| 00:46:11 | CIA-15: | timlinux * r4725 /trunk/qgis/src/gui/qgsvectorlayer.cpp: Improve marker positioning |
| 01:04:36 | Jazon: | good morning |
| 01:05:00 | Jazon: | : ) |
| 01:05:41 | Jazon: | timlinux: well, I left it compiling last night, and it seems to have finished...... do I now make install ??? |
| 01:06:08 | Jazon: | gsherman: Are you still around? |
| 01:13:22 | Jazon: | there is a problemm with make install.... i think it is because my distro uses /usr/lib and not /usr/local does this mean I need to re./configure it ??? |
| 01:15:46 | timlinux: | Jazon: hi |
| 01:16:11 | timlinux: | Jazon: gsherman is watching the back of his eyelids - its past mignight in alaska |
| 01:16:48 | Jazon: | timlinux: heh - didn't know he was in alaska... |
| 01:19:32 | Jazon: | !paste |
| 01:19:45 | timlinux: | @faq paste |
| 01:19:45 | sigq: | timlinux: Avoid flooding - paste your long clipboard contents at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 01:19:55 | timlinux: | Jazon: what install prefix did you use? |
| 01:20:00 | timlinux: | when you ran configure I mean |
| 01:20:21 | Jazon: | i must apologize.... i forgot the time prefix |
| 01:20:30 | timlinux: | its proabbly failing because you are trying to install it into a prefix requiring root provaleges |
| 01:20:38 | timlinux: | which indicates you are using a bad install prefix |
| 01:20:52 | timlinux: | make sure you install it to your home dir or similar |
| 01:21:01 | timlinux: | otherwise you will overwrite qgis 0.7.4 |
| 01:21:03 | timlinux: | oh |
| 01:21:05 | Jazon: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/n3cist44.html |
| 01:21:16 | timlinux: | and if you are gonna do make install again you might as well do |
| 01:21:18 | timlinux: | svn update |
| 01:21:21 | timlinux: | first |
| 01:21:29 | timlinux: | to get my changes from last night |
| 01:22:22 | Jazon: | timlinux: do you see that paste |
| 01:24:22 | timlinux: | did the make step complete without errors? |
| 01:24:53 | Jazon: | yes it did. I saw no errors |
| 01:25:08 | Jazon: | timlinux: but i might not know what i am looking for either |
| 01:25:33 | timlinux: | Jazon: looking at your paste core seems to have built fine |
| 01:27:51 | timlinux: | Jazon: Ill have to get back to helping you this evening - work calls here |
| 01:28:06 | Jazon: | ttyl ! |
| 02:02:50 | sh: | timlinux: hi tim |
| 02:04:25 | timlinux: | hi sh |
| 02:05:45 | sh: | timlinux: short question: is the qgis-user-map available as WMS-service? |
| 02:05:56 | timlinux: | sh: no |
| 02:06:01 | timlinux: | I keep meaning to do that |
| 02:06:22 | timlinux: | sh: but keep putting it down my priority list |
| 02:06:33 | timlinux: | sh: I can prolly do it quick |
| 02:07:04 | sh: | timlinux: no hurry, just wondering, because I could not find a hint on qgis.org. |
| 02:08:30 | timlinux: | sh: |
| 02:08:41 | timlinux: | oh I see I already havea wms ready map file |
| 02:14:40 | timlinux: | sh: hmm I think I need to upgrade my mapserver cgi |
| 02:14:52 | timlinux: | I think mine doesnt have wms support |
| 02:30:27 | sh: | timlinux: no problem at all. thanks for answering on that |
| 02:32:02 | nhv: | timlinux you can check with running "./mapserv -v" from the CLI |
| 02:32:54 | timlinux: | MapServer version 4.0.1 OUTPUT=PNG OUTPUT=JPEG OUTPUT=WBMP SUPPORTS=PROJ SUPPORTS=FREETYPE SUPPORTS=WMS_SERVER SUPPORTS=WMS_CLIENT SUPPORTS=WFS_SERVER SUPPORTS=WFS_CLIENT INPUT=TIFF INPUT=EPPL7 INPUT=JPEG INPUT=POSTGIS INPUT=OGR INPUT=GDAL INPUT=SHAPEFILE |
| 02:33:03 | timlinux: | hmm so there must be something else Im doing wrong |
| 02:34:15 | nhv: | hmm you might have a problem with your mapserv |
| 02:34:30 | nhv: | you shouild be using GDA for TIFF support |
| 02:34:41 | nhv: | GDAL |
| 02:35:25 | nhv: | so when you configure --with-gdal you should use --without-tiff --without -geotiff |
| 02:35:43 | nhv: | see the readme and ./configure --help for exact commands |
| 02:37:20 | nhv: | http://cvs.gis.umn.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs/mapserver/README.CONFIGURE?rev=1.33&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 02:37:22 | sigq: | Title: mapserver/README.CONFIGURE - view - 1.33 ( at cvs.gis.umn.edu ) |
| 02:37:42 | nhv: | oops a long URL I forgot :- ) |
| 02:39:20 | timlinux: | hhehe |
| 02:39:24 | nhv: | Do not use --with-tiff together with --with-gdal. If you are also using |
| 02:39:26 | nhv: | --with-gdal then you should *not* use --with-tiff. GDAL provides better |
| 02:39:27 | nhv: | Tiff support than this option, and that will save potential problems at |
| 02:39:29 | nhv: | runtime. |
| 02:39:30 | timlinux: | nhv: the mapserver is installed from rpm |
| 02:39:32 | timlinux: | on rhel |
| 02:39:38 | nhv: | he he |
| 02:39:46 | timlinux: | nhv: I dont like to install stuff from source on my servers |
| 02:39:54 | nhv: | :- ) |
| 02:40:11 | timlinux: | because its humanly impossible to keep everything up to date then |
| 02:40:16 | nhv: | well just don't use tiff output |
| 02:40:23 | nhv: | or input |
| 02:40:25 | timlinux: | but Im busy moving my server over to debian |
| 02:40:37 | timlinux: | so hopefylly the mapserver in apt is better configured |
| 02:41:01 | nhv: | probably worth a note to the mapserver list or the redhat maintainer |
| 02:41:15 | nhv: | this could cause lots of subtle problems |
| 02:41:38 | nhv: | might not but it can |
| 02:42:22 | nhv: | I think if GDAL and Mapserver are linked to the same tiff and geotiff things are OK and this is probably true with official rpms |
| 02:42:28 | timlinux: | right now most of the commie map stupp is just pg layers |
| 02:42:47 | timlinux: | we have some experimental ones with nasa bluemarble stuff |
| 02:43:03 | timlinux: | but that is too slow for general useage |
| 02:44:08 | nhv: | ooh we can make WMS data sources fast enough with an OSSIM backend by requesting tiled layers and keeping a local cache |
| 02:44:17 | nhv: | like osgPlanet |
| 02:44:23 | timlinux: | nhv: it wasnt that |
| 02:44:29 | timlinux: | it was more the bandwirfth |
| 02:44:37 | timlinux: | for users on slow connections |
| 02:44:39 | nhv: | true |
| 02:44:54 | timlinux: | because I refused to downample the images from 24 bit :-P |
| 02:45:00 | nhv: | he he |
| 02:45:04 | timlinux: | because they look crappola when doing that |
| 02:45:09 | nhv: | request them as jpeg |
| 02:45:20 | timlinux: | I think I tried that too |
| 02:45:34 | timlinux: | Ill see if I can dig up that map file and show you |
| 03:05:48 | timlinux: | msLoadMap( ): Unknown identifier. Parsing error near ( METADATA ):( line 17 ) |
| 03:05:55 | timlinux: | thats what I get when I try to enable wms |
| 03:18:19 | nhv: | can you paste your mapfile |
| 03:23:45 | nhv: | he he just starting to look at some of our recent HabCam Imagery http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/HABCAM_more_UFOs.jpg |
| 03:33:09 | timlinux: | nhv: you got a web cam out in the sea/river/fishtank? |
| 03:33:48 | nhv: | sort of |
| 03:34:09 | nhv: | http://www.seascallop.com/HabCam.html |
| 03:34:12 | timlinux: | nhv: I cant post the map file anywhere public as its got top secret goodies in it |
| 03:34:15 | sigq: | Title: Scallop Research Setaside 2004 Project 007 ( at www.seascallop.com ) |
| 03:34:35 | timlinux: | like my postgis password :-P |
| 03:34:37 | Jazon: | timlinux: i think i am going to wait for the deb pkg :s heh |
| 03:34:47 | nhv: | k how about just the first 25 lines |
| 03:34:50 | timlinux: | Jazon: Ill help you tonight with it |
| 03:34:56 | Jazon: | lol - ok |
| 03:34:58 | nhv: | you have a bad web meta data record |
| 03:35:00 | timlinux: | Jazon: I can ssh in or something to sort it out |
| 03:35:20 | timlinux: | I thought it was complaining about the keyword metadata |
| 03:35:37 | timlinux: | METADATA |
| 03:35:38 | timlinux: | "wms_title" "QGIS User Community Map Server" |
| 03:35:38 | timlinux: | "wms_onlineresource" "http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&" |
| 03:35:40 | nhv: | post line 16 and 17 |
| 03:35:41 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 03:35:41 | timlinux: | "wms_srs" "EPSG:4326" |
| 03:35:43 | timlinux: | END |
| 03:35:46 | timlinux: | PROJECTION |
| 03:35:49 | timlinux: | "proj=latlong" |
| 03:35:51 | timlinux: | END |
| 03:36:14 | timlinux: | keyword METADATA is on line 17 |
| 03:36:32 | timlinux: | line 16 looks like this: NAME "QGIS User Community Map Server" |
| 03:36:53 | timlinux: | so we gonna make osgplanet fly around our commie users map? |
| 03:36:54 | timlinux: | :- ) |
| 03:39:20 | nhv: | METATDATA wants to be in the WEB object |
| 03:40:04 | sh: | timlinux: cool, your WMS is up! |
| 03:40:13 | sh: | http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&VERSION=1.0.0&Layers=Users |
| 03:40:40 | what_nick: | u know the map part is not standard wms |
| 03:41:04 | what_nick: | use the presetting trick ... they recommend in the WMS hosto |
| 03:41:10 | what_nick: | *howto |
| 03:41:29 | what_nick: | if only i had bandwidth ... |
| 03:41:50 | what_nick: | have a marvellous cubewerx WMS with loads of imagery ... |
| 03:42:04 | nhv: | http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetCapabilities&VERSION=1.1.1 |
| 03:42:05 | sigq: | Title: QGIS User Community Map ServerQGIS User Community Map ServerCountryPolitical ( at qgis.org ) |
| 03:42:10 | nhv: | lots of warnings |
| 03:42:29 | what_nick: | nhv: need metadata for all layers ... |
| 03:42:41 | nhv: | might want to use a relativve URL to the mapfile |
| 03:44:28 | what_nick: | nhv: better practice ... put it in the httpd.conf |
| 03:44:39 | what_nick: | and set the mapfile parameter there ... |
| 03:44:39 | nhv: | yes |
| 03:45:12 | nhv: | but that requires sudo |
| 03:46:04 | what_nick: | make another cgi .... |
| 03:46:13 | what_nick: | and set the parameter there ? |
| 03:46:24 | what_nick: | that's what i did ... |
| 03:46:39 | what_nick: | 2nd suggestion in the howto :p |
| 03:46:50 | nhv: | there are lots of ways this is a separate cgi that uses relative URLs http://planet.sr.unh.edu/MOG/ |
| 03:46:52 | sigq: | Title: MOG MapServer Browse Interface ( at planet.sr.unh.edu ) |
| 03:47:42 | what_nick: | slow link ... |
| 03:47:46 | nhv: | as you can see I don't expose much of my server file system |
| 03:47:50 | nhv: | slow |
| 03:48:15 | what_nick: | yes abs paths are insecure ur right ... |
| 03:48:38 | what_nick: | is there a osgplanet ebuild ? |
| 03:48:45 | what_nick: | feeling lazy ... |
| 03:48:46 | nhv: | no |
| 03:48:58 | nhv: | there is a windows exe :- ) |
| 03:49:03 | what_nick: | and frustrated after a crappy day with ex - ... |
| 03:49:18 | what_nick: | no wondows on laptop ... |
| 03:49:55 | nhv: | soon to be a Mac package but I think Nix wil always be source only |
| 03:50:07 | what_nick: | damn ... |
| 03:50:09 | nhv: | has there are so many dependencies |
| 03:50:29 | nhv: | until a packager steps forward |
| 03:50:30 | what_nick: | ebuild can handle that easy ... |
| 03:50:41 | : | * timlinux returns |
| 03:50:45 | what_nick: | mmm |
| 03:50:50 | : | * nhv thinks a volunteer just steped forward |
| 03:50:52 | timlinux: | how come it works all of a suddent |
| 03:50:59 | timlinux: | unless it was working all along.... |
| 03:51:00 | what_nick: | half stepped ... |
| 03:51:30 | : | * timlinux is confused |
| 03:51:41 | : | * nhv always confused |
| 03:51:53 | nhv: | gremlins |
| 03:53:19 | timlinux: | ok I moved metadata into web section and now it parses without error |
| 03:54:19 | timlinux: | sh: try that again |
| 03:54:29 | timlinux: | I havent made metadata for each layer yet though |
| 03:55:02 | timlinux: | actually I dont understand how it was working for sh before |
| 03:55:02 | nhv: | I think you need a projection object in the map section |
| 03:55:20 | timlinux: | there is one |
| 03:55:28 | timlinux: | PROJECTION |
| 03:55:28 | timlinux: | "proj=latlong" |
| 03:55:29 | timlinux: | END |
| 03:55:30 | nhv: | or else you need to put a projection object in each layer |
| 03:55:34 | nhv: | cool |
| 03:55:38 | timlinux: | ah |
| 03:55:42 | timlinux: | Ill do that |
| 03:57:31 | nhv: | http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/docs/howto/wms_server/#setup-a-mapfile-for-your-wms |
| 03:57:33 | sigq: | Title: WMS Servers with MapServer UMN MapServer ( at mapserver.gis.umn.edu ) |
| 03:57:48 | nhv: | very handy doc |
| 03:59:01 | timlinux: | nhv: done that |
| 03:59:10 | nhv: | :- ) |
| 03:59:19 | timlinux: | nhv: yup I read that once :- ) |
| 03:59:26 | timlinux: | and forgot it mostly again already |
| 03:59:37 | timlinux: | nhv: done that <-- I meant added projection to each layer |
| 03:59:47 | nhv: | need to add wms_title to your layers meta data yet |
| 04:00:05 | nhv: | to get rid of <!-- WARNING: Mandatory metadata 'wms_title' was missing in this context. --> |
| 04:00:15 | sh: | timlinux: still works |
| 04:00:16 | nhv: | then you will be wrning free |
| 04:00:17 | sh: | http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&VERSION=1.0.0&Layers=Users |
| 04:00:21 | what_nick: | timlinux: and sometime wms projection |
| 04:00:32 | what_nick: | yes works ... with warnings |
| 04:00:38 | what_nick: | still valid xml |
| 04:00:58 | sh: | timlinux: yes, with warmings... |
| 04:01:02 | what_nick: | if i use a client which does not care abt ugly warnings ... |
| 04:01:16 | what_nick: | the layer names are wm_titles |
| 04:01:22 | nhv: | adding wms_projection in layer not mandatory but *strongly* reccomended :- ) |
| 04:01:29 | timlinux: | ok 1 sec |
| 04:01:53 | what_nick: | lol |
| 04:01:54 | timlinux: | one title per layer...? |
| 04:02:07 | nhv: | yes |
| 04:02:29 | nhv: | each layer has a distinct name so that they can be individualy requested |
| 04:02:42 | nhv: | note this is a warning only |
| 04:03:27 | what_nick: | nhv: without that wms_title it defaults to layer name |
| 04:03:36 | what_nick: | to give the layers a title |
| 04:03:49 | nhv: | yes but this is not in the spec |
| 04:04:16 | nhv: | best to get used to writing OGC compliant mapfiles |
| 04:04:38 | what_nick: | yes ... was trying to do as little as possible |
| 04:04:44 | what_nick: | :p |
| 04:05:16 | what_nick: | racing mapserver tifs vs cubewerx oracle... |
| 04:05:29 | nhv: | short cuts have a way of coming back to bite you eg your getcaps response maynot be parsed correctly by cataloging services etc |
| 04:06:25 | what_nick: | ah cataloguing service |
| 04:06:30 | nhv: | the true power of OGC is in that it enables interoperability |
| 04:06:36 | what_nick: | does udig support those ? |
| 04:06:42 | what_nick: | yes yes i know .. |
| 04:06:53 | nhv: | I believe so if not it is certainly in the works |
| 04:07:15 | what_nick: | u have to have jai to have udig rite .. |
| 04:07:47 | timlinux: | ok done |
| 04:08:58 | what_nick: | nhv: ur mog site times out :p |
| 04:09:05 | what_nick: | is ur server up ? |
| 04:09:48 | nhv: | works here |
| 04:09:56 | nhv: | try /MOA/ |
| 04:10:00 | nhv: | same server |
| 04:10:08 | timlinux: | is mine working properly now? |
| 04:10:14 | nhv: | u might appreciate that one more |
| 04:11:54 | nhv: | Tim you can test it yourself |
| 04:12:07 | timlinux: | nhv: does libwms give some cli tools for looking at a wms server? |
| 04:12:25 | timlinux: | nhv: Im trying to twiddle my kwl file |
| 04:12:29 | nhv: | yes |
| 04:12:32 | timlinux: | it wont work in qgis :-( |
| 04:12:41 | nhv: | http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetCapabilities&VERSION=1.1.1 |
| 04:12:42 | sigq: | Title: QGIS User Community Map ServerQGIS User Community Map ServerCountriesPolitical Boundaries ( VMAP )Built up areas ( VMAP ) ( at qgis.org ) |
| 04:12:44 | timlinux: | prolly my fault or summat |
| 04:13:18 | timlinux: | nhv: what command must I use with that? |
| 04:15:11 | timlinux: | nhv: what is the char for a comment in kwl? |
| 04:18:02 | timlinux: | erk |
| 04:18:13 | timlinux: | will the real nhv please stand up? |
| 04:18:31 | nhv_: | bloody DSL hiccuped |
| 04:19:18 | nhv_: | happens a couple a times a day recently |
| 04:20:43 | nhv_: | it is really wierd in that lifting my phone off the receiver I get computer white noise until I hang up and lift it off again too |
| 04:21:10 | nhv_: | then a minute or so later DSL reestablishes its self |
| 04:21:15 | timlinux: | ah |
| 04:21:18 | timlinux: | archive0.type: wms |
| 04:21:18 | timlinux: | archive0.server: http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?MAP=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Countries |
| 04:21:19 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 04:21:20 | what_nick: | need better filter ... |
| 04:21:21 | timlinux: | archive0.cache_dir: /tmp/cache |
| 04:21:23 | timlinux: | archive0.transparent_color: 0 0 0 |
| 04:21:26 | timlinux: | archive0.opacity: 255 |
| 04:21:31 | timlinux: | does that look like a reasonable kwl file? |
| 04:21:43 | what_nick: | nhv: adsl or adsl2/s+ |
| 04:21:48 | what_nick: | *2+ |
| 04:22:07 | nhv_: | tim that looks ok need to make your cache dir |
| 04:22:13 | timlinux: | ah |
| 04:22:28 | nhv_: | need a sparate cache dir for each kwl file |
| 04:22:58 | nhv_: | need to figure aout a better way to handle cache dirs |
| 04:23:14 | nhv_: | there is an experimental method in the qt version |
| 04:23:31 | timlinux: | doesnt show anyting on earth though :-( |
| 04:24:19 | nhv_: | I will play play in a couple of minutes |
| 04:24:28 | nhv_: | with your kwl file |
| 04:25:45 | timlinux: | ok |
| 04:25:56 | timlinux: | Im gonna take my lunch break and run the dog.... |
| 04:26:00 | timlinux: | back in a wee while |
| 04:26:23 | timlinux: | sh: how / where are you using the qgis wms ( just for interest sake ) |
| 04:30:51 | nhv_: | tim Garrett just moved osgplanet_qt into the public CVS |
| 05:30:50 | sh: | timlinux: working on a grass-user-map and thought of including a QGIS-user map... |
| 05:33:50 | timlinux: | sh: cool :- ) |
| 05:34:58 | timlinux: | nhv: I can see users on my planet! |
| 05:35:09 | timlinux: | nhv: is it possible to get labelling too? |
| 05:35:18 | timlinux: | oh there it is! |
| 05:38:47 | timlinux: | is there any restriction on the wms_title format? |
| 05:38:57 | timlinux: | "Global Boundaries ( VMAP )" <-- is that an acceptable layer name? |
| 05:41:49 | sh: | timlinux: I get a map, when using the browser, but when using shp2img with the mapfile-snippet, I get a curl error. any mapserver-guru has an idea? |
| 05:42:03 | sh: | LAYER |
| 05:42:03 | sh: | CONNECTION " http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&" |
| 05:42:04 | sh: | CONNECTIONTYPE WMS |
| 05:42:04 | sh: | METADATA |
| 05:42:04 | sh: | "wms_srs" "EPSG:4326" |
| 05:42:04 | sh: | "wms_format" "image/png" |
| 05:42:04 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 05:42:06 | sh: | "wms_title" "Users" |
| 05:42:08 | sh: | "wms_onlineresource" "http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&" |
| 05:42:10 | sh: | "wms_server_version" "1.1.0" |
| 05:42:12 | sh: | "wms_name" "Users" |
| 05:42:14 | sh: | END |
| 05:42:16 | sh: | NAME "QGIS-Users" |
| 05:42:26 | sh: | SIZEUNITS PIXELS |
| 05:42:28 | sh: | STATUS ON |
| 05:42:30 | sh: | TEMPLATE "ttt" |
| 05:42:32 | sh: | TOLERANCE 0 |
| 05:42:34 | sh: | TOLERANCEUNITS PIXELS |
| 05:42:36 | sh: | TYPE POLYGON |
| 05:42:38 | sh: | UNITS METERS |
| 05:42:40 | sh: | END |
| 05:44:21 | what_nick: | damn nhv is the guru |
| 05:44:33 | what_nick: | what is the curl error ? |
| 05:44:44 | sh: | what_nick: wait, |
| 05:45:21 | sh: | what_nick: HTTP: request failed with curl error code 1 ( Unsupported protocol: http ) for http://www.qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Users&REQUEST=GetMap&SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image%2Fpng&STYLES=&HEIGHT=600&QUERY_LAYERS=Users&VERSION=1.1.0&SRS=EPSG:4326&WIDTH=600&BBOX=%2D180%2C%2D180%2C180%2C180&TRANSPARENT=TRUE&EXCEPTIONS=application/vnd.ogc.se_inimageMon Jan 23 15:46:04 2006 - msHTTPExecuteRequests( ): |
| 05:46:01 | what_nick: | http is not a supported curl protocol |
| 05:46:08 | what_nick: | that's nuts .... |
| 05:46:21 | what_nick: | *throws up hands* |
| 05:46:24 | timlinux: | try remove the leading space |
| 05:46:36 | timlinux: | --> " http: |
| 05:47:15 | timlinux: | --> "http: <-- better |
| 05:47:27 | sh: | timlinux: yep, you rock! now it works :- ) Is this a bug or a feature :-/ |
| 05:47:47 | timlinux: | @faq COD |
| 05:47:47 | sigq: | timlinux: There is no FAQ named COD |
| 05:47:48 | what_nick: | feature |
| 05:47:51 | timlinux: | @faq cod |
| 05:47:51 | sigq: | timlinux: Crash-on-demand. A Feature not a Bug. |
| 05:48:12 | what_nick: | @lart sh |
| 05:48:12 | : | * sigq smacks sh about the head with a smelly trout |
| 05:48:19 | what_nick: | @lart what_nick |
| 05:48:20 | : | * sigq pokes what_nick with a dog eared copy of 'The international guide to Morris Dancing' |
| 05:48:38 | timlinux: | hope you guys are enjoying my larts :- ) |
| 05:48:51 | : | * timlinux must sit down and think up some more one day :- ) |
| 05:48:52 | what_nick: | timlinux: thanks |
| 05:49:13 | what_nick: | timlinux: my ex -gf went nuts at me today |
| 05:49:26 | what_nick: | will pick some up from her emails |
| 05:49:40 | sh: | timlinux: this is very IRC-specific though... |
| 05:56:09 | timlinux: | what_nick: heh...as long as wee dont fighten our visitors too much :-P |
| 05:57:02 | what_nick: | :p |
| 05:57:16 | what_nick: | @abuse ex-gf |
| 05:57:16 | sigq: | what_nick: Error: "abuse" is not a valid command. |
| 05:57:25 | what_nick: | @Abuse ex-gf |
| 05:57:25 | sigq: | what_nick: Error: "Abuse" is not a valid command. |
| 05:57:31 | what_nick: | @help |
| 05:57:31 | sigq: | what_nick: ( help [<plugin>] [<command>] ) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 05:57:32 | timlinux: | @insult |
| 05:57:32 | sigq: | You are nothing but a vain pile of petrified urine. |
| 05:57:44 | what_nick: | @insult ex-gf |
| 05:57:44 | sigq: | ex-gf - You are nothing but a bawdy pile of unintelligent squirrel. |
| 05:57:50 | what_nick: | yey |
| 05:58:01 | what_nick: | @lsit |
| 05:58:01 | sigq: | what_nick: Error: "lsit" is not a valid command. |
| 05:58:06 | timlinux: | what_nick: not that I am endorsing you insulting your loved ones mind you..... |
| 05:58:08 | what_nick: | @list |
| 05:58:08 | sigq: | what_nick: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Factoids, Faq, Google, Insult, Karma, Lart, Math, Misc, Network, News, Owner, Praise, RSS, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Sourceforge, Time, URL, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web |
| 05:58:25 | what_nick: | previously loved ones ... |
| 05:58:38 | timlinux: | nhv_: help |
| 05:59:19 | nhv_: | tim I lost DSL again help with what ?? |
| 05:59:22 | : | * spatialguru is back. |
| 05:59:38 | timlinux: | archive0.type: wms |
| 05:59:38 | timlinux: | archive0.server: http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?MAP=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Countries,Users,Global Boundaries ( VMAP ),Rivers ( VMAP ),Roads ( VMAP ),Coastlines ( VMAP ),Major Cities,General City Points,Political Boundaries ( VMAP ),Gazetteer |
| 05:59:39 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 05:59:42 | timlinux: | archive0.cache_dir: /tmp/cache |
| 05:59:44 | timlinux: | archive0.transparent_color: 0 0 0 |
| 05:59:47 | timlinux: | archive0.opacity: 255 |
| 05:59:49 | timlinux: | i only see user dots |
| 05:59:51 | timlinux: | --- |
| 05:59:53 | timlinux: | nothing else |
| 05:59:54 | what_nick: | nhv_:invest in a better line filter ? |
| 06:00:28 | nhv_: | one minute |
| 06:01:12 | timlinux: | Recording camera animation, press 'z' to finish recording. |
| 06:01:12 | timlinux: | finished recording camera animation, press 'Z' to replay. |
| 06:01:13 | timlinux: | Saved camera animation to 'saved_animation.path' |
| 06:01:39 | timlinux: | is that path ile convertable into anything like mpg4? |
| 06:01:47 | timlinux: | file |
| 06:01:53 | timlinux: | hi spatialguru |
| 06:03:31 | spatialguru: | hi timlinux |
| 06:04:33 | : | * spatialguru is away: work |
| 06:08:57 | timlinux: | http://linux-gis.co.uk/html_old/svg_new_vs_old.jpg |
| 06:10:30 | timlinux: | nhv_: I suspect its a scale issue |
| 06:10:36 | timlinux: | and a layer ordering issue |
| 06:10:49 | timlinux: | if i zoom in quite close extra data seems to appear |
| 06:24:00 | timlinux: | nhv_: hehe now there are three of you :-P |
| 06:26:04 | timlinux: | make that 2 |
| 06:47:31 | nhv__: | archive0.type: background_wms |
| 06:47:32 | nhv__: | archive0.server: http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?MAP=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Country,Political,Boundaries,Rivers,Roads,Coastlines,Cities_01,Cities_02,Users |
| 06:47:34 | nhv__: | archive0.cache_dir: ./qgis |
| 06:47:35 | nhv__: | archive0.transparent_color: 0 0 0 |
| 06:47:35 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 06:47:37 | nhv__: | archive0.opacity: 255 |
| 06:47:56 | nhv__: | Tim clean your cache dir and try that kwl file |
| 06:48:24 | nhv__: | you want to use layer name not layer title |
| 06:48:53 | nhv__: | for the WMS GetMap Request |
| 06:49:25 | nhv__: | BTW this makes a nice globe :- ) |
| 07:10:00 | timlinux: | nhv: finally I got it working |
| 07:10:04 | timlinux: | thanks for the help! |
| 07:11:28 | : | * nhv thinks that tim is probably dreaming of ways to use this interface to his data now :- ) |
| 07:16:48 | timlinux: | nhv: does it download each layer separately and composit them from the cache? |
| 07:17:11 | timlinux: | I mean if a new user is added to the map, will the cache 'know' |
| 07:17:18 | nhv: | no since this is one layer in the Planet KWL file |
| 07:17:24 | nhv: | no |
| 07:17:43 | nhv: | you can male the user layer a separate layer |
| 07:18:10 | nhv: | but I prefer to do everything server side |
| 07:18:29 | nhv: | oh did you see my post about osgplanet_qt being available |
| 07:18:35 | timlinux: | nhv: yes! |
| 07:18:48 | timlinux: | will build it tongiht |
| 07:18:51 | nhv: | I thnk you will prefer this interface |
| 07:19:26 | nhv: | this is also minimalistic and is mostly a proof of concept |
| 07:19:51 | nhv: | so ideas feedback etc welcome |
| 07:20:14 | nhv: | feedback best sent to the list of course |
| 07:21:40 | timlinux: | nhv: right |
| 07:22:08 | : | * timlinux immediate thought is to schtick the widget into qgis as a 3d globe control |
| 07:22:57 | nhv: | he he |
| 07:23:24 | timlinux: | nhv: I just wonder how best to server up qgis layers into it |
| 07:23:41 | nhv: | that would increase the number of dependencies considerably :- ) |
| 07:23:45 | timlinux: | ya |
| 07:23:55 | timlinux: | we would need som big time configure options |
| 07:24:14 | timlinux: | ./configure --with-kitchen-sink |
| 07:24:20 | nhv: | I would like to see QGIS be able t function as a WMS |
| 07:24:33 | timlinux: | right that seems the simplest |
| 07:30:32 | karlwrk_: | what do you mean by "as a WMS" ? |
| 07:30:56 | karlwrk_: | as a WMS compliant server? or just as a decent client of WMS service offerings? |
| 07:31:17 | nhv: | both |
| 07:32:30 | karlwrk_: | so what, you fire up qgis and leave it running with it's gui and people connect to it to get WMS presentations? |
| 07:32:32 | timlinux: | http://linux-gis.co.uk/html_old/osg_planet.jpg <-- snapshot my desktop with osgPlanet scrolling by in the root window as I work |
| 07:32:36 | karlwrk_: | taht seems like a poor application of qgis to me |
| 07:32:54 | karlwrk_: | I fully support the idea that a qigs project should be exportable to a wms server |
| 07:33:10 | karlwrk_: | but qgis being the wms server seems odd to me |
| 07:33:36 | nhv: | expoting would be fine :- ) |
| 07:34:20 | nhv: | but it just a very small step from drawing for the screen to drawing to a socket :- ) |
| 07:34:40 | karlwrk_: | I disagree |
| 07:35:00 | nhv: | it is the parsing of the Request that is tough |
| 07:35:14 | karlwrk_: | this is where the factores of libqgis_* might be useful, |
| 07:35:17 | timlinux: | karlwrk_: when qgis is split into core and gui libs probably |
| 07:35:31 | timlinux: | it is / was my plan to have a qgis server component |
| 07:35:46 | timlinux: | for one Id like to remotely execute plugins |
| 07:35:49 | karlwrk_: | but still, what would the motivation be? what what a qgis server component actually be? |
| 07:35:50 | CIA-15: | rblazek * r4726 /trunk/qgis/acinclude.m4: fix for crosscompilation |
| 07:35:54 | karlwrk_: | remoting plugins is one thing |
| 07:36:08 | karlwrk_: | but reimplementing mapserver seems like a miuse of resources |
| 07:36:21 | timlinux: | karlwrk_: perhaps |
| 07:37:22 | nhv: | if QGIS draws to an offscreen location then blits teh completed image to the screen then implmenting a network interface to the offscreen buffer is trivial |
| 07:37:59 | nhv: | and offscreen drawing is usually faster then directy drawing to the screen ..... |
| 07:40:12 | timlinux: | also once we start using more and more of the arthur goodies we will have more compelling reasons to present qgis as a server component |
| 07:40:25 | timlinux: | the work cycle of makeing a web map will be much easier: |
| 07:40:31 | timlinux: | open desktop gui |
| 07:40:38 | timlinux: | add layers & set symbology |
| 07:40:40 | timlinux: | save |
| 07:40:48 | timlinux: | deploy as web app |
| 07:40:58 | timlinux: | and get 1:1 fidelity to original app |
| 07:41:14 | timlinux: | which we probably will never get with mapserver exporter |
| 07:41:44 | timlinux: | say mapserver often enough and TylerM is sure to come out of the woodwork |
| 07:42:02 | nhv: | lol |
| 07:46:32 | karlwrk_: | tim: I feel that's a problem with mapserver then. if qgis is going to "deploy as web app" presumably it needs to be some sort of standards based as well, |
| 07:46:43 | karlwrk_: | and if so, surely it's just a matter of making the standard "more standard" |
| 07:49:59 | : | * TylerM waits for the keyword 'foundation' to be uttered... |
| 07:50:32 | timlinux: | osgPlanet rocks! |
| 07:50:48 | TylerM: | timlinux: I try to change the keyword for my IRC wake-up call regularly to help maintain my privacy |
| 07:50:51 | timlinux: | TylerM: have you tried out the nifty new qgis community wms |
| 07:50:59 | TylerM: | yes. tried. |
| 07:51:03 | TylerM: | :[ |
| 07:51:06 | TylerM: | need to troubleshott. |
| 07:51:09 | timlinux: | is osgPlanet? |
| 07:51:20 | timlinux: | I have it working here thanks to nhv |
| 07:51:25 | timlinux: | its stuuuuuuning |
| 07:51:51 | TylerM: | I used it in my youth. : ) |
| 07:52:39 | TylerM: | You should have seen nhv's lightening talk about it. That was great! |
| 07:52:46 | TylerM: | catch you later guys |
| 07:54:02 | : | * nhv warns tim again that osgPlanet has been known to be addictive |
| 07:55:00 | timlinux: | you get lightning in osgPlanet too? |
| 07:55:06 | ritalin: | he done got me hooked on stumbleupon |
| 07:55:10 | ritalin: | i hope he suffers ; ) |
| 07:55:11 | : | * timlinux looks for the knob to turn to make that happen |
| 07:55:19 | timlinux: | ritalin: heh |
| 07:55:37 | nhv: | Tyler was refering to a lightning talk I gave at MUM3 |
| 07:56:07 | nhv: | a collection of 5 minute show and tells to kick off the conference |
| 07:57:34 | nhv: | of course Google Earth was released shortly after Mum so all the oohs and ahs have been given to it as it is more readily accesable for most |
| 07:57:52 | ritalin: | Google Earth rocks |
| 07:58:14 | ritalin: | they need a linux client though |
| 07:58:20 | timlinux: | yes its great under linux where I cant use it |
| 07:58:46 | nhv: | but osgPlanet is OpenSource based on OGC standards and runs on any platform that supports OpenGL ..... :- ) |
| 07:58:47 | timlinux: | nhv: yup I got the lightning bit |
| 07:59:03 | timlinux: | I prefer the osgPlanet user interface to google earth |
| 07:59:04 | nhv: | we could add lightning though :- ) |
| 07:59:29 | timlinux: | I always maintained that the perfect user interface was no user interface |
| 07:59:32 | ritalin: | is it real images though? |
| 07:59:38 | ritalin: | i like to stalk people with google earth |
| 07:59:46 | timlinux: | where you interactdirectly with the entity |
| 07:59:54 | nhv: | We spent a lot of time getting the motion to be appropriate for the altitude |
| 07:59:55 | timlinux: | which osgPlanet achieves perfectly |
| 08:00:31 | nhv: | hopefully the speed varies by altitude intuitively |
| 08:00:37 | timlinux: | yup |
| 08:00:57 | nhv: | this was tricky |
| 08:00:59 | timlinux: | Ive been letting it scroll around on its own - hopefully building up my cache |
| 08:01:09 | nhv: | it should do that |
| 08:01:29 | timlinux: | I didnt really understand you well when you answered my caching question earlier |
| 08:01:36 | timlinux: | does it caceh each layer independently |
| 08:01:48 | timlinux: | or the rendered composite of all enabled layers? |
| 08:01:55 | nhv: | that kwl file has only one layer |
| 08:02:09 | timlinux: | ok so thats what it cahces |
| 08:02:20 | timlinux: | so ideally I should put users into its own layer |
| 08:02:23 | nhv: | eg it is requesting that the server mak a tile with all the layers in that request |
| 08:02:25 | timlinux: | as that changes |
| 08:02:34 | nhv: | that could work |
| 08:02:35 | timlinux: | and the rest are static |
| 08:02:53 | timlinux: | I spose I have to delete my cache every time I do that... |
| 08:03:04 | timlinux: | hi isaac_n00b_ |
| 08:03:18 | nhv: | what we really want to do is implemnet a WFS client for that type of data and have Planet render the points after the background layers |
| 08:03:41 | nhv: | yes you will need to delete your cache currently |
| 08:03:45 | timlinux: | right |
| 08:04:02 | timlinux: | it would be nice to have the points as 3d extruded features |
| 08:04:12 | timlinux: | possibly as little human figurines |
| 08:04:31 | nhv: | these thngs are all possible we have sort of been hoping that interested parties might fund some Planet Development |
| 08:04:54 | nhv: | eg you can only do so much |
| 08:04:56 | timlinux: | archive0.type: background_wms |
| 08:04:57 | timlinux: | archive0.server: http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?MAP=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Users |
| 08:04:58 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 08:04:59 | timlinux: | archive0.server: http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?MAP=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Country,Political,Boundaries,Rivers,Roads,Coastlines,Cities_01,Cities_02 |
| 08:05:00 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 08:05:02 | timlinux: | archive0.cache_dir: /home/aps02ts/dev/cpp/ossim_cvs/QGIS_users_cache archive0.transparent_color: 0 0 0 |
| 08:05:06 | timlinux: | archive0.opacity: 255 |
| 08:05:09 | timlinux: | is that valid |
| 08:05:12 | timlinux: | or do I need to define 2 archives? |
| 08:05:18 | nhv: | 2 layers |
| 08:05:31 | nhv: | but there are some issues |
| 08:05:38 | nhv: | which you will see |
| 08:05:54 | nhv: | you can only have one backgorund layer too |
| 08:06:08 | nhv: | archive1.type wms |
| 08:06:08 | : | * timlinux goes to look for the docs again |
| 08:06:33 | TylerM: | yeah, nhv prepared to not be too impressed with google earth : ) |
| 08:07:09 | nhv: | archive1.type: background_wms |
| 08:07:11 | nhv: | archive1.server: http://qgis.org/cgi-bin/mapserv?MAP=/data/tim/www/community.qgis.org/maps/main.map&LAYERS=Users |
| 08:07:12 | sigq: | Title: Quantum GIS Users Around the World ( at qgis.org ) |
| 08:07:12 | nhv: | archive1.cache_dir: ./qgis |
| 08:07:14 | nhv: | archive1.transparent_color: 0 0 0 |
| 08:07:15 | nhv: | archive1.opacity: 255 |
| 08:07:31 | timlinux: | nhv: is the numering significant? |
| 08:07:35 | timlinux: | or the ordering in the file? |
| 08:07:36 | nhv: | and take the Users out of the achive0.server |
| 08:07:49 | nhv: | both |
| 08:08:06 | nhv: | er not really sure I think it is the number |
| 08:08:21 | nhv: | been a while since I worked with that code |
| 08:08:49 | : | * timlinux is testing now |
| 08:09:03 | nhv: | the wms_background layer will be rendere first and the other layers by their numbeering I think |
| 08:09:12 | timlinux: | right# |
| 08:09:36 | nhv: | this will be slower in that you need to make to web requests |
| 08:09:45 | nhv: | and the layers have to be merged |
| 08:10:06 | nhv: | this is why I prefer to do all layering on the server ideally running locally |
| 08:11:49 | timlinux: | right |
| 08:39:20 | juddtaylor: | any postgis users in here? |
| 08:39:59 | timlinux: | juddtaylor: hi |
| 08:40:05 | timlinux: | juddtaylor: there are a few |
| 08:40:29 | juddtaylor: | hi timlinux |
| 08:41:09 | timlinux: | what you need help on ( cant promise Ill know the answer though... ) |
| 08:41:11 | juddtaylor: | I'm wondering what tools people use for design and admin of their postgis databases. |
| 08:41:16 | timlinux: | oh |
| 08:41:19 | timlinux: | I use psql |
| 08:41:36 | timlinux: | and occasionally pgadminIII |
| 08:41:51 | juddtaylor: | I like mysql 'cos it's got a lot og great design and admin tools, but it's not too hot spatially |
| 08:42:14 | timlinux: | psql is actually pretty powerful admininterface |
| 08:42:29 | timlinux: | unless you *must* have a gui.... |
| 08:42:49 | timlinux: | there is also phpPgAdmin |
| 08:42:58 | timlinux: | though I havent looked at that for a few years |
| 08:43:13 | juddtaylor: | what about design tools? I use DBDesigner primarliy |
| 08:44:41 | timlinux: | never used dbdesigner - screenshots look nice |
| 08:45:02 | timlinux: | honestly Ive never really looked too hard for design tools |
| 08:45:15 | timlinux: | I tend to do the old create table.... way |
| 08:45:39 | timlinux: | and jot my schema down on a piece of paper if I have to |
| 08:45:55 | timlinux: | I saw a russian qt based postgis designer app once |
| 08:45:55 | juddtaylor: | I can prototype and test with DBdesigner really easily, but I'd like to be able to test the geo funcs as well at this stage. |
| 08:45:59 | timlinux: | but it was non OS |
| 08:46:37 | juddtaylor: | I'm working on a DB that's probably too complicated for paper ( I don't have enough erasers around my office ) |
| 08:46:39 | timlinux: | I think if you do find a pg designer its also unlikely to have much in the way of postgis support |
| 08:46:44 | timlinux: | heh |
| 08:47:23 | timlinux: | when my db gets complicated in postgres I usually break it up acreoss a few schemas |
| 08:47:36 | juddtaylor: | It's a slightly scaled down version of several huge sat databases... hang on a sec for a link to some of their schema's... |
| 08:49:10 | juddtaylor: | the MODAPS database is a big influence: see http://mo1.nascom.nasa.gov:8100/doc/Design/DatabaseModel/PDM_Report/diagram_MODAPS_System.html |
| 08:49:12 | sigq: | Title: Modaps ( at mo1.nascom.nasa.gov:8100 ) |
| 08:52:12 | juddtaylor: | The trick is, I'm really the only one on this project, so being able to manage and build it quickly is almost more important than it working : ) |
| 08:52:37 | juddtaylor: | and so far postgis seems like a pain. Does it get better over time? |
| 08:52:59 | juddtaylor: | or does one need to eliminate other knowledge to make room for all of that? |
| 08:53:58 | timlinux: | juddtaylor: wow |
| 08:54:03 | timlinux: | thats some schema |
| 08:54:26 | timlinux: | juddtaylor: Im a great fan os postgresql |
| 08:54:28 | timlinux: | of |
| 08:54:34 | juddtaylor: | MODAPS is a big pork project, so it's a little too complicated, but they had to figure out how to spend 100's of millions on it! |
| 08:54:51 | timlinux: | I dropped mysq in favour of postgresql about 5 years back |
| 08:54:57 | timlinux: | and have been happy as a clam since |
| 08:55:03 | timlinux: | though Im no guru on it |
| 08:55:12 | timlinux: | its pretty easy to get along with |
| 08:55:17 | timlinux: | and the docs are very good |
| 08:55:21 | juddtaylor: | My db isn't that bad, but I've probably already got 50 tables... |
| 08:55:31 | juddtaylor: | that's good to hear |
| 08:55:53 | : | * huhabla woke up by reading "100's of millions" :o |
| 08:56:05 | timlinux: | the only issues Ive ever really had is that sometimes my dumps dump function calls before the dependent function is actually defined |
| 08:56:15 | timlinux: | making restoring the backup a bit of a fiddle |
| 08:56:31 | timlinux: | though that may be remidied in pg8 now |
| 08:56:39 | timlinux: | which I havent used very much yet |
| 08:56:55 | juddtaylor: | BTW, I'm not really a DB guy, I just need a DB and I'm not afraid to jump into things... |
| 08:57:39 | juddtaylor: | Do you use pg for general databases or just GIS stuff? |
| 09:02:52 | juddtaylor: | here's a link to the schema I'm working on. Just ignore the stuff in yellow, as that will mostly change or disappear... http://modis.marine.usf.edu/images/ProductDatabaseModel.png |
| 09:05:11 | timlinux: | juddtaylor: I use pg for three things 1 ) web facing databases with php frontends, 2 ) geodatabasing with postgis and 3 ) general data storage for use with analytical tools |
| 09:06:58 | TylerM: | hi juddtaylor i use postgis a fair bit, but more as an operational GIS tool. |
| 09:07:19 | TylerM: | An hence not a lot of complex data modelling going on... |
| 09:07:25 | TylerM: | even if I had tools to help do that! |
| 09:07:47 | TylerM: | We have need for some good web based tools though, so will have to dig into that at some point. |
| 09:10:23 | timlinux: | juddtaylor: there is a chap call baw who comes onto this channel who is a real db guru |
| 09:10:58 | timlinux: | and gavin....they use postgres to store telemtry data on fishing surveys |
| 09:11:20 | juddtaylor: | good info. I'll have to take another look at pg, and keep an eye for the others |
| 09:11:57 | karlwrk_: | all it really comes down to is do you want to do spatial analysis IN the db, or out of the db |
| 09:12:17 | karlwrk_: | ie, tie your product to a specific DB, or tie it to some specific extra SW |
| 09:12:26 | karlwrk_: | there's good motivation for both |
| 09:12:54 | juddtaylor: | karlwrk_: exactly. I had been planning on doing it outside, but that may be more work that switching to a database that can do some of that for me. |
| 09:13:07 | TylerM: | at least with postgis you can tie it to simple features for SQL OGC spec and not to some proprietary model. |
| 09:13:15 | karlwrk_: | well, those are _your_ design decisions I'm afraid : ) |
| 09:13:34 | TylerM: | so it's somewhat abstracted |
| 09:14:11 | juddtaylor: | My thinking now it that if I can't find any good design proto tools for pg, then I'll do that in my, and the implement the polished DB in pg... |
| 09:14:56 | TylerM: | We sometimes do up stuff in Access and then shove it into pg...not perfect, but good for some of the noobs |
| 09:15:10 | juddtaylor: | ...but that leaves testing the geo features to the very end. |
| 09:16:38 | TylerM: | guess so |
| 09:17:00 | juddtaylor: | TylerM: I'm not DB expert, but I'm not interested in Access for anything. I stay away from microsoft at all costs : ) |
| 09:17:11 | TylerM: | Our GIS dept handles the spatial side, while other depts are shoving the tabular stuff in however they can : ) |
| 09:17:14 | TylerM: | good plan! |
| 09:17:30 | juddtaylor: | I apparantly can't type either... sorry for all fo the tpyo's : ) |
| 09:19:26 | TylerM: | I think your typing is great "stay away from microsoft at all costs" came across very clearly |
| 09:19:55 | juddtaylor: | I double checked that one : ) I don't want to be misquoted on that! |
| 09:20:42 | juddtaylor: | brb |
| 09:28:16 | nhv: | karlwrk_ most of the 'enterprise level' DB design tools have a postgres back end |
| 09:28:41 | : | * nhv never knows what is menat by a DB design tool |
| 09:29:06 | juddtaylor: | how about the el-cheapo OS tools? I don't have enterprise $$ :( |
| 09:30:02 | juddtaylor: | I like to do GUI design... setup tables, relations, etc, and then export/sync up to the real database. It's also nice to save the model directly into the database as well. |
| 09:30:13 | karlwrk_: | enterprise isn't always $$$ |
| 09:30:30 | juddtaylor: | I though that was the definition : ) |
| 09:30:35 | karlwrk_: | enterprise architect is pretty cheap, though I've not used the db design tools |
| 09:30:50 | juddtaylor: | I've been in on too many enterprise "software architecture" seminars, I suppose : ) |
| 09:30:51 | karlwrk_: | I tend to take the opinion that if your db design can't be done on an a4 piece of paper, it's not one database |
| 09:31:02 | nhv: | I find this *very* useful pgadminhttp://www.pgadmin.org/ |
| 09:31:05 | sigq: | Title: pgAdmin III: PostgreSQL administration and management tools ( at www.pgadmin.org ) |
| 09:31:54 | nhv: | and keep meaning to look into this http://sqlobject.org/ |
| 09:31:58 | sigq: | Title: SQLObject ( at sqlobject.org ) |
| 09:34:24 | juddtaylor: | sqlobject looks interesting, but unfort. it's py not perl ( I consider myself a perl guru, so I use that ) |
| 09:35:01 | juddtaylor: | I used pgadmin a couple of times, but I didn't really see much for design ( aka CASE tools ). |
| 09:35:33 | juddtaylor: | nhv: check out the DBDesigner screenshots for the sort of thing to which I'm addicted |
| 09:35:56 | juddtaylor: | http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/ |
| 09:36:17 | sigq: | Title: fabFORCE.net ( at fabforce.net ) |
| 09:37:35 | karlwrk_: | why does the language bother you judd? |
| 09:37:43 | karlwrk_: | also, anyone that can use perl can use python |
| 09:38:31 | juddtaylor: | karlwrk_: py is not good for numerics ( too slow ), so I don't use it. That's where most of my code is. |
| 09:39:08 | juddtaylor: | I'm not against python, but I use perl, and can do anything under the sun with it, so I do. |
| 09:39:59 | juddtaylor: | The sqlobj tool looks neat, but it doesn't look like a GUI, and my interal DB API is already mostly finished in perl |
| 09:40:01 | nhv: | yikes the Numeric Python extensions are quite fast |
| 09:40:41 | karlwrk_: | judd: that doesn't really explain why youre complaining abotu sqlobject based purely on it being python |
| 09:40:46 | nhv: | but understood that monks don't do Python :- ) |
| 09:41:26 | karlwrk_: | I don't even know what it is, it just seemed an overly general blanket statement for something that should merely be a third party tool : ) |
| 09:41:39 | juddtaylor: | I use PDL ( the Perl Data Language ), and I can get C/Fortran speeds. PDL get's a lot of py users who think numpy is way too slow. I can't speak from personal experience, but that happens alot... |
| 09:42:00 | nhv: | dbdesigner looks like a decent GUI for DB design if you want a GUI instead of code :- ) |
| 09:42:16 | karlwrk_: | if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad, as I always say |
| 09:42:25 | nhv: | it depends on how you use the tool |
| 09:42:58 | nhv: | poorly written python can be quite slow |
| 09:43:07 | nhv: | on the other hand ...... |
| 09:43:28 | karlwrk_: | so can poorly wrtten asm |
| 09:43:30 | juddtaylor: | SQLobject looks like a phyton OO API to a pg database. The tables are represented by objects accessible from python. So if I use perl... I can't get to the objects very easily. |
| 09:43:35 | nhv: | you can genearlly get things to run at close to C speed |
| 09:44:01 | : | * timlinux goes to spend some time on couch with wifey.....catch youall later.... |
| 09:44:10 | nhv: | right I a msure there are Perl front ends to PG I just am not famiiar with Perl tools |
| 09:44:34 | juddtaylor: | I'm waaay to deep in perl/PDL to even thing about switching, but I appreciate the pythangelical effort : ) |
| 09:44:53 | juddtaylor: | think I mean |
| 09:45:03 | karlwrk_: | from your description of sqlobjects your statement makes more sense : ) |
| 09:45:18 | karlwrk_: | I was under the impression from when it was suggested that itwas simply a third party tool for design |
| 09:45:34 | karlwrk_: | which is why I questioned the rapid rejection based on implementation |
| 09:46:25 | juddtaylor: | Well, I didn't see screenshots, and just saw python code examples. I put 2 and 2 together... |
| 09:46:47 | karlwrk_: | ( I've nto even typed it into google : ) |
| 09:48:12 | juddtaylor: | The perl DB access tools can sometimes be annoying, but they're pretty simple to use. I wouldn't mind OO access to tables, but I can live without it. |
| 09:49:44 | karlwrk_: | have you seen class::dbi? |
| 09:50:02 | karlwrk_: | it will solv emost of those problems for you |
| 09:50:24 | juddtaylor: | nhv: any code in an interpreted language is "dangerous" as far as speed goes. One false move and you loop in the interpreter, and perf goes down the drain. The same goes for PDL |
| 09:50:37 | karlwrk_: | also, spatial freaks such as you guys may find this somewhat interesting: http://users.livejournal.com/_pussylover_/16198.html |
| 09:50:43 | sigq: | Title: _pussylover_: Felici Varini — художник, котор‹й опровергает перспективу ( at users.livejournal.com ) |
| 09:50:59 | juddtaylor: | kaelwrk_: haven't looked at it, but I will. |
| 09:51:23 | juddtaylor: | from the name of that link... I'll have to wait to take a look at it when I'm not at work... |
| 09:51:34 | karlwrk_: | judd: actually, you don't |
| 09:51:55 | karlwrk_: | it's completely and utterly work safe |
| 09:52:02 | karlwrk_: | ( I expected it to not be either ) |
| 09:53:45 | juddtaylor: | too bad I can't read russian. Were the overlays added to the images by software, or are the walls painted? |
| 09:54:13 | : | * karlwrk_ shrugs |
| 09:54:30 | karlwrk_: | the last person who commented on that link also immediately asked if it was done in software |
| 09:54:32 | juddtaylor: | maybe it's just MC Echer's house? |
| 09:54:38 | karlwrk_: | I don't see any reason to doubt it as being real |
| 09:54:54 | juddtaylor: | Now that I look, I think it's painted. |
| 09:55:11 | juddtaylor: | I think they used a projector to lay out the patterns, and traced with paint |
| 09:55:50 | karlwrk_: | probably, I'd certainly agree with that |
| 09:57:02 | juddtaylor: | If it was software, it would be _really_ _really_ impressive |
| 09:57:34 | juddtaylor: | they'd need to build a 3d model from the images, create the overlay texture, and a FOV |
| 09:58:25 | juddtaylor: | then project the 3dmodel to the FOV origin, and then project the tecture onto than |
| 09:58:49 | juddtaylor: | and then reproject the 3dmodel back to the original FOV ( camera location ), with the texture overlays. |
| 10:00:01 | juddtaylor: | not impossible, but it's certainly not trivial. |
| 10:02:54 | juddtaylor: | I've got to go now, but I appreciate all of the DB advice; Very helpful! Thanks! |
| 12:56:13 | : | * timlinux returns |
| 12:56:21 | timlinux: | hiya morb_au |
| 12:56:38 | timlinux: | morb_au: is wms in head working for you at the moment? |
| 13:56:24 | timlinux: | Jazon: ready for your install? |
| 13:57:29 | Jazon: | timlinux: cool! in a few minutes? just finishing off an ndiswrapper thing... |
| 13:57:44 | timlinux: | k |
| 13:57:47 | timlinux: | just buzz |
| 13:58:00 | Jazon: | hey, do you have a windows box running there by any chance? |
| 13:59:24 | Jazon: | timlinux: you have a windows box running there by any chance? |
| 14:17:13 | timlinux: | Jazon: windows? |
| 14:17:27 | timlinux: | XWindows yes |
| 14:17:37 | timlinux: | BSODWindows no |
| 14:18:14 | Jazon: | lol - i have to extract inf and sys files from a setup.exe to make my wireless work |
| 14:18:23 | Jazon: | wine takes forever.... :s |
| 14:18:31 | Jazon: | almost done now though.... |
| 14:18:37 | timlinux: | k |
| 14:48:32 | Jazon: | timlinux: well, that failed miserably |
| 14:48:42 | Jazon: | timlinux: what a waste of time that was :S |
| 14:49:41 | timlinux: | Jazon: heh |
| 14:49:48 | timlinux: | Jazon: been there done that |
| 14:49:57 | timlinux: | went back to wired networking... |
| 14:50:02 | Jazon: | wireless is NOT easy with linux |
| 14:50:04 | Jazon: | heh |
| 14:50:12 | timlinux: | it is if you have a supported nic |
| 14:50:15 | Jazon: | yeah, i am losing it |
| 14:50:46 | Jazon: | i was supposed to though! I purposely bought this thing because it has atheros card built in |
| 14:51:15 | Jazon: | but the atheros card is too new lol... not in madwifi ( yet i am assured ) |
| 14:51:43 | Jazon: | anyway.... i haven't been able to accomplish much of anything on this thing in a day and a half :s |
| 14:52:32 | Jazon: | I wanted everything set up for tomorrow so that i would be ready for my 3 mth trip and be able to work a bit on my research plans lol |
| 14:52:40 | Jazon: | oh well.... |
| 14:52:57 | Jazon: | so where were we with the installation of qgis? |
| 14:53:37 | Jazon: | timlinux: because it would be nice to get that for tomorrow to show my supervisor... |
| 14:53:58 | timlinux: | sure |
| 14:54:08 | timlinux: | you still have vnc running? |
| 14:54:21 | Jazon: | in a sec i can yes |
| 14:54:28 | Jazon: | gotta open the firewall |
| 14:54:28 | timlinux: | do you have skype? |
| 14:54:31 | Jazon: | yeah |
| 14:54:35 | timlinux: | timlinux |
| 14:54:41 | timlinux: | gimme the details there |
| 14:54:54 | timlinux: | timlinux <-- my skype name |
| 14:56:39 | Jazon: | ok....done |
| 14:59:17 | Jazon: | timlinux: should be ready to go now |
| 15:01:49 | timlinux: | you on skype? |
| 15:02:00 | Jazon: | yeah - i added you |
| 15:02:08 | timlinux: | dont see you |
| 15:02:13 | Jazon: | hrmmm |
| 15:02:20 | Jazon: | tim s right? |
| 15:02:25 | timlinux: | no |
| 15:02:28 | timlinux: | timlinux |
| 15:02:40 | Jazon: | yeah yeah but you show up as tim sutton |
| 15:02:44 | timlinux: | yes |
| 15:02:53 | timlinux: | 1 sec just restarting skype |
| 15:03:06 | Jazon: | k |
| 15:03:32 | timlinux: | no sign of you |
| 15:03:38 | timlinux: | whats your skype name? |
| 15:03:42 | Jazon: | i am arkygeek |
| 16:15:16 | jumpship: | keep on truckin Q Crew! |
| 16:17:40 | timlinux: | jumpship: heh |
| 16:31:52 | timlinux: | hi hobu |
| 16:32:00 | : | * hobu waves |
| 16:32:45 | : | * timlinux pulls out a lazy boy with built in beer cooler in the arm and bids hobu take a seat and make himself at home :-P |
| 16:40:22 | Jazon: | gnite all! thx again timlinux |
| 16:43:34 | timlinux: | no worries |
| 16:45:16 | CIA-15: | timlinux * r4727 /trunk/qgis/images/themes/default/ ( 8 files ): Refinements to icons for consistency and clarity |
| 16:46:09 | hobu: | using 0.7.4 on os x ( pre-built binaries ). How can I have a polygon layer with no outline width? |
| 16:47:37 | timlinux: | hobu: sett eh outline style to nothing |
| 16:47:55 | timlinux: | the rightmost button on the style palette |
| 16:48:09 | timlinux: | hobu: that spin box prolly needs to get set to min 1 |
| 16:48:19 | hobu: | isn't there in a continuous color style though |
| 16:48:31 | timlinux: | oh |
| 16:48:36 | timlinux: | 1 sec |
| 16:49:13 | timlinux: | your right |
| 16:49:31 | timlinux: | Ill have to ask marco if there is a possibility to add that easily |
| 16:49:49 | timlinux: | we are in supposed to be in feature freeze for 0.8 atm |
| 16:49:59 | timlinux: | so may be a while before that becomes available |
| 16:50:23 | hobu: | np. just playing around with qgis tonight. Haven't tried it in a while. It's come a long ways. Nice job! |
| 16:51:51 | timlinux: | hobu: I left a note for marco - hopefully he will sort that out |
| 16:52:12 | timlinux: | I want to redo the whole of that part of the gui anyway |
| 16:52:20 | timlinux: | ...one day |
| 16:56:08 | timlinux: | hobu: I caught your interrogation podcast of spatialguru once....any plans for more podcasts? |
| 16:56:20 | hobu: | yeah. wanna do one ? ; ) |
| 16:56:54 | timlinux: | I wanna do liek TWIOGIS 'This week in open source gis' |
| 16:57:02 | timlinux: | or summink :- ) |
| 16:57:18 | timlinux: | like a ten minute update on whats been going on in the world of FOSS GIS |
| 16:57:35 | timlinux: | Im sure there must be ten min of news per week on that |
| 16:57:43 | timlinux: | even if we have to make some up :- ) |
| 16:58:15 | timlinux: | perhaps get teh veryspatial dudes to include it as a slot in their show |
| 16:58:27 | timlinux: | of course I dont have time to do this |
| 16:58:32 | timlinux: | only inclination... |
| 16:59:07 | hobu: | yep. with infinite time, infinite intelligence, and infinite resources I could do a lot : ) |
| 16:59:29 | hobu: | I do want to do some more FOSS GIS interviews though |
| 16:59:34 | hobu: | people seemed to really like them |
| 17:00:14 | timlinux: | yup |
| 17:00:28 | timlinux: | I was dissapointed when your feed ran dry :-( |
| 17:00:50 | timlinux: | its great for the terminally lazy / time challenged |
| 17:01:09 | timlinux: | to keep up with whats going on without having to read zillions of mailing lists |
| 17:01:25 | hobu: | a couple of feature questions... can I edit a postgis layer, and can I add a WMS layer? |
| 17:01:49 | timlinux: | yes and no |
| 17:02:03 | timlinux: | pg editing is quite basic in 0.7.4 iirc |
| 17:02:10 | timlinux: | wms is coming in 0.8 |
| 17:02:24 | timlinux: | and improved editing |
| 17:02:54 | hobu: | cool. 0.7.4 doesn't like resizing on my mac so well |
| 17:03:18 | hobu: | sorry, resizing the window |
| 17:04:39 | timlinux: | yup thats a feature not a bug |
| 17:04:48 | timlinux: | :-( |
| 17:05:01 | timlinux: | http://linux-gis.co.uk/html_old/svg_new_vs_old.jpg <-- theres a sneak preview of 0.8 |
| 17:05:07 | hobu: | of qgis, or qt4? |
| 17:05:16 | timlinux: | no its a qgis issue I think |
| 17:06:33 | timlinux: | doesnt do it on linux here |
| 17:06:48 | timlinux: | Ill leave a note for the mac guru :- ) |
| 17:08:17 | hobu: | I've been working on mysql support for ogr... |
| 17:08:34 | timlinux: | ooer |
| 17:08:38 | hobu: | read support is mostly done except for sql-type "select * from foo" layer queries |
| 17:08:47 | timlinux: | cool |
| 17:08:51 | hobu: | write support is on the way, but I've been lagging |
| 17:09:08 | timlinux: | at the moment qgis doesnt use ogr for database derived layers |
| 17:09:24 | timlinux: | for historical reasons which are best gleaned from gsherman |
| 17:09:47 | timlinux: | the main thing is we need to come up with a unified interface for adding a new layer |
| 17:10:00 | timlinux: | that accommodates the range of ogr supported sources |
| 17:10:24 | timlinux: | prolly we can just flag the db connections and give those a separate dialog |
| 17:10:46 | hobu: | that sounds challenging, espcially considering how many different ways you can define an ogr datasource |
| 17:10:59 | timlinux: | yup |
| 17:11:42 | hobu: | well, my experience with mysql has been a bit frustrating. It is fast, but finicky |
| 17:11:57 | hobu: | and is not as feature complete as one would like |
| 17:12:14 | timlinux: | hobu: nice to see you around here - I gotta crash - 2:15am here - but Id love to here more about this |
| 17:12:21 | timlinux: | so please pop in again |
| 17:12:32 | hobu: | sure thing |
| 17:12:33 | timlinux: | night shift should be arriving here on teh channel soon |
| 17:12:44 | timlinux: | so if you tell them about it Ill read it in the logs |
| 17:12:46 | timlinux: | :- ) |
| 17:12:47 | timlinux: | btw |
| 17:13:12 | timlinux: | one of our irc visitors was also talking about some mysql hacking |
| 17:13:26 | timlinux: | I think it was judd but hes gone now |
| 17:13:30 | timlinux: | right cya! |
| 17:31:43 | : | * gsherman returns from the salt mines |
| 17:41:37 | CIA-15: | timlinux * r4728 /trunk/qgis/ ( 29 files in 3 dirs ): Added some icons from the open clipart project |
| 18:09:15 | ritalin: | Host 'sith', running Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2083 MHz; Up: 10:27; Users: 3; Load: 0.36; Free: [Mem: 46/1010 Mio] [Swap: 965/965 Mio] [/: 66797/113459 Mio]; Vpenis: 62.8 cm; |
| 18:09:20 | ritalin: | lmao |
| 18:09:33 | gsherman: | ritalin: ip and root passwd please |
| 18:09:44 | ritalin: | heh |
| 18:09:49 | ritalin: | 12345 |
| 18:10:06 | ritalin: | "Thats the type of combo and idiot would have on their luggage" |
| 18:13:45 | ritalin: | does Ubuntu come with fortune? |
| 18:14:16 | gsherman: | dunno, if not its only apt-get install fortune |
| 18:14:19 | gsherman: | and you got it |
| 18:14:34 | : | * spatialguru is back. |
| 18:14:41 | ritalin: | yeah, i judge the quality of an OS by if it includes fortune by default |
| 18:14:51 | gsherman: | ok, let me look... |
| 18:14:52 | ritalin: | Fortune = top notch |
| 18:15:07 | ritalin: | gentoo doesnt sadly |
| 18:15:30 | gsherman: | gsherman@madison:~$ which fortune |
| 18:15:31 | gsherman: | /usr/games/fortune |
| 18:15:45 | gsherman: | default -- ubuntu rules |
| 18:15:47 | ritalin: | nice |
| 18:15:52 | gsherman: | ( by your criteria ) |
| 18:16:10 | ritalin: | i _am_ the authority |
| 18:29:26 | gsherman: | @cnn 99577 |
| 18:29:28 | sigq: | gsherman: The current temperature in Eagle River, AK is -8F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph ( 0 km/h ). |
| 18:29:58 | gsherman: | ____ _ _ |
| 18:29:58 | gsherman: | / ___|___ | | __| | |
| 18:29:58 | gsherman: | | | / _ \| |/ _` | |
| 18:29:58 | gsherman: | | |__| ( _ ) | | ( _| | |
| 18:29:58 | gsherman: | \____\___/|_|\__,_| |
| 18:30:42 | ritalin: | < I win! > |
| 18:30:42 | ritalin: | -------- |
| 18:30:43 | ritalin: | \ ^__^ |
| 18:30:43 | ritalin: | \ ( oo )\_______ |
| 18:30:43 | ritalin: | ( __ )\ )\/\ |
| 18:30:45 | ritalin: | ||----w | |
| 18:30:47 | ritalin: | || || |
| 18:33:02 | gsherman: | ritalin: how many hours did it take you to do that one? |
| 18:33:44 | ritalin: | cowsay! |
| 18:33:47 | ritalin: | install it |
| 18:46:45 | Jazon: | hi guys |
| 18:47:02 | Jazon: | nice cow |
| 18:47:31 | gsherman: | i thought it was a dog |
| 18:47:41 | Jazon: | lol |
| 18:47:46 | Jazon: | maybe maybe |
| 18:48:12 | Jazon: | so... tim logs this chan right? |
| 18:48:20 | gsherman: | no |
| 18:48:26 | gsherman: | the siqg logs it |
| 18:48:31 | Jazon: | ok |
| 18:48:51 | Jazon: | i will email it to him...... just finished the build... |
| 18:48:58 | Jazon: | real 33m29.354s |
| 18:48:58 | Jazon: | user 18m42.534s |
| 18:48:59 | Jazon: | sys 7m11.527s |
| 18:49:15 | Jazon: | is that good, bad or what? |
| 18:49:26 | gsherman: | @faq wiki |
| 18:49:26 | sigq: | gsherman: The qgis wiki at http://wiki.qgis.org |
| 18:49:33 | gsherman: | benchmarks are there |
| 18:56:13 | Jazon: | hrmmm |
| 18:56:35 | Jazon: | ok, i built qgis... but only the old one launches....... how do i launch the new one? |
| 19:08:32 | gsherman: | Jazon: did you do make install? |
| 19:20:59 | ritalin: | When you replace someone's beer with a Miller Lite, you're not just giving them a beer that's great tasting and less filling, you're giving them 12 ounces of integrity. |
| 19:22:50 | ritalin: | doh wrong chan |
| 20:52:02 | spatialguru: | tim_work: re: the TWIOGIS comment... |
| 20:52:38 | spatialguru: | I firmly believe there is more than enough content and activity to warrant at least a monthly osgeo newsletter complete with |
| 20:52:53 | spatialguru: | updates, news, case studies, sample code even, etc... |
| 20:53:10 | gsherman: | door prizes? |
| 20:53:11 | spatialguru: | once the foundation stuff dies down ( hmm..if ever.. ) it is something I really want to pursue. |
| 20:53:16 | gsherman: | party hats? |
| 20:53:39 | spatialguru: | I don't believe in prizes - I entered a software naming contest once and it left a bad taste in my mouth :P |
| 20:54:36 | spatialguru: | I also think that once a regular compedium of all osgeo wisdom and knowledge gets started, that some good floaters will pop up worthy of weekly highlighting... |
| 20:54:38 | spatialguru: | and podcasts, etc. |
| 20:54:50 | spatialguru: | gsherman: when do I get my t-shirt for the qgis naming contest? |
| 20:55:28 | gsherman: | when you submit an entry thats capable of winning |
| 20:55:33 | gsherman: | : ) |
| 20:55:47 | spatialguru: | so what would be a good one? |
| 20:55:55 | spatialguru: | can you coach me? |
| 20:56:18 | gsherman: | no |
| 20:56:23 | gsherman: | that would be cheating |
| 20:56:41 | spatialguru: | I don't mind if *you* cheat, just don't let me miss my chance to win! |
| 20:56:55 | gsherman: | the names will be judged without looking at who submitted them |
| 20:57:04 | spatialguru: | whew! |
| 20:57:15 | spatialguru: | then I know you won't just throw mine away.. |
| 20:57:25 | spatialguru: | I better submit more than 1 I guess |
| 20:57:53 | gsherman: | there are what? over 200 entries now? |
| 20:58:12 | spatialguru: | wow - 202! |
| 20:58:17 | spatialguru: | er 220 |
| 20:58:24 | gsherman: | yup |
| 20:58:54 | spatialguru: | heh - "ArqEnemy" - that's a good one, but should be for v1.0 only ; ) |
| 20:59:26 | gsherman: | ok, that must be yours since you are mentioning it |
| 20:59:50 | spatialguru: | If it is, I forgot, and think it's funny anyway |
| 20:59:51 | spatialguru: | heh |
| 21:00:14 | gsherman: | i suppose i'm a poor judge when i don't understand some of the names |
| 21:01:09 | spatialguru: | I would be too! |
| 21:01:25 | spatialguru: | you wonder if some people thought you were asking for an email and password! |
| 21:02:06 | gsherman: | could be |
| 21:03:02 | gsherman: | i've been soliciting IP's and root passwds on the channel here |
| 21:03:20 | : | * gsherman can't understand why no one has responded |
| 21:04:41 | baw: | hmmm... try http://203.97.160.202/map_nz/map0.html I can give you the root passord if you want :- ) |
| 21:04:49 | : | * gsherman wonders who random_man is |
| 21:05:01 | gsherman: | somebody from australia it appears |
| 21:05:06 | baw: | It needs someone who knows what they are doing at the helm!! |
| 21:05:15 | spatialguru: | heya seadog! |
| 21:05:35 | baw: | land lubber now, for a few months at least... |
| 21:05:36 | gsherman: | baw: i'm lookin |
| 21:06:14 | gsherman: | baw: still trying to connect |
| 21:06:28 | spatialguru: | baw: you got ssh open? |
| 21:06:45 | baw: | interestingly ( for me anyway ) it took me about 15 mins to build the tangaroa rater backgrounds & display in mapserver. It took 3 of us 4 hrs each with ArcIMS.... |
| 21:06:56 | gsherman: | baw: connection timed out |
| 21:07:10 | gsherman: | baw: sounds typical |
| 21:07:17 | spatialguru: | wow |
| 21:07:33 | gsherman: | ArcI'mSlow is slow |
| 21:07:43 | spatialguru: | heh |
| 21:07:53 | baw: | hmmm.... it is fine from inside the firewall... can you ping it from there? |
| 21:08:16 | spatialguru: | can ping |
| 21:08:18 | baw: | all a 180 deg issue.... Arc does not like 1-360 longs |
| 21:08:34 | gsherman: | pings fine |
| 21:08:44 | : | * spatialguru starts portscan |
| 21:08:46 | baw: | ssh should be open... NX server should be up as well... |
| 21:09:22 | baw: | the router should be redirecting port 80 to the box I had at sea... |
| 21:09:24 | gsherman: | is httpd running |
| 21:09:33 | gsherman: | router must be sleeping |
| 21:10:35 | baw: | Yep... I can get in fine with konq/moz/gal/ffox on this system but its at http://192.168.1.16/map_nz/map0.html which won't do you much good... |
| 21:11:18 | gsherman: | looks like its not forwarding it then |
| 21:12:40 | spatialguru: | nmap not showing much : ) but then again I'm not waiting around all night. |
| 21:13:27 | baw: | can you ssh in? qgis/qgis1 |
| 21:14:20 | gsherman: | baw: no |
| 21:14:46 | gsherman: | debug1: Connecting to 203.97.160.202 [203.97.160.202] port 22. |
| 21:14:50 | gsherman: | and there it sits |
| 21:14:56 | spatialguru: | same here |
| 21:16:04 | spatialguru: | Wow baw, you've got a real secure little box there ; ) |
| 21:16:15 | baw: | try now?? just opened dmz as well as NAT |
| 21:16:25 | spatialguru: | Even your friends can't get in! |
| 21:16:42 | gsherman: | baw: nope |
| 21:17:12 | spatialguru: | nada |
| 21:18:24 | baw: | Hmmm... I'm confused.... not that unusual these days.... I'll keep trying to get it up.... |
| 21:19:00 | spatialguru: | Are you able to hit it with the same IP? |
| 21:23:55 | baw: | Nope... it gets chopped by the router, I can't get in via outside from inside... this is the same box you used Tyler, with 8080 enabled as well. |
| 21:26:51 | baw: | baw figures dinner is more interesting than a keyboard.... |
| 21:26:59 | gsherman: | heh |
| 21:26:59 | baw: | \nick baw_away |
| 21:27:21 | baw_away: | eventually... |
| 21:33:34 | spatialguru: | baw_away: have you reinstalled that box since I mucked about in it? |
| 21:57:33 | : | * spatialguru is away: zZzZzZz |
| 21:59:28 | : | * gsherman calls it a night |
| 22:00:11 | ritalin: | night |
| 22:05:13 | : | * spatialguru adds more contest entries and can now sleep in peace... |
| 22:56:51 | ritalin: | hi timlinux |
| 22:57:05 | timlinux: | hiya |
| 22:59:45 | timlinux: | ritalin: so you got head built eh? |
| 22:59:57 | ritalin: | havent tried |
| 23:00:05 | ritalin: | im waiting like a good boy |
| 23:00:09 | timlinux: | heh |
| 23:01:48 | : | * timlinux concludes another round of icon gimping |
| 23:03:00 | ritalin: | you got gimp skills? |
| 23:03:04 | ritalin: | im horrible |
| 23:04:05 | timlinux: | gimp rocks |
| 23:04:22 | ritalin: | its easier to use than photoshop, ill give it that |
| 23:13:38 | CIA-15: | timlinux * r4729 /trunk/qgis/ ( 10 files in 2 dirs ): More updates to make icons clearer and more logically laid out |
| 23:17:15 | timlinux: | http://linux-gis.co.uk/html_old/0.8preview1.jpg <-- preview of icon updates |
| 23:17:50 | ritalin: | very nice |
