#QGIS IRC Log - 2009-05-04

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00:39:58 CIA-70: sholl * r10715 /docs/trunk/english_us/user_guide/working_with_ogc.tex: + added some more notes for WFS, chapter seems ready for 1.1 now.
00:39:59 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10715]: + added some more notes for WFS, