| 10:28:15 | lukus78: | hi |
| 10:28:49 | lukus78: | can someone point me towards a good tool or app that I can use to add ESRI shapefile data to a postgis database? |
| 10:31:22 | springmeyer: | are you looking for a Graphic/Desktop tool or a command line tool? |
| 10:32:29 | springmeyer: | for the former I use the 'SPIT' plugin within QuantumGIS, but I more commonly use the command line tool called shp2pgsql that comes with postgis |
| 10:50:53 | lukus78: | springmeyer, basically want to find the most flexible solution .. i'll try both |
| 10:50:55 | lukus78: | thanks |
| 10:51:23 | springmeyer: | well, you might find ogr2ogr to be the most flexible.... |
| 10:51:31 | lukus78: | cool |
| 10:51:50 | lukus78: | i'll try it out |
| 10:52:25 | lukus78: | do you think quantum is the best desktop app for gis ( open source ) at the mom? |
| 10:52:40 | pramsey: | you have to try them all |
| 10:52:43 | lukus78: | i really just need to browse features and maybe edit a bit |
| 10:53:08 | lukus78: | pramsey .. what if i only had one week to live... which would you suggest? |
| 10:53:46 | pramsey: | spend your time hugging your kids |
| 10:53:59 | lukus78: | lol |
| 10:54:04 | lukus78: | i asked for that |
| 10:54:08 | pramsey: | this is apples and oranges and melons time |
| 10:54:14 | lukus78: | okay |
| 10:54:17 | pramsey: | you'll be surprised at where they differ and how |
| 10:54:34 | lukus78: | just like everyone - i want arcgis on opensource |
| 10:54:49 | pramsey: | and your perception of their goodness will be highly correlated to where they fail you, in "important" places or "unimportant" places. |
| 10:55:01 | lukus78: | good advice |
| 10:55:13 | lukus78: | grass looked the most intimidating |
| 10:55:17 | pramsey: | having said that, I need to try them all again, it's been a year |
| 10:55:20 | pramsey: | so much has changed |
| 10:55:21 | lukus78: | when i last looked at an overview |
| 10:55:47 | pramsey: | it was really really instructive to try and to the same things in all of them |
| 10:56:10 | pramsey: | like, they all had tables, but some of them worked well, and some fell apart for larger files |
| 10:56:22 | pramsey: | all of them had access to the database directly, but some had good edting and som ehad none |
| 10:56:31 | lukus78: | i imagine hacking formats is an issue sometimes.. |
| 10:56:41 | pramsey: | all had "printing" but some had really only PoC level and some had usable layout tools |
| 10:57:10 | pramsey: | and the "usability" of the UIs was all over the map |
| 10:57:33 | lukus78: | is quantum the one that uses the eclipse format? |
| 10:57:39 | pramsey: | no, that's udig |
| 10:57:43 | lukus78: | ah okay |
| 10:57:47 | : | * nhv mentions vim<=>emacs analogy |
| 10:57:47 | : | * springmeyer was there once: 'just like everyone - i want arcgis on opensource' |
| 10:57:50 | pramsey: | qgis is a QT one |
| 10:58:13 | lukus78: | k |
| 10:58:20 | : | * lukus78 mumbles emacs |
| 10:58:25 | : | * springmeyer now thinks 'just like everyone - i want arcgis to be more like opensource' |
| 10:58:26 | : | * lukus78 and hides |
| 10:58:59 | : | * lukus78 thinks 'i want argis to run on linux and be free; |
| 10:59:17 | lukus78: | i'm being flippant, of course |
| 10:59:25 | lukus78: | i think i understand |
| 10:59:31 | springmeyer: | I thought that once too. |
| 11:00:30 | springmeyer: | now I'm more glad that I can express that I've 'had' to learn postgis ( everything vector in arcgis and better ) and python scripting of gdal ( everything raster in arcgis and better ) ( for me ) |
| 11:01:07 | lukus78: | ahh so gdal is good for raster? |
| 11:01:08 | springmeyer: | just speaking from my backgound of course... |
| 11:01:15 | lukus78: | i was wondering what filled the hole |
| 11:01:32 | nhv: | python scripting ogr for fine grained postgis control is an option also |
| 11:01:59 | lukus78: | i've heard good things about python |
| 11:02:19 | springmeyer: | gdal == raster |
| 11:02:21 | lukus78: | ( not least from the xkcd guy ) |
| 11:02:32 | lukus78: | gdal is the same as raster? |
| 11:02:36 | : | * springmeyer has not touched arcgis or grass since learning python <-> gdal |
| 11:02:50 | lukus78: | i'm confused |
| 11:02:51 | springmeyer: | I mean loosly for me... |
| 11:02:54 | lukus78: | oh |
| 11:02:55 | lukus78: | okay |
| 11:02:58 | springmeyer: | sorry, being 'flippant' |
| 11:03:05 | lukus78: | it's catching... |
| 11:03:11 | lukus78: | so gdal is a library? |
| 11:03:31 | springmeyer: | using gdal as a library with python bindings is what I am being flippant about.... : ) |
| 11:03:49 | lukus78: | heheh |
| 11:04:23 | springmeyer: | and yes, as nhv mentioned, you can script postgreSQL with python as well |
| 11:04:43 | lukus78: | cool |
