tax reciepts is.
08:29:49 tbowden: so did we have a 'tips jar' at FOSS4G?
08:30:07 FrankW: It is not our practice to operate a tips jar.
08:30:11 tbowden: ie, credit card donations
08:30:21 FrankW: we do accept paypal donations on the web site.
08:30:26 tbowden: but if we want to establish public support, maybe we need to pull out all the stops
08:31:18 tbowden: maybe we need to have a 'paypal donations' officer on the OSGeo stand at foss4g to finish all convos with 'would you like to support osgeo...'
08:31:34 FrankW: If foss4g payments count as public support we should have no problem meeting the test.
08:31:49 FrankW: The reduction in adsk funding isalso helpful from this point of view.
08:31:50 FrankW: :-(
08:32:19 tbowden: Can conf fees really count as public support? It'a a commercial transaction really
08:32:28 tbowden: not a donation I'd have thought
08:32:48 tbowden: Maybe at every OSGeo stand we need to push a line like that
08:33:07 tbowden: end up with hundreds ( hopefully! ) of small donations and that bar gets jumped
08:33:34 tbowden: even if it doesn't substantially improve the budget bottom line
08:34:14 tbowden: or is it also a measure of what % the largest donor gives?
08:34:31 FrankW: There was established precident that conference fees could be individually treated as contributions.
08:34:48 FrankW: The test is somewhat involved. I don't have the details handy.
08:35:11 tbowden: Ah, so maybe that bar is already jumped
08:37:01 TylerM: there is a % test .. e.g. % of public donations vs. corp $ that the gov looks at.. not sure how we're fairing on that front at the moment with foss4g vs. other sponsorship
08:37:49 FrankW: we are fine as long as foss4g fees count as individual support.
08:38:06 FrankW: and my understanding is that there is no problem with corporate contributions.
08:38:28 FrankW: But that there is a problem if the bulk of contributions are concentrated from only a few organizations ( or people ).
08:38:37 darkblue_B: good people - this is important, even more so in light of the 1-2-3 of FrankW's agenda item.. I personally am looking to learn from orgs that have made, to better understand and hopefully apply practices that work
08:39:15 darkblue_B: s/made/made things work/
08:39:16 tbowden: So the real problem is one of financial risk management, rather than regulatory hurdles?
08:39:32 TylerM: FrankW: right, no doubt there
08:39:37 FrankW: tbowden: what problem are you talking about? Whether we would fly as a 501( c )3?
08:40:11 TylerM: the question is really whether we can retain 501c3 status in the future or how hard it might be
08:40:14 TylerM: to do so
08:40:16 tbowden: confused, I thought I was getting the idea the public support hurdle there was not so big?
08:40:48 tbowden: if foss4g conf fees count, and we hold a foss4g every year, is there still a regulatory problem?
08:41:07 : * racicot likes the idea of his FOSS4G fees being tax deductible ;- )
08:41:09 TylerM: it's just not 100% clear until tested : )
08:41:23 tbowden: Ah, so it's a case by case issue
08:41:35 FrankW: There are vagarities with regard to FOSS4G. For instance, will they consider the conference arms length, and the profit as just one lump sum contribution?
08:41:38 TylerM: we're still waiting to hear back from the gov really
08:42:09 tbowden: Ah, if you're waiting for the govt, then...
08:42:19 TylerM: racicot: hehe - but yeah, makes you wonder... if you can't get a receipt.. is it really a donation? :S
08:42:41 FrankW: I'm personally more concerned about the fact that we have yet to make a corporate tax filing.
08:42:55 FrankW: sooner or later we have to, and we must be getting to the "later" side of things.
08:43:08 TylerM: tbowden: we put in an application using this rationale and will see if they accept it : )
08:43:18 TylerM: FrankW: I will be asking about that when I phone as well
08:43:31 FrankW: TylerM: excellent.
08:43:33 TylerM: because I assume a ruling on our application will affect that either way
08:43:35 tbowden: racicot: why would foss4g fees not be tax deductible? It's a valid work related expense
08:43:47 TylerM: ~sigh~... and here I feel like I forgot all the history on the application since it's taken sooo long
08:43:56 FrankW: the question is whether they are a charitable contribution or not.
