#QGIS IRC Log - 2007-02-20

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02:04:11 doktoreas: hi to all
02:04:24 doktoreas: anyone around to make a test with WMS?
02:25:08 doktoreas: hi Jazon
02:25:19 Jazon: : ) hey doktoreas
02:34:37 joshuafr: hi all
02:38:23 doktoreas: hi
02:41:44 joshuafr: hi doktoreas
02:41:52 doktoreas: Jazon, got a sec for testing wms in qgis 0.8?
02:42:08 doktoreas: don't know if i bug i reported it's really a bug or my issue
02:42:12 joshuafr: I have a problem with new shapefiles, I can't edit them :-(
02:42:23 doktoreas: joshuafr, what mean i can't edit?
02:42:27 Jazon: doktoreas: give me a few minutes...
02:42:32 doktoreas: you created shp in Qgis?
02:42:35 doktoreas: Jazon, thx!
02:42:37 joshuafr: doktoreas: can't add points
02:42:54 joshuafr: doktoreas: yes, shp create from qgis
02:43:02 doktoreas: ok let's see
02:43:02 joshuafr: s/create/created
02:43:12 doktoreas: open it and select start editing
02:43:33 joshuafr: did it
02:43:49 doktoreas: if you select capture points
02:43:57 doktoreas: and click on canvas what happen?
02:44:01 joshuafr: doktoreas: gives an error
02:44:05 doktoreas: wich one
02:44:19 joshuafr: Could not snap segment. Have you set the tolerance in Settings > Project Properties > General?
02:45:18 joshuafr: oups, it's from the move vertex tool
02:45:23 doktoreas: yes
02:45:35 doktoreas: it you wanna move a point forst set tollerance
02:45:46 doktoreas: if you wanna add one don't need that
02:45:58 joshuafr: "select features"tool gives nothing
02:46:23 doktoreas: how much tollerance have you set up?
02:46:32 joshuafr: 0
02:46:44 joshuafr: setting to 1000 changes nothing
02:47:02 doktoreas: you wanna move the point, ok?
02:47:10 doktoreas: or editing the table?
02:47:13 joshuafr: no, I want to create a point
02:47:16 doktoreas: ok
02:47:24 doktoreas: allow editing it's on?
02:47:28 joshuafr: yes
02:47:34 Jazon: doktoreas: whats up?
02:48:02 doktoreas: joshuafr, and are you sure you select the "Capture point" button?
02:48:19 doktoreas: Jazon, if you add a wms layer, what does qgis set as name?
02:48:26 doktoreas: of that layer
02:48:37 doktoreas: in mine, it set the connection name
02:48:52 joshuafr: doktoreas: arg, it works
02:49:08 doktoreas: joshuafr, nice!
02:49:38 joshuafr: erasing the old shp file and make a new one makes it works
02:50:15 Jazon: doktoreas: i have no wms layers... where is one, i will try
02:50:29 joshuafr: doktoreas: strange, but it works :- )
02:50:44 Jazon: doktoreas: nasa one for example?
02:50:51 doktoreas: Jazon, i'll pm mine
02:51:59 doktoreas: Jazon, can you recive pm on irc?
02:52:48 doktoreas: http://mapserver.gdf-hannover.de/cgi-bin/grassuserwfs??
02:52:51 doktoreas: this should be fine
02:53:53 doktoreas: joshuafr, all goes fine?
02:54:38 joshuafr: doktoreas: yes, it's good
02:54:47 joshuafr: doktoreas: thanks
02:54:58 doktoreas: np :D
02:56:14 Jazon: doktoreas: you think it should give the name of hte layer instead?
02:56:19 Jazon: the
02:56:38 doktoreas: i think so
02:56:48 Jazon: i dont know....
02:57:00 Jazon: you have two layers for example that are called default
02:57:16 doktoreas: that's strange
02:57:23 doktoreas: i have no layer called defautl :D
02:57:29 Jazon: it makes some sense to name the layer after the connection, and then change it to be what you want it to be doesnt it?
02:57:35 Jazon: hmmmm maybe i saw wrong
02:57:39 Jazon: 1 sec
02:57:57 Jazon: hehe
02:58:00 doktoreas: oh i mean on mapfile
02:58:11 Jazon: ok
02:58:51 Jazon: so you think the layer should be named the same as the file from layerSource
02:59:21 Jazon: like tesi_wms
02:59:24 Jazon: ?
03:00:05 doktoreas: http://rafb.net/p/AJwOaa51.html
03:00:06 sigq`: Title: Nopaste - No description ( at rafb.net )
03:00:07 doktoreas: this is the mapfile
03:00:12 doktoreas: i thought so
03:00:33 Jazon: wms_title you want then
03:00:50 Jazon: yeah, that would probably make most sense wouldnt it
03:01:05 doktoreas: the connection setting it's too ambigue
03:01:14 Jazon: maybe not a bug? maybe this should be a feature request?
03:01:24 doktoreas: i still don't understand where it get "default" layer
03:01:34 Jazon: you see where i meant though?
03:01:40 doktoreas: yes
03:02:05 Jazon: so there is a bit of weirdness isnt there.... good discovery
03:02:45 doktoreas: i'll post on ml to understand what happened in 0.8's wms plugin
03:02:55 Jazon: good call
03:03:13 Jazon: doktoreas: whats the chan# for py wms project?
03:03:25 doktoreas: pywps?
03:03:36 Jazon: hehe
03:05:52 joshuafr: doktoreas: arg, new problem, labels are not displayed on the new shp :-(
03:07:51 doktoreas: joshuafr, i'll be back in 10 min
03:09:15 joshuafr: doktoreas: oki, I have also to go, I'll be here in 1 hour
03:58:38 timlinux: hi all
04:02:24 timlinux: wonder_sk: hi dude
04:02:35 wonder_sk: hi timlinux
04:07:44 timlinux: so no sip is still no building for me :-(
04:07:56 timlinux: wonder_sk: did you look at cpack at all?
04:08:27 wonder_sk: bad, bad sip!
04:09:05 wonder_sk: timlinux: i've took just a very gentle look on cpack - haven't tried it yet
04:09:16 timlinux: ok
04:09:33 wonder_sk: i'm more interested in CTest and the possibility to use automatic testing
04:09:39 timlinux: we need to come up with a solution for a ) source release ( make dist ) and b ) packaging
04:09:51 timlinux: before we can fully adopt cmake
04:10:21 wonder_sk: source release with CPack shouldn't be a problem ( i guess )
04:10:41 timlinux: yes I think so
04:10:48 timlinux: Im going to hack that in today
04:10:50 wonder_sk: and I don't know much about packaging so i can't be of much help...
04:11:00 timlinux: to both 0.8 and trunk
04:11:12 timlinux: and the packaging stuff I will need to read more on
04:14:27 wonder_sk: we need something for automatic package generation, so with every release we could immediately release packages
04:14:48 wonder_sk: ... doesn't anything like that exist?
04:16:42 timlinux: I think cpack can do this
04:16:48 timlinux: but need to read more on it
04:17:03 timlinux: and Im not sure on debian packages etc
04:17:29 wonder_sk: i think it currently supports only raw packages like tar.gz, zip etc. and NSIS installer on windows
04:19:22 timlinux: ah
04:19:29 timlinux: well I have made windows nsis
04:19:38 timlinux: so we can at least use that
04:20:11 nhv: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake:Packaging_With_CPack
04:20:12 sigq`: Title: CMake:Packaging With CPack - KitwarePublic ( at www.cmake.org )
04:20:21 timlinux: wonder_sk: see private chat
04:20:34 timlinux: nhv: ya I was reading that last night
04:20:39 timlinux: nhv: hi btw!
04:20:46 nhv: g'day sir
04:20:58 timlinux: :- )
04:28:26 what_nick_: Hi all
04:36:16 timlinux: hi what_nick_
04:36:26 timlinux: what_nick_: how is the fame & glory going?
04:36:29 timlinux: :- )
04:36:42 timlinux: did you get any job offers from google earth folks yet ? :- )
04:36:43 what_nick_: It is going nowhere very fast
04:36:45 what_nick_: : )
04:36:53 what_nick_: I have not asked
04:37:39 what_nick_: I am busy making pretty satellite imagery
04:37:47 what_nick_: and preparing to go to Japan
04:38:04 what_nick_: Ossim is SOOO handy
04:38:22 what_nick_: I am trying to coerce it to deal with my SAR data
04:40:12 what_nick_: been watching blood diamonds
04:40:20 doktoreas: back
04:41:08 doktoreas: I have reported a bug on the WMS layer import, but i don't know if is really a bug
04:41:32 doktoreas: is it normal that the name of wms layer added in qgis, is the same of the connection used?
04:43:02 timlinux: doktoreas: hmm Im not sure
04:43:09 doktoreas: hi tim
04:43:30 timlinux: hi doktoreas !
04:43:48 doktoreas: i thought that it used wms_title
04:54:36 joshuafr: hi doktoreas
04:54:50 doktoreas: hi joshuafr
04:54:56 doktoreas: solved the label problem?
04:55:03 joshuafr: no
04:56:06 joshuafr: in the created shp file, there's just one string field, but it's not displayed
04:56:13 doktoreas: ok
04:56:18 doktoreas: right click on layer
04:56:42 doktoreas: the properties
04:56:44 doktoreas: *then
04:56:54 doktoreas: labels
04:57:15 doktoreas: then thick display labels
04:57:17 doktoreas: ok?
04:57:25 joshuafr: yes it is
04:57:33 doktoreas: ok
04:57:48 doktoreas: now in field contains label, select the field you wanna show
04:58:25 joshuafr: I do that
04:58:51 doktoreas: then click apply
04:58:56 doktoreas: nothing it's showned?
04:59:01 joshuafr: no
04:59:07 doktoreas: strange
04:59:15 doktoreas: open the attribute table and see if all is fine
04:59:25 doktoreas: the field it's there?
05:00:59 joshuafr: yes
05:01:08 doktoreas: really strange
05:01:15 doktoreas: can host the file somewhere?
05:01:25 doktoreas: or compress and send to me?
05:02:30 joshuafr: doktoreas: i'm going to send it to you, 1 min.
05:02:42 doktoreas: dcc?
05:02:52 CIA-10: timlinux * r6639 /branches/Release-0_8_0/win_build/qgis.nsi: Updated version 0.8.1
05:05:19 doktoreas: joshuafr, don't see any point :(
05:05:38 timlinux: wonder_sk: having any luck?
05:05:52 doktoreas: joshuafr, i need to eat something
05:05:55 doktoreas: brb
05:06:10 timlinux: wonder_sk: download will finishe in about 12min and then connection should be better
05:06:17 wonder_sk: timlinux: trying something from time to time...
05:06:30 joshuafr: doktoreas: do you have the files?
05:06:32 wonder_sk: good, now it's really quite slow
05:07:05 wonder_sk: ( 1-2 seconds ping )
05:08:11 joshuafr: doktoreas: here the point is displayed
05:09:26 wonder_sk: timlinux: very good idea with the release process... will minimalize possible errors
05:14:50 timlinux: wonder_sk: yes i hope so
05:30:46 wonder_sk: timlinux: success!
05:31:01 wonder_sk: binding build
05:31:57 wonder_sk: that hint i gave you with adding geos include dir was good, however there was a missing dependency on configuration script for bindings so makefiles didn't get updated
05:32:10 wonder_sk: now it's fixed
05:34:36 wonder_sk: timlinux: you can commit the two changed files in python/ directory
05:42:17 timlinux: ok will do
05:51:15 doktoreas: joshuafr, are you there?
06:04:59 joshuafr: doktoreas: yes, sorry for the wait ( phone )
06:05:23 doktoreas: i can't see the point...
06:05:43 joshuafr: strange, I have it here
06:05:57 joshuafr: doktoreas: maybe projection?
06:06:40 timlinux: wonder_sk: thanks I will commit it
06:06:59 wonder_sk: timlinux: does the python console work?
06:07:49 timlinux: wonder_sk: will test in a sec
06:40:34 timlinux: wonder_sk: no :-(
06:40:41 timlinux: wonder_sk: will ba bakc later
06:53:54 bag_of_wind: @cnn 99577
06:53:56 sigq`: bag_of_wind: The current temperature in Eagle River, AK is -2°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph ( 0 km/h ).
07:50:31 timlinux: hi
07:50:36 timlinux: Jazon: you there?
07:50:46 bag_of_wind: @cnn 99577
07:50:47 sigq`: bag_of_wind: The current temperature in Eagle River, AK is -6°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Wind: S at 4 mph ( 6 km/h ).
07:51:06 bag_of_wind: @convert 6 F to C
07:51:06 sigq`: bag_of_wind: -14.4444444444
07:51:06 timlinux: hi bag_of_wind
07:51:16 bag_of_wind: winter has returned
07:51:25 timlinux: I hope its not bag_of_wind as in bagpipes
07:51:35 timlinux: bag_of_wind: did you see my post re release process
07:51:41 bag_of_wind: no, just an old wind bag
07:51:44 nhv: ooh talk about squeaky ....
07:51:48 bag_of_wind: yes, i edited it some
07:51:58 bag_of_wind: ( trivially )
07:52:30 : * timlinux is trying to update the splash with 0.8.1 instead of 0.8
07:52:42 timlinux: but the gimpshop I instlled is missing the plugins :-(
07:53:11 bag_of_wind: use gimp
07:53:22 timlinux: gimpshop = gimp
07:53:38 bag_of_wind: not really
07:53:57 bag_of_wind: they are two different distributions on os x
07:54:25 bag_of_wind: i reverted to gimp since i had trouble with gimpshop
07:54:39 timlinux: oh?
07:54:51 : * timlinux is enjoying his carnival long weekend
07:54:59 bag_of_wind: it was flakey opening images at times
07:55:14 bag_of_wind: i hope you haven't been out dancing in the streets half-naked
07:56:25 timlinux: we are going to do that tonight
07:56:40 timlinux: actually probbaly we will watch others dancing in the street half naked
07:56:45 bag_of_wind: heh
08:01:07 timlinux: martin got python bindings building on mac for me today
08:01:17 timlinux: still couldnt use them
08:01:25 timlinux: but at least they build now...
08:01:51 bag_of_wind: release soon?
08:07:45 timlinux: gsherman: well there are few goodies to sort out
08:07:54 CIA-10: timlinux * r6641 /branches/Release-0_8_0/images/splash/ ( splash.png splash.xcf ): Updated version in spalsh to 0.8.1
08:08:16 timlinux: 1 ) make install in cmake shoudl put headers into PREFIX/include/qgis like I have done in trunk
08:08:28 timlinux: 2 ) nsis needs to be updated to install headers
08:09:14 timlinux: 3 )I need to rebuild grass in msys with -mwindow I think ( need to chakc whats needed )
08:09:28 timlinux: 4 ) need to at qt image plugins to win distribution
08:09:47 timlinux: 5 ) need to update gdal to 1.4 for win
08:09:49 gsherman: so another 15 minutes or so eh?
08:10:00 timlinux: 6 ) need to update proj for win
08:10:13 timlinux: 5&6 also need to be done for linux bundle
08:10:29 timlinux: 7 ) need to write cpack stuff so we can do make dist to get source packages
08:11:06 timlinux: 8 ) need to generate a changelog
08:11:36 timlinux: ( do yo know an easy way to get all commit messages for commits against a branch?
08:11:57 gsherman: you can use svn log
08:12:05 timlinux: gsherman: 15min if I was an autistic servant yes
08:12:44 gsherman: servant or savant?
08:12:51 MZM: timlinux: so - is now possible to compile 0.8.1 with cmake and w/o PG?
08:12:56 timlinux: a bit of both really
08:13:12 timlinux: 9 ) make 0.8.1 compileable without pg :- )
08:13:26 gsherman: i thought that was done
08:13:37 gsherman: oh and fix all the bugs i filed against 0.8.0 please
08:13:40 timlinux: 9.1 ) check if its done or not
08:13:46 gsherman: they're messing up my screenshots
08:14:00 timlinux: gsherman: Ill carry on with 0.8.2 after this
08:15:20 MZM: gsherman: that PG issue is not funny - homann asked to test how he has fixed GPS device editor bug but I was not able to compile qgis with cmake
08:16:58 gsherman: who said it was funny/
08:17:02 gsherman: ?
08:17:06 timlinux: MZM: anyone who laughs at bugs is excused from ths channel
08:17:22 timlinux: unless the bug has a pg13 rating
08:17:45 : * timlinux senses some latvian - english malapropism going on here
08:17:58 MZM: My inglis skeelz are too poor - I misread gshermans text
08:18:09 Jazon: timlinux: hi
08:18:13 timlinux: hi dude
08:18:21 Jazon: sorry didnt see you here
08:18:31 timlinux: mzm Ill start a build with no pg now and see what happens
08:18:59 gsherman: MZM, no problem
08:19:04 timlinux: Jazon: we can skype further when you are ready on the super secret Jazon microsoft office killer app
08:19:17 : * gsherman takes *all* bugs seriously
08:19:32 gsherman: timlinux, you are not allowed to work on that until qgis is done
08:19:34 Jazon: hehe
08:19:41 : * Jazon hides
08:20:02 Jason: noone will recognize me now!
08:20:02 timlinux: gsherman: ah come on bug #1337 was a hoot - you must have at least got a chuckle out of it
08:20:14 gsherman: changing your nick isn't going to work
08:20:19 Jazon: bummer
08:20:28 timlinux: @seen Jason Jazon Arkygeek
08:20:28 sigq`: timlinux: ( seen [<channel>] <nick> ) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
08:20:30 gsherman: timlinux, we don't have bug reports that high
08:20:33 Jazon: hehe
08:20:34 gsherman: @ticket 1337
08:20:34 sigq`: gsherman: http://svn.qgis.org/trac/ticket/1337
08:20:39 timlinux: @robot destroy Jazon nick
08:20:44 Jazon: eep!
08:21:23 timlinux: gsherman: thats a leet bug you prolly dont have perms to view it
08:21:33 gsherman: oh good
08:21:41 timlinux: you need a score of over 5zillion in world of warcraft before you can access it
08:21:54 Jazon: heh
08:22:10 : * Jazon wonders what timlinux seasoned his lunch with...
08:22:13 timlinux: and even then it destroys itself after you read it
08:22:37 timlinux: açai juice and pão de quiejo of course :- )
08:22:54 : * timlinux cant spell in portuguese any better than in eng
08:25:48 timlinux: MZM: build started with all pg stuff blanked off
08:25:48 timlinux: not sure if thats a good enough test...
08:26:51 MZM: timlinux: for me it failed in middle when did not found PH includes
08:27:04 MZM: s/PH/PG/
08:39:31 joshuafr: Is it possible to make interpolation with QGIS?
08:49:53 MZM: joshuafr: only in GRASS plugin
08:54:51 timlinux: /Users/tim/dev/cpp/qgis0.8/src/gui/qgspgutil.cpp:43: error: variable or field 'setConnection' declared void
08:54:57 timlinux: mzm error like that ?
08:55:31 MZM: timlinux: nope, I had like "libPGblahblah.h" not found
08:55:47 timlinux: ah ok
08:56:49 MZM: qgis_08/src/gui/qgspgutil.h:22:24: error: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory
09:15:43 timlinux: I guess Ill need to uninstall pg here to test :-(
09:25:17 MZM: bad news for You
09:33:09 homann: hello guys
09:33:46 MZM_food: yellow homann
09:34:05 homann: More greyish, today
09:34:11 homann: hello mzm
09:34:46 homann: I fixed the without pg stuff earlier today. Do a 'svn up' in your top dir, and then 'make install' in your build-dir.
09:34:54 homann: I hope I fixed it. :- )
09:35:55 timlinux: homann: I was gonna say it all looks like it should work here
09:36:01 timlinux: Im testing now
09:36:24 homann: timlinux, hello. Do you compile without PG?
09:37:39 timlinux: homann: normally no
09:37:53 timlinux: but I moved my pgsql dir to pgsql_ and am testing now
09:41:56 homann: did you svn up to r6638 ?
09:42:03 homann: at the least, I mean
10:01:55 timlinux: I think I am up to date
10:02:08 : * timlinux does svn first thing when he sits down at the computer
10:02:15 timlinux: building...
10:02:23 : * timlinux gets ready to go for a run
10:02:33 timlinux: homann: I bought a watch to start timing my runs
10:02:47 timlinux: first Ime I own a watch in like 20 years
10:02:54 homann: really, that so 80's
10:03:03 timlinux: people are gonna start expecting me to be on time for stuff now :-(
10:03:11 homann: do you use NTP instead? :- )
10:03:25 timlinux: next I need to write a little app to record my run times and make a graph
10:03:41 homann: ...along with some tracks on a map...
10:03:50 homann: I suggest qgis.
10:03:59 MZM_food: on street: Could You, plz, say correct time? timlinux: No, I can't. I'm offline. :P
10:08:09 timlinux: homann: [ 42%] Building CXX object src/core/CMakeFiles/qgis_core.dir/__/__/__/src/gui/qgspgutil.o
10:08:11 timlinux: In file included from /Users/tim/dev/cpp/qgis0.8/src/gui/qgspgutil.cpp:16:
10:08:12 timlinux: /Users/tim/dev/cpp/qgis0.8/src/gui/qgspgutil.h:22:24: error: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory
10:08:14 timlinux: /Users/tim/dev/cpp/qgis0.8/src/gui/qgspgutil.h:46: error: 'PGconn' has not been declared
10:08:33 homann: sure you're on 6638?
10:08:45 timlinux: homann: doesnt look like its working ( on mac anyway )
10:08:45 timlinux: 1 sec
10:08:55 homann: becasue that's what I got previously.
10:09:02 homann: and not anymore.
10:09:23 homann: ( and also what MZM got )
10:09:33 : * timlinux slaps himself with a rancid fish
10:09:35 timlinux: I prolly updated trunk but not 0.8
10:09:45 timlinux: im on 6641 now
10:09:53 timlinux: will rebuild
10:09:56 homann: just make install
10:10:08 timlinux: will report back after my run
10:10:13 homann: have fun!
10:10:20 MZM_food: /usr/lib/python2.4/config/libpython2.4.a( posixmodule.o ): In function `posix_tmpnam':
10:10:20 MZM_food: ( .text+0x88e ): warning: the use of `tmpnam_r' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
10:10:51 homann: mzm. got it when compiling qgis?
10:11:12 homann: There aer alot fo warnings in 0.8 still, we try to remove them for 0.9
10:11:37 MZM_food: homann: yea, looks like PG problem now is gone
10:11:47 homann: yay!
10:11:59 : * MZM_food runs make install
10:13:43 : * MZM_food just needs to find how to set up library paths before run
10:18:58 MZM_food: homann: GPS bug seems to be gone
10:19:03 MZM_food: good work!
10:19:24 homann: thanks! *blush* I'm glad you got it compile
10:25:41 homann: Right! Time for semla!
10:25:44 homann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla
10:25:45 sigq`: Title: Semla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org )
10:37:01 MZM_TV: homann: seems tasty
10:37:13 homann: it is VERY tatsty...
10:37:27 homann: Got one at work, and just had a home made one...
11:13:54 homann: hello wonder_sk
11:15:54 wonder_sk: hi homann
11:23:09 : * timlinux returns from his run: 10km 51m12s
11:23:19 timlinux: homann: 0.8 built fine with no pg
11:23:36 timlinux: wonder_sk: hi head built with sip but no console will open
11:23:38 homann: timlinux is very sporty! Sporty Tim!
11:24:04 timlinux: wonder_sk: also SIP binary is not being found automatically on mac
11:24:09 homann: I wish I could run 10km...
11:24:12 timlinux: I have to manually enter its location
11:24:42 timlinux: homann: this watch is gonna be the end of me since Im going to have to better my time every run...
11:25:01 homann: yes, that's a good way to train... not!
11:25:21 homann: train -> excercise?
11:26:16 timlinux: homann: just exercise really
11:26:25 timlinux: though Id like to get fit enough to do a marathon
11:26:54 homann: he, I'm going for the half marathon.
11:26:57 timlinux: after that I will put in an application to ninja school
11:27:03 timlinux: hows the shinsplints
11:27:06 timlinux: ?
11:28:00 homann: I can jog 2,5 km on soft track ( as soft as it gets when its freezing )
11:28:10 timlinux: I tested your patch on trunk btw you are right
11:28:33 timlinux: well you are > 1/10th of the way to half marathon :- )
11:28:44 : * timlinux will be back later
11:28:50 homann: ... and the same duration.. :- )
11:28:57 homann: cu
11:30:51 homann: anyone usnig an ultraportable laptop ( 12" display? )
11:31:17 : * MZM_TV has access to such device
11:31:25 MZM_TV: only with w2k
11:31:31 homann: mzm. is it worth the money?
11:32:09 MZM_TV: nope, it's a PIII box with dead battery :P
11:32:13 homann: You can get three 14" 3kg laptops fpr the price of one 12" 1kg...
11:32:20 MZM_TV: and screen is paritaly broken
11:32:21 MZM_TV: ; )
11:32:34 homann: mzm: not a good buy, then? :- )
11:32:46 homann: to small to program on?
11:33:15 MZM_TV: homann: It's a good thing, if You walk around a lot
11:33:48 homann: I'm on the train 30 mins to work each day.
11:34:12 homann: Thought I might actually do someting with that time.
11:34:13 : * MZM_TV has 3kg laptop and it's a lot to carry with every day ( laptop + charger + mice + other stuff )
11:34:40 homann: Yeah, charger I forgot...
11:34:50 MZM_TV: well - if it's not Your main box, then for some hacking en route it may be good
11:34:52 homann: Is mice necesasry really?
11:35:21 homann: No, my main box would be much older and slower... :- )
11:35:25 MZM_TV: depends - in emacs - no, in QGIS - yea. Except, if Your laptop is with clitoris
11:35:58 MZM_TV: my laptop is with touchpad and thus I use external mice
11:36:14 homann: I've never used that name on anything close to a computer... :- )
11:36:28 MZM_TV: external mice?
11:37:01 MZM_TV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_point
11:37:02 sigq`: Title: Pointing stick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org )
11:38:12 timlinux: homann: the win notebook I bring home from work is a dell ultraportable
11:38:18 timlinux: its pretty good
11:38:45 timlinux: though not brilliant as a sole machine unless you plug it into an external monitor and keyboard
11:39:18 : * timlinux goes over to his neighbours to learn how to make cheesy bread
11:39:20 timlinux: back later
11:44:51 homann: Something like a LG TX looks nice
11:57:09 : * Jazon fires the secretary for giving the ok to paint green three legged goats on an orange car boot
11:59:20 MZM_TV: Jazon: ?
11:59:47 Jazon: MZM_TV: heh - don't ask....
12:00:13 Jazon: its about classes, examples and general madness of my mind
12:00:23 : * Jazon goes to grab a beer
12:38:06 homann: bedtime...
13:54:43 : * wonder_sk is back
14:07:39 homann: hello
14:08:43 homann: timlinux: instead of slaping yourself with a rancid fish, try this:
14:08:45 homann: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4867024.stm
14:08:46 sigq`: Title: BBC NEWS | Europe | Airlines ban 'foul' Swedish fish ( at news.bbc.co.uk )
14:10:00 timlinux: homann: heheh
14:10:11 timlinux: hi wonder_sk
14:10:16 homann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming
14:10:17 sigq`: Title: Surstrƶmming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( at en.wikipedia.org )
14:10:19 timlinux: wonder_sk: did you see my note?
14:10:41 wonder_sk: timlinux: yes i've seen that
14:10:48 homann: now it's really bedtime...
14:10:52 homann: bye, bye
14:10:57 wonder_sk: - where is your sip binary installed?
14:11:01 wonder_sk: bye homann
14:11:43 wonder_sk: - that problem with python console not opening seems be broken slot
14:13:06 timlinux: wonder 1 sec for sip path
14:13:57 timlinux: /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/bin/sip
14:14:19 timlinux: I assume this can be safely used as a default for mac
14:14:58 wonder_sk: timlinux: then you can add that path ... probably also with other python versions ... 2.5 and 2.4
14:17:31 timlinux: wonder_sk: where must I add it in cmake/Pthon ?
14:17:39 timlinux: wonder_sk: where must I add it? in cmake/Pthon ?
14:17:46 timlinux: :- )
14:19:08 wonder_sk: timlinux: i can do that if you want, showing it in commit would be probably simpler than explaining here : )
14:19:53 timlinux: sure
14:24:37 timlinux: gsherman: finished work on this fine summers day?
14:24:44 wonder_sk: timlinux: when looking to Python.cmake file it seems that this path should be already used to search for sip
14:24:55 timlinux: hmm
14:24:57 gsherman: no
14:25:18 timlinux: wonder_sk: care to apply some Surtromming to the problem?
14:25:38 wonder_sk: surtromming...?
14:26:20 timlinux: that stinky sedish fish homann was bragging about :- )
14:26:40 timlinux: swedish
14:26:45 wonder_sk: ah now i see
14:26:46 wonder_sk: : )
14:28:55 wonder_sk: timlinux: when you run cmake, it results with NOTFOUND value for SIP binary?
14:29:40 timlinux: yes
14:31:54 wonder_sk: FIND_PROGRAM ( SIP_BINARY_PATH sip PATHS /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/bin )
14:32:07 wonder_sk: timlinux: try using that in Python.cmake
14:34:06 timlinux: cool will try in a minute - just have to chop a pumpkin for marcelle
14:39:38 CIA-10: wonder * r6642 /trunk/qgis/src/app/ ( qgisapp.cpp qgisapp.h ):
14:39:38 CIA-10: Fix for python console not opening - this was due previous compilation without
14:39:39 CIA-10: Python support and #ifdeffed slot was not generated.
14:51:40 timlinux: wonder_sk:
14:52:06 timlinux: how come its SIP_BINARY_PATH and not ${SIP_BINARY_PATH} ?
14:52:42 wonder_sk: timlinux: because it will receive value
14:52:50 timlinux: and ah
14:52:53 timlinux: and PATH ?
14:53:14 wonder_sk: PATHS is a 'keyword' for FIND_PROGRAM path
14:53:26 wonder_sk: s/path/command/
14:53:49 wonder_sk: it shouldn't be needed, but one never knows
14:54:19 wonder_sk: btw. try to update to r6642 and check out whether python console works
14:56:17 timlinux: wonder_sk: ok
14:56:17 timlinux: wonder_sk: so I replaced the old FIND_PROGRAM with your one above
14:56:19 timlinux: and it found sip exe
14:56:21 timlinux: building now
14:58:11 wonder_sk: so i guess there was problem in 1. missing 'PATHS' word -or- 2. trailing slash in path
14:58:14 timlinux: gsherman: yaya leopard terminal will have tab support
14:58:32 timlinux: best feature they could add
14:58:48 timlinux: wonder_sk: the mac paths var is not used at all
14:59:06 timlinux: wonder_sk: I guess its possible the user could have more recent versions of python
14:59:19 timlinux: but in that cas they can just use ccmake to edit the path
15:00:03 timlinux: since my howto will hopefully be the 'standard' using e.g. default python that comes with apple osx etc it should be fine to use just that one path I guess
15:00:20 wonder_sk: that SIP_MAC_PATH should do that automatically - first look at 2.5, then at 2.4 and at last at 2.3
15:01:00 timlinux: but its not used in find program any more
15:01:28 timlinux: shall I try just adding the PATH option?
15:01:37 timlinux: and not the hard coded path into find_program
15:03:48 wonder_sk: yes try adding 'PATHS' to that FIND_PROGRAM command
15:04:20 timlinux: the old one?
15:05:20 timlinux: ill take off the trailing slahes too
15:06:46 timlinux: wonder_sk: ok it works now
15:06:55 timlinux: I removed trailing slashes and added path
15:07:18 wonder_sk: good
15:08:27 CIA-10: timlinux * r6643 /trunk/qgis/cmake/Python.cmake: Fix search path for python on mac
15:08:53 timlinux: wonder_sk: cool now te last two minor irritations are having to set libgdal.so to libgdal.dylib and same for libpq
15:09:08 timlinux: and also I think default install prefix on mac is wrong
15:09:20 timlinux: should go to /Applications
15:10:04 timlinux: wonder_sk: at the moment its /usr/local
15:10:25 wonder_sk: setting default prefix for mac is simple - just alter the variable CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX in CMakeLists.txt
15:11:50 wonder_sk: and when looking at FindGDAL and FindPostgres routines that so -> dylib should be also simple
15:13:50 wonder_sk: timlinux: FindGDAL.cmake line 76 - it uses .so extension - that should be conditional and .dylib should be used for mac
15:13:57 wonder_sk: the same for postgresql
15:15:29 timlinux: wonder_sk: there is already CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX for mac condition in CMakeList.txt
15:15:35 timlinux: so I dont exactly get how overriding the one will not break the other settings
15:15:59 timlinux: if you see what I mean despite my poor explanation
15:17:15 wonder_sk: i think that you need to set that variable so that it will be saved with that value to cache
15:19:23 wonder_sk: probably i'm wrong with this
15:19:47 wonder_sk: i still don't know how does it all work in macs
15:22:01 timlinux: ok
15:22:09 timlinux: i think this is better for tom to look at
15:22:22 timlinux: since I am only a mac wannabe guru
15:22:30 Jazon: heh
15:22:43 timlinux: Jazon: how you getting on?
15:22:53 timlinux: Jazon: Ill return to your stuff in a few mins
15:23:02 Jazon: well, I am enjoying watching you guys
15:23:04 timlinux: but you seem to be doing a spiffy job
15:23:12 Jazon: also, got cmake working with kdevelop 3.4
15:24:55 CIA-10: timlinux * r6644 /trunk/qgis/cmake/ ( FindGDAL.cmake FindPostgres.cmake ): For mac use dylib instead of .so for default libgdal and libpq extensions
15:24:58 timlinux: Jazon: wow cool
15:25:03 timlinux: Jazon: complicated?
15:25:08 Jazon: no
15:25:15 Jazon: in fact it turned out to be easy peasy
15:25:26 timlinux: I might even build kdevelop from source and try it out at work tomorro
15:25:46 Jazon: i will send you the settings
15:25:48 timlinux: wonder_sk: there some things about cmake that make no sense
15:26:03 timlinux: why does it do a complete rebuild when I change teh prfix in ccmake
15:26:42 timlinux: and there are other times when it seems to do a complete rebuild which to me seem unneeded
15:26:49 timlinux: but Im just impatient :- )
15:28:05 wonder_sk: i've also seen that cmake was rebuilding everything even it didn't have to... i don't know, maybe there's a reason :- )
15:28:22 wonder_sk: or maybe 'just to be sure' : )
15:28:48 timlinux: heh
15:28:48 timlinux: ya
15:29:17 timlinux: qmake has the opposite problem - sometimes it doenst rebuild stuff when it should
15:29:44 : * timlinux finishes removing a whole chunk of instructions from teh osx build notes in the wiki
15:29:45 wonder_sk: so i would say this way it's better
15:29:52 timlinux: wonder_sk: thanks very much for those tweaks
15:30:03 wonder_sk: you're welcome
15:30:05 timlinux: wonder_sk: yes - Im very happy with cmake
15:30:16 timlinux: Ive been moving all the projects I work on over to cmake
15:30:26 timlinux: ( and even some projects I dont work on :- )
15:30:43 wonder_sk: oh, so much joy with it? : )
15:30:59 : * Jazon likes it
15:31:01 timlinux: yes :- )
15:31:11 timlinux: wonder_sk: I like the easy syntax
15:31:13 timlinux: and
15:31:22 Jazon: and he has in no way been influenced by *anyone*
15:31:25 Jazon: :P
15:31:45 timlinux: it resolves issues with multiple symble exports I had building openModellerDesktop when linking to gdal on mac
15:32:02 timlinux: wonder_sk: though I still have several issues with it
15:32:07 timlinux: on win and mac
15:32:23 timlinux: for example one of my libs dont export all the symbols they should
15:32:27 Jazon: timlinux: is the export todo thing one of those things?
15:33:05 wonder_sk: you could resolve it by using that __declspec( dllimport / dllexport ) thing as in QGIS, no?
15:34:45 timlinux: wonder_sk: yes I used that for libopenmodeller
15:35:01 : * timlinux goes to eat food
15:35:09 timlinux: back in a little while to resume the thread
15:46:28 : * wonder_sk really enjoys BasKet Note Pads v1.0 - finally a usable note-taking application
16:00:32 timlinux: wonder_sk: so the issue is partly because the lib and the app are in the same dir
16:00:41 timlinux: so I either need to refactor my sources
16:00:44 timlinux: or
16:01:06 timlinux: I need ot figure out how to make the lib do core_export and the app do core_import
16:02:48 wonder_sk: hmm, i don't understand well the problem but i hope you'll manage to fix it : )
16:10:35 timlinux: wonder_sk: no doubt after a losing a little more hair I will fix it :- )
16:38:04 : * wonder_sk falls asleep
18:21:58 worthington: olay!!!!!
18:22:09 worthington: allo!?
20:37:55 akbowbender: Hi, gsherman
22:19:03 baba: hi