| 03:08:03 | CIA-84: | osgeo: hamish * r3045 /livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/setup.sh: don't install extra pkgs by default |
| 03:08:04 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [3045]: don't install extra pkgs by default <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/3045> |
| 07:07:29 | cfarmer: | quick licensing question for the group: What exacly does it mean when we say that if software 'links' with say a GPLed peice of software, it must also be released under the GPL... more specificly, what does 'linking' refer to hear? Dependancies? |
| 07:08:06 | crschmidt: | cfarmer: did you read the FSF FAQ on the topic? |
| 07:08:20 | cfarmer: | wow, appologies for all the spelling errors... |
| 07:09:01 | cfarmer: | crschmidt: I did, but I'm still not clear on this? Possibly I'm not reading what I *see*, but rather what I *think* I'm reading |
| 07:09:33 | crschmidt: | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NFUseGPLPlugins is a perhaps reasonable entry; basically, linking is using a library/api at anything other than arms length |
| 07:09:37 | sigq: | Title: Frequently Asked Questions about the GNU Licenses - Free Software Foundation ( at www.fsf.org ) |
| 07:09:46 | crschmidt: | so if you're not communicating over a pipe of some sort, you're probably linking |
| 07:12:21 | cfarmer: | crschmidt: ok, good, so I think I do undestand this more than I thought... |
| 07:13:54 | cfarmer: | crschmidt: thanks again, I was reading the gnu.org faqs :-( |
| 07:15:54 | crschmidt: | np |
| 07:33:39 | TylerM: | OSGeo linked in group hits 777 members today :- ) |
| 07:40:30 | : | * TylerM spams the 777 with foss4g news : ) let's not forget them if you have news to share |
| 09:07:49 | pramsey: | flibbertigibbets, trac.osgeo.org hosed? |
| 09:09:55 | crschmidt: | works for me? a bit slow though |
| 09:10:14 | pramsey: | quite slow here. things are happening, but barely |
| 09:11:15 | crschmidt: | pramsey: seem slightly better? |
| 09:11:38 | pramsey: | yes |
| 09:12:18 | : | * crschmidt encourages anyone who is interested in improving trac.osgeo.org to organize significant financial support of OSGeo to support new servers. |
| 09:22:55 | : | * pramsey reads the SAC list. |
| 09:23:08 | : | * TylerM hands Mr. IO a pen ; ) |
| 09:26:15 | pramsey: | hobu: what are the odds the machines will be in place in time to do a SAC sprint in Feb? |
| 09:26:27 | crschmidt: | When is the sprint? |
| 09:27:00 | pramsey: | Feb 20-23 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_York_Code_Sprint_2010 |
| 09:27:02 | sigq: | Title: New York Code Sprint 2010 - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 09:31:21 | TylerM: | ping wildintellect on that one... |
| 09:32:02 | TylerM: | FrankW or others.. heard anything about an Oracle + GDAL webinar via directionsmag? |
| 09:32:16 | TylerM: | "showing how oracle embraces open source" |
| 09:32:45 | : | * TylerM is looking for an oracle contact on this. |
| 09:35:15 | TylerM: | http://www.oracle.com/profit/features/spatial.html .. Oracle 11g... "GeoRaster has a new Java API and is supported by the GDAL open source ETL tool, and the Semantic Technologies of Oracle Spatial provide stronger security...." |
| 09:35:16 | sigq: | Title: Special Report: Spatial Enterprise Applications ( at www.oracle.com ) |
| 09:37:17 | crschmidt: | Of course, the use of GeoRaster makes GDAL Not Open Source when compiled in... |
| 09:37:31 | crschmidt: | since the 'oracle client libraries' required aren't open source... |
| 09:38:15 | crschmidt: | afaik |
| 09:44:32 | hobu: | TylerM: you want ivan lucena |
| 09:45:13 | FrankW: | TylerM: yes, Ivan mentioned something like that would be happening. |
| 09:45:41 | TylerM: | appropriate person to talk about sponsorship with? anyone else already have in-roads there? |
| 09:45:47 | FrankW: | crschmidt: it doesn't make GDAL not open source, even if the OCI library is not open source. |
| 09:46:05 | FrankW: | TylerM: I would suggest you phone Ivan and get some background. |
| 09:46:16 | hobu: | open source sponsorship + oracle post-sun == bwahahaha |
| 09:46:28 | FrankW: | But I think Ivan is already milking the Oracle Spatial guys for all they are willing to spend. |
| 09:48:46 | TylerM: | Okay, you wouldn't rather discuss it personally with him since he knows you? |
| 09:49:08 | FrankW: | I have already discussed it with him to some degree, but don't recall details. |
| 09:49:13 | FrankW: | I think it's best for you to get them directly from him. |
| 09:49:30 | crschmidt: | FrankW: Yeah, I'm being zealot. GDAL obviously doesn't become not open source, but the thing that 'make --with-georaster' produces can't be open source... |
| 09:49:34 | crschmidt: | Not that it's relevant. |
| 09:49:35 | FrankW: | If we want to approach Oracle, I think Ivan and I could assist at some point. I might have a bit of juice with the oracle spatial folks. |
| 09:49:49 | : | * hobu has some juice too |
| 09:49:56 | FrankW: | Well, it is certainly no different than using mrsid libraries, etc. |
| 09:50:07 | TylerM: | ok, can you please email me some contact info? |
| 09:50:09 | crschmidt: | FrankW: I do not disagree. : ) |
| 09:50:39 | FrankW: | TylerM: I'll introduce you to Ivan by email. |
| 09:51:36 | TylerM: | that'd be great, hx |
| 09:51:37 | TylerM: | thx |
| 09:53:41 | FrankW: | ok, email sent, hobu cc:ed. |
| 10:24:31 | crschmidt: | TylerM: How often do you modify a .php file on OSGeo1? |
| 10:28:49 | TylerM: | never, if i can help it. fixed up a few back in 2008 but not much since then, all around the use of http://osgeo.org/ocs for the FOSS4G 2008 event |
| 10:28:50 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Events ( at osgeo.org ) |
| 10:28:57 | crschmidt: | Okay. |
| 11:31:03 | wildintellect: | pramsey, I'll do my best - though that was in March for some reason.... |
| 11:31:27 | pramsey: | thanks wildintellect |
| 11:47:10 | wildintellect: | TylerM, based on SAC discussion etc there are a few tweaks to the server specs |
| 11:49:28 | wildintellect: | FrankW, about our discussion yesterday - I did some research, the RAID solutions in tests I read about performed really well with 1000 i/o operations at a time |
| 12:48:52 | TylerM: | wildintellect: re: the previous quote, I don't know dell very well.. will you just rework your own quote and reference our customer number? |
| 12:49:03 | TylerM: | or should I respond to the agent who sent me the last one? |
| 12:49:06 | TylerM: | curious on the approach |
| 12:49:26 | wildintellect: | well since you have an agent assigned to you Dell prefers you go through that person |
| 12:49:37 | wildintellect: | I'm making a list of things though so it will be easy |
| 12:50:25 | wildintellect: | we'll see maybe If i use the customer number that person will get a copy |
| 12:50:49 | wildintellect: | and then you can just chat to make sure we get a good discount |
| 12:52:39 | wildintellect: | we will need to resolve this RAID 5 vs RAID 6 debate preferably before order so that dell does the setup though otherwise OSL will have to do it and it could delay the server readiness |
| 13:51:04 | wildintellect: | sorry to disappoint everyone but based on price we have to lower to 48GB of ram per machine |
| 14:49:09 | wildintellect: | FrankW, it's all come down to hard drive space/speed vs ram with really odd compromise options |
| 14:51:46 | : | * wildintellect takes a break from Dell induced insanity |
| 15:44:15 | TylerM: | wildintellect: only 48GB RAM - oh geez, the compromises are hard to take :D |
| 15:44:43 | wildintellect: | that's 96GB between the 2 machines... |
| 15:45:15 | wildintellect: | I was worried until I fixed the formulas in my spreadsheet |
| 15:45:54 | pramsey: | with only 48Gb, how am I going to make it self-aware? |
| 15:45:56 | wildintellect: | I've only managed to allocate 84 GB, I guess the rest is for the host OS on kvm |
| 15:46:25 | pramsey: | or you could run confluence. that would use it up |
| 15:46:25 | wildintellect: | well so that raises the question, should we move to 36GB so we can afford the better HD |
| 15:46:40 | wildintellect: | really is confluence 64bit |
| 15:47:09 | wildintellect: | I guess if you spawn a million processes you don't need 64 bit to kill a machine |
| 15:48:22 | TylerM: | lol confluence |
| 15:48:44 | TylerM: | seems httpd does just fine at using up ram |
| 15:49:40 | wildintellect: | that's why I've got down 8 GB for each vm running drupal/mediawiki/joomla etc |
| 15:49:56 | wildintellect: | and the mysql instance on it's own vm with 8 GB |
| 15:52:04 | wildintellect: | the funny part, as tricky as the purchasing part is, figuring out how to divide the resources amongst the services is quite hard |
| 15:52:09 | wildintellect: | since it's all guessing |
| 15:52:45 | pramsey: | well, don't go too crazy breaking things into their own instances |
| 15:55:39 | wildintellect: | The ideal number in my head for some reason is 6 |
| 15:55:52 | wildintellect: | though my spreadsheet, went down the path of more splitting |
| 15:56:55 | TylerM: | appreciate the efforts, thx Alex |
| 16:00:00 | wildintellect: | in this case the bigger drives probably = better performance |
| 16:00:56 | wildintellect: | since the smaller drives either compromised rpms or transfer rate |
| 16:02:24 | wildintellect: | what kinds of things are we running out of space for? |
| 18:27:24 | jmckenna: | creating osgeo4w documentation in Japanese has begun: http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/WikiStart very cool |
| 18:27:26 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo4W - Trac ( at trac.osgeo.org ) |
| 18:28:58 | jmckenna: | i am filing a request ticket for OSGeo Trac instance to be upgraded, because recent versions support localization ( trac buttons such as "View Tickets" are displayed in browser language settings, such as Japanese ). filing request ticket now |
| 18:29:18 | crschmidt: | There is no practical way that trac can be ugpraded on the current hardware. |
| 18:29:31 | jmckenna: | that is not the news i need to hear :( |
| 18:29:41 | crschmidt: | But I expect that we'll have an upgraded version when we get the new hardware. |
| 18:29:52 | crschmidt: | Which is in the timescale of weeks at this point rather than months. |
| 18:29:57 | wildintellect: | ETA is march |
| 18:30:09 | wildintellect: | I was just reading about Dell being very slow on shipping servers |
| 18:30:14 | jmckenna: | i will file the request ticket now. ok, this is good news, that the ETA is approaching. |
| 18:30:48 | jmckenna: | thanks for the info guys, much appreciated. |
| 18:32:42 | wildintellect: | crschmidt, any thoughts on the new hardware? |
| 18:37:10 | crschmidt: | wildintellect: where's the most recent quote? |
| 18:38:26 | crschmidt: | wildintellect: I'm generally of the opinion that we should be needing a small amount of disk space. |
| 18:38:35 | crschmidt: | wildintellect: if that's relevant. |
| 18:39:33 | wildintellect: | ya the problem I ran into was that the the smaller drive made us choose between high rpm or high transfer rate |
| 18:41:22 | wildintellect: | https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AifEHeRRT620dHF0ZDExSXFzSVlSQWxVcXRqUnBOQ1E&hl=en |
| 18:41:24 | sigq: | Title: Welcome to Google Docs ( at spreadsheets.google.com ) |
| 18:41:50 | wildintellect: | take a look at the hardware sheet at the bottom I have the options layed out in simple form |
| 18:45:40 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Ticket #529 ( task created ): Request to upgrade Trac instance to recent version for Localization support ( L10N ) <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/529> |