08:44:04 crschmidt: tbowden: I guess the question is not tax de... that.
08:44:11 FrankW: If employees in the field pay foss4g out of their own money that is not generally deductable.
08:44:27 FrankW: But it is not a problem for consultants like us who can easily deduct things as business expenses.
08:44:28 TylerM: crschmidt: you mentioned 501c3 in your goals for 2010 - in what ways are hoping that will help?
08:44:32 tbowden: crikeys, in Aus it would be I believe
08:44:33 TylerM: just curious
08:44:33 racicot: well, there is a diff between work expense and charitable donation...
08:44:54 : * racicot really should not get involved in this conversation ....
08:45:05 TylerM: heh
08:45:39 TylerM: the obvious one is that individuals could get a personal tax break, aside from any consulting/biz
08:46:04 : * tbowden is still seeing it hard to fathom how foss4g conf fees could be considered a charitable donation
08:46:14 FrankW: I would add that some folks say it is also much easier to raise money from foundations if we are 501( c )3 vs. 501( c )6.
08:46:25 tbowden: In Aus, if you get something in return for a donation, it's not a donation for charitable purposes
08:46:37 TylerM: darkblue_B: you have a sense on that at all?.. fundraising potential for c6 i mean
08:46:49 tbowden: All those charities that gave out pens and such when you put money in the tin got caught by this one locally
08:47:01 TylerM: i can imagine
08:47:03 FrankW: tbowden: I'm not sure that we would be able to issue a charitable receipt for them.
08:47:38 TylerM: I guess if it was a charitable event would you have let everyone in for free, but then simply ask for a entrance fee donation? ;- ) hehe
08:48:02 tbowden: Here I believe conf fees are a straight business expense, regardless of who pays, employee or employer, but I'm not an accountant so take that with appropriate salt
08:48:37 darkblue_B: hi - I am multi-tasking now.. I would really look to some experience now.. most of what has been said shows that it is not wasy to guess the answer on a lot of this
08:48:43 TylerM: jmckenna: I put 2006 archives onto a main osgeo server. You can put it on a blade if you want, but I don't see why
08:49:01 TylerM: darkblue_B: i hear ya
08:49:13 darkblue_B: .. so I wrote an email to Kaliya requesting some specific contacts
08:49:29 FrankW: thanks darkblue_B
08:49:37 darkblue_B: you are welcome
08:49:39 TylerM: yes, excellent
08:54:27 jmckenna: TylerM: i was thinking we could try to consolidate to xblade14, since others are there ( and I have access ).
08:54:52 TylerM: heh just emailed you
08:55:03 jmckenna: ha, ok thanks
08:55:04 TylerM: personally I think we have too much on the blades already
08:55:15 TylerM: so i put it on main osgeo server.
08:55:35 TylerM: assuming it's going to be static anyway ??
08:55:41 jmckenna: thanks for updating the wiki page - it was getting confusing where everything lives
08:55:44 jmckenna: true true
08:56:19 jmckenna: but, as far as i know, i don't have any access to main server, and xblade i do...but no worries, it's static as you said : )
08:56:43 jmckenna: it's more important that we document, as you did. so, mark as fixed : )
08:57:07 TylerM: initially thought we'd use blades for experimental stuff or more intensive processes.. not more critical things. I still have nightmares about half our project sites being inaccessible for a week ;- )
08:57:23 TylerM: not my call of course : ) but hope this works for you, we can move wherever you'd like of course
08:57:32 jmckenna: totally works, thanks
08:57:51 TylerM: okay great
08:58:01 TylerM: how are things yjacolin ?
08:58:14 yjacolin: hello
08:58:25 yjacolin: nice : )
08:58:57 yjacolin: I am working for C2C now, for 1 month
08:59:09 TylerM: hi - good to hear and bonne année!
08:59:27 yjacolin: oh yes : bonne année !
