| 01:48:12 | CIA-84: | osgeo: lbecchi * r3096 /foss4g/2010/website/presentations.php: errata presentations.php |
| 01:48:13 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [3096]: errata presentations.php <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/3096> |
| 05:39:00 | CIA-84: | osgeo: alfonx * r3097 /livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/descriptions/geopublishing_licence.html: Removed the <table> tags are the fourth column of geopublishing_licence.html |
| 08:01:15 | crschmidt: | TylerM: Yo. |
| 08:02:16 | crschmidt: | TylerM: The pairNIC contact information currently has Jason's phone number, fax number, email address, and name on the registrant records. |
| 08:02:33 | crschmidt: | TylerM: I'd like to change this to point to someone with standing in OSGeo; you seem to be an ideal candidate. |
| 08:03:00 | crschmidt: | Fax number is optional, but if you'd be willing to let me know what phone/email you'd like used there, I can update it ( or you can update it yourself ). |
| 08:07:45 | : | * crschmidt was going to just use the details from http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Contact , but knows that domain name registration emails get tons of spam |
| 08:07:47 | sigq: | Title: Contact - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org ) |
| 13:39:29 | s34n: | I'm looking for help on FDO issues |
| 13:54:48 | s34n: | there doesn't seem to be much happening in the #fdo channel |
| 13:55:30 | s34n: | is there a more popular place to discuss FDO? |
| 14:00:46 | crschmidt: | The mailing list, probably. |
| 14:03:12 | s34n: | are there advantages of fdo over gdal? |
| 14:05:10 | crschmidt: | Support for SDF doesn't interest you, I suppose. |
| 14:05:49 | s34n: | well... |
| 14:06:10 | s34n: | I've already given up on SDF, I think |
| 14:06:34 | s34n: | I'd rather just go postgis or some such |
| 14:07:28 | crschmidt: | I would have expected FDO to have better support for something like AutoCAD diagrams or whatever given its history. |
| 14:07:29 | s34n: | right now I'm pretty frustrates with autodesk, which seems to be the main purveyor of SDF |
| 14:07:40 | crschmidt: | But that doesn't seem to be the case from a quick glance. |
| 14:08:27 | StormTide: | anyone have a source on nautical symbology... eg s-57 symbology? |
| 14:08:40 | s34n: | actually, I'm pretty frustrated with autodesk, period. and that extends to FDO |
| 14:09:27 | s34n: | as near as I can tell ( granted, I'm not on the mailing lists ) FDO seems like one of those fake open source projects |
| 14:09:40 | crschmidt: | FDO is a real open source project. |
| 14:10:14 | s34n: | I'm sure it must be, but they developers seem to hide behind paywaills |
| 14:10:43 | : | * s34n is embarred about typing skills |
| 14:11:00 | s34n: | *embarrassed |
| 14:11:11 | crschmidt: | s34n: I work for MetaCarta, who sells proprietary search appliances. |
| 14:11:23 | crschmidt: | s34n: OpenLayers was initially developed entirely by MetaCarta employees. |
| 14:11:28 | crschmidt: | I don't think that made, or makes, OpenLayers not open source. |
| 14:11:47 | s34n: | crschmidt: yes. and you hang out in a number of forums and are very helpful to newbies |
| 14:12:10 | s34n: | crschmidt: you are very accessible |
| 14:12:20 | crschmidt: | s34n: In my personal time, sure. |
| 14:12:40 | crschmidt: | s34n: But that's at a significant personal cost that I can't expect most developers to make. |
| 14:13:10 | s34n: | crschmidt: one of the things that attracts me to OpenLayers is the tremendous access to a community that shares |
| 14:13:33 | s34n: | expertise, suggestions, ideas, etc. |
| 14:13:54 | crschmidt: | s34n: FDO is a less open development environment, there is no doubt. but that doesn't make it not open source. |
| 14:14:15 | s34n: | true |
| 14:14:18 | crschmidt: | It's simply a more insular community; similar is also true of other OSGeo projects like gvSIG, ossimPlanet where many developers share a physical space. |
| 14:14:34 | crschmidt: | It's way easier to walk down the hall than send email to a mailing list |
| 14:14:45 | s34n: | it makes it much less appealing to me |
| 14:14:58 | crschmidt: | For good reason. |
| 14:15:40 | crschmidt: | But it's important to seperate personal desire/interest/observations from the actual facts of the matter; as it is, FDO is an open source project with a relatively insular developer community primarily supported by Autodesk. |
| 14:15:48 | s34n: | true |
| 14:16:14 | s34n: | what I was saying was that they open just enough to try to bait |
| 14:16:48 | s34n: | with serious desires to switch to a revenue-producing relationship |
| 14:17:24 | s34n: | I certainly understand that it costs money to pay for developers, etc. |
| 14:17:38 | crschmidt: | s34n: I don't think there is an intentional attempt to bait. |
| 14:17:45 | s34n: | And I appreciate the tempation to run a project that way. |
| 14:18:52 | s34n: | I think that autodesk tries to tout their MapGuide, etc. as open source and to attract free development |
| 14:18:57 | crschmidt: | I think that FDO was open sourced as a goodwill gesture, but that Autodesk is not in a position where they are deep in the Open Source community. |
| 14:19:09 | crschmidt: | That may have been true at one point, but practically speaking, they have to realize by now that that's not the case : ) |
| 14:19:14 | s34n: | But make every effort to sign potential users into revenue-producing relationships |
| 14:19:29 | crschmidt: | They pay for a fair amount of development on MapGuide ( or at least have in the past ) |
| 14:19:58 | crschmidt: | ANd honestly, having the ability to use Autodesk software and the like with open source software isn't entirely a bad thing for customers in that situation. |
| 14:20:13 | s34n: | I agree that it isn't fair to criticize a company the way I am |
| 14:20:17 | crschmidt: | heh |
| 14:20:21 | s34n: | I'm whining, and I'll stop |
| 14:20:22 | crschmidt: | I'm not saying it's unfair. |
| 14:20:30 | crschmidt: | You just have to put it all in context. |
| 14:20:39 | crschmidt: | Overall, I'm happier that MapGuide + FDO are open source than if they weren't. |
| 14:20:46 | s34n: | it just isn't what I'm used to as a long time OSS participant |
| 14:20:50 | crschmidt: | Sure. |
| 14:20:55 | crschmidt: | It's not a very open development environment. |
| 14:21:08 | crschmidt: | Which is often what 'Open source' developer-types think of with regard to Open Source. |
| 14:21:12 | crschmidt: | But some things aren't like that. |
| 14:21:21 | crschmidt: | The MetaCarta Labs rectifier is open source. |
| 14:21:30 | crschmidt: | It's not open develpoment -- there is no SVN, or developer community. |
| 14:21:42 | crschmidt: | It's just something that it seemed like we should release to the community to do what they wished with it, and some people have. |
| 14:22:52 | s34n: | I've released my share of poorly-supported open source software |
| 14:26:22 | crschmidt: | s34n: at the very least, the FDO trac seems quite active. |
| 14:26:41 | crschmidt: | tickets, RFCs, milestones, etc. |
| 14:27:50 | s34n: | crschmidt: the deleted their user forumn -> http://old.nabble.com/fdo-users-f18163.html |
| 14:28:21 | crschmidt: | http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/fdo-users/ |
| 14:28:22 | sigq: | Title: The fdo-users Archives ( at lists.osgeo.org ) |
| 14:28:33 | crschmidt: | s34n: old.nabble is old |
| 14:28:40 | crschmidt: | we migrated all the osgeo ones to the nabble2 interface |
| 14:28:55 | crschmidt: | http://n2.nabble.com/FDO-Users-f2048584.html |
| 14:28:56 | sigq: | Title: FDO Users forum & mailing list archive ( at n2.nabble.com ) |
| 14:28:59 | crschmidt: | so no, they didn't. I did. : ) |
| 14:29:01 | s34n: | crschmidt: that was a redirect from http://www.nabble.com/fdo-users-f18163.html |
| 14:29:07 | crschmidt: | right |
| 14:29:10 | crschmidt: | that's not where it is anymore |
| 14:29:21 | s34n: | which is the link on the fdo website |
| 14:29:29 | crschmidt: | s34n: Blame me. |
| 14:29:38 | crschmidt: | s34n: at the time, Nabble's redirects were more sane. |
| 14:29:46 | crschmidt: | Apparently they have become less sane since I transitioned the lists. |
| 14:29:55 | crschmidt: | Where is that link? |
| 14:47:32 | s34n: | crschmidt: sorry. I stepped out |
| 14:47:37 | s34n: | crschmidt: http://fdo.osgeo.org/user.html |
| 14:47:38 | sigq: | Title: Getting Involved as a User | FDO ( at fdo.osgeo.org ) |
| 14:48:14 | crschmidt: | s34n: Okay. So the earlier links on that page are right, at least : ) |
| 14:53:56 | s34n: | hmm.. it seems that the postgis FDO provider doesn't really work |
| 14:54:19 | s34n: | it relies on you installing the client driver separately |
| 14:55:29 | s34n: | fighting version mismatch, and other matchup problems |
| 15:02:57 | s34n: | the FDO is also missing MSVCR90.dll |
| 15:03:04 | s34n: | and IESHIMS.dll |
| 15:18:59 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [3098]: raster-clip icon <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/3098> |
| 15:19:12 | CIA-84: | osgeo: robert * r3098 /graphics/toolbar-icons/ ( raster-clip.png raster-clip.svg ): raster-clip icon |
| 15:36:06 | CIA-84: | osgeo: robert * r3099 /graphics/toolbar-icons/ ( 16x16 raster-clip.png 24x24/raster-clip.png 32x32 24x24 ): rendering subfolders for toolbar icons |
| 15:36:07 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [3099]: rendering subfolders for toolbar icons <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/3099> |
| 15:51:10 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [3100]: svg source cleaned <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/3100> |
| 15:51:47 | CIA-84: | osgeo: robert * r3100 /graphics/toolbar-icons/raster-clip.svg: svg source cleaned |
| 17:37:38 | whyANN: | hello all |
| 23:20:13 | CIA-84: | osgeo: wildintellect * r3101 /livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/install_gpsdrive.sh: No prompt on auto-remove in gpsdrive, how should we deal with cleaning up previous kernels? |