| 11:05:07 | springmeyer: | http://postgis.refractions.net/support/wiki/index.php?PostgisAndPython |
| 11:05:08 | sigq: | Title: PostGIS Wiki : Postgis And Python ( at postgis.refractions.net ) |
| 11:05:24 | lukus78: | the only issue i have with postgreSQL scripts at the mom.. is that ones that make use of C need SU permission on the server I use.. ( which I don't have ) ... not sure if it would be the same for python |
| 11:05:33 | lukus78: | thx |
| 11:05:36 | lukus78: | i'll check it out |
| 11:06:06 | springmeyer: | no sudo - ya, that's tough |
| 11:06:29 | lukus78: | it's a shared server .. but the admins are kind enough to run stuff on my behalf |
| 11:06:55 | lukus78: | i can play around with stuff on my own pc i guess - and upload once complete |
| 11:06:58 | springmeyer: | http://www.gdal.org/ogr/drv_pg.html |
| 11:06:59 | sigq: | Title: PostgreSQL ( at www.gdal.org ) |
| 11:07:27 | lukus78: | cheers |
| 11:07:35 | springmeyer: | well, I've installed ( and been slapped for ) postgreSQL/postgis on dreamhost shared server |
| 11:07:52 | lukus78: | well i'm with webfaction - who helped me get it running |
| 11:08:12 | lukus78: | they're truly brilliant |
| 11:08:22 | springmeyer: | hmm, ya webfaction should be able to install for you. |
| 11:08:30 | lukus78: | do you know them? |
| 11:08:50 | springmeyer: | well, I use VPS not shared now... |
| 11:08:59 | lukus78: | k |
| 11:09:06 | springmeyer: | but I have colleagues that use them |
| 11:09:18 | lukus78: | i like them a lot |
| 11:09:32 | lukus78: | before that - i was with 1and1 for years... and stayed with them through laziness |
| 11:09:39 | springmeyer: | amazon ec2 is another option for a cheap test/teardown environment |
| 11:09:42 | lukus78: | god i _hate_ that company |
| 11:09:49 | lukus78: | ( not amazon ) |
| 11:10:08 | lukus78: | yeah... i've heard a lot about their cloud stuff |
| 11:10:14 | lukus78: | neat idea |
| 11:10:17 | springmeyer: | http://os.umbrellaconsulting.com/wiki/AmazonEC2 |
| 11:10:18 | sigq: | Title: AmazonEC2 - trac_os - Trac ( at os.umbrellaconsulting.com ) |
| 11:10:26 | lukus78: | ... which i could pay with paypal or maestro ( uk debit ) |
| 11:10:31 | springmeyer: | jlivni's brilliance |
| 11:10:59 | : | * springmeyer takes no credit |
| 11:11:00 | lukus78: | my god |
| 11:11:02 | lukus78: | that's amazing |
| 11:11:08 | lukus78: | what a superb idea |
| 11:11:10 | springmeyer: | he's got an instance with all the gis stuff ready to clone there.... |
| 11:11:31 | springmeyer: | perhaps has not been updated in a few months but could be easily |
| 11:11:34 | lukus78: | they're like portable tents |
| 11:11:42 | lukus78: | .. easy to erect, easy to take down |
| 11:11:43 | springmeyer: | on the google lawn... |
| 11:11:47 | lukus78: | yeah |
| 11:11:48 | lukus78: | lol |
| 11:12:11 | lukus78: | sun's server farms seem pretty nice |
| 11:12:21 | lukus78: | good for blender ( rendering ) |
| 11:12:52 | lukus78: | anyway I need to go fiddle |
| 11:12:55 | lukus78: | thanks for the tips |
| 11:13:07 | springmeyer: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/crschmidt/2527917957/ |
| 11:13:08 | sigq: | Title: Tents at Google on Flickr - Photo Sharing! ( at www.flickr.com ) |
| 11:13:09 | springmeyer: | me too... |
| 11:13:15 | springmeyer: | thanks for the distraction |
| 11:13:21 | lukus78: | : ) |
| 11:13:22 | : | * springmeyer gets back to work |
| 14:19:22 | githogori: | Anybody ever have any luck building geos-3.0.0 using gcc-4.3.1? |
| 14:19:36 | githogori: | Used the patch, but still had some failings. |
| 14:45:01 | githogori: | dead zone. |
| 15:23:53 | darkblue_B: | gcc 4.1.3 here |
| 15:25:21 | darkblue_B: | why not use geos trunk? |
| 15:25:41 | darkblue_B: | githogori: seems worth a try |
| 15:26:41 | githogori: | What is geos trunk? |
| 15:26:52 | githogori: | Thanks for responding by the way. |
| 15:29:01 | darkblue_B: | hmm just looking now |
| 15:29:13 | darkblue_B: | by coincidence they were changing the web site around I believe |
| 15:29:29 | darkblue_B: | geos trunk is the development/source code repository |
| 15:30:18 | darkblue_B: | yes, it shows up for me |
| 15:30:40 | darkblue_B: | can you install svn on your machine? |
| 15:31:05 | darkblue_B: | try svn help at the command line |
| 15:31:25 | darkblue_B: | if yuo get svn .. you can check out a read only copy of the source code |
| 15:32:29 | darkblue_B: | svn checkout http://svn.osgeo.org/geos/trunk geos_trunk |
| 15:32:30 | sigq: | Title: Revision 2157: /trunk ( at svn.osgeo.org ) |
| 15:50:28 | githogori: | Sorry - I stepped away for a minute - thanks for all the info - I'll try it when I get home. |
| 15:50:57 | githogori: | So, I am assuming trunk is the same as getting a working copy via cvs or some such. |