08:59:53 yjacolin: time go so fast : )
09:00:42 TylerM: incroyable - mais oui ; )
09:02:31 yjacolin: almost end ofthe day here, need to leave : )
09:02:49 yjacolin: I hope to see you in Barcelonna \o/
09:02:53 yjacolin: see you : )
09:02:59 TylerM: and you - maybe sooner
09:03:08 TylerM: let me know of any important event to speak at
09:32:03 darkblue_B: TylerM: Kaliya says the Foundations list is the best resource immediately, including the archives.. more contacts possible after the 11th
09:32:23 TylerM: darkblue_B: right-o thx, drafting an email already
13:10:51 cgs_bob: hello all. some of you probably already seen my message: Just got some good news. The State of California CIO has just published an Open Source Software Policy letter that formally establishes the use of OSS in California state government. See http://www.cio.ca.gov/Government/IT_Policy/pdf/IT_Policy_Letter_10-01_Open_Source_Software.pdf
13:12:41 darkblue_B: nice
13:19:13 cgs_bob: darkblue_B: hopefully this will allow foss4g to be introduced into state government. at least I hope that happens : )
13:43:48 TylerM: cgs_bob: nice.. any ideas for how we could get in the door?
13:44:13 TylerM: cgs_bob: are you in southern CA nowadays?
13:45:37 TylerM: bwoodall / HyperJohnGraham - see my note to california list re: free booth for osgeo at linux show in LA.. in case you are interested : )
13:47:16 darkblue_B: hi TylerM you may recall both Alex and I have met with Mike Byrne since he was appointed.. they are very keen on OSGeo, for exaample following the results of the W*S shootout
13:47:34 TylerM: yes, right..
13:47:41 TylerM: curious on next steps ideas
13:47:51 darkblue_B: Mike Byrne is a direct report to Terry Takai, who signed that letter
13:49:38 wildintellect: SCALE is on our list - I guess I should update for 2010
13:49:58 wildintellect: I have the organizers card on my desk from when we met him at OSCON
13:52:12 TylerM: So you can get a crew together for it?
13:52:32 TylerM: Anyone volunteering as main contact? : ) if so, I'll reply and then send them your way.
13:52:53 TylerM: rburhum: you interested in coordinating the booth then?
13:52:57 wildintellect: Maybe we only have 1 solid member in LA
13:53:29 TylerM: Ragi wrote me off line since he was cc'd to the email I got.. I just need a nod to say yes we'll take it : )
13:54:12 cgs_bob: TylerM: one of the ways to get into the door is for osgeo to have a presence at GTC West ( http://www.govtech.com/events/gtcwest2010 )
13:54:13 sigq: Title: Home Page - GTC West: The California Digital Government Summit ( at www.govtech.com )
13:55:19 darkblue_B: well I want to not get into a huge discussion this second, but, foot in the door might not be the best way to characterize the situation
13:55:19 darkblue_B: .. its quite differnt than that
13:56:54 darkblue_B: OSGeo is highly visible to a few super sharp observers
13:56:55 darkblue_B: .. but OSGeo really has not much of a plan in place as to what to do or what to "get" or whatnot
13:56:59 darkblue_B: Certainly much credit to the very very good marketing efforts
13:57:02 darkblue_B: but thats more general
14:00:07 wildintellect: TylerM, thanks for the notice on SCALE we'll take that and the notice from CGS_Bob( who is in Sac I believe ) and discuss more on our list
14:00:33 cgs_bob: darkblue_B: I agree. but it was very helpful for a bunch of us who attended AGU and go to the 2 open source sessions.
14:00:54 darkblue_B: GTC West sounds good
14:01:38 wildintellect: cgs_bob, oh good you made it to the conf
14:03:40 cgs_bob: wildintellect: I couldn't go, but we had a bunch of geologist go. a few have not tried foss4g yet.
14:04:54 cgs_bob: I'll definitely go to GTC West...it is just 6 blocks from me : )
14:05:28 wildintellect: great, I'm putting it on the wiki right now
14:13:12 TylerM: cgs_bob: don't tell me I missed you at AGU! : )
14:13:23 TylerM: ahh i see now : )
14:13:47 TylerM: did you get any feedback from the foss sessions they attended?
14:14:34 wildintellect: I'm sure dylan B was there - I'll ask him
14:24:11 TylerM: he was only there for one day on the monday unfortunately, so i missed him :[
14:28:38 cgs_bob: TylerM: my boss told me that he liked your talk : )
14:28:55 TylerM: \o/ high five .. great thanks : )
16:03:26 bwoodall: sounds like Cal is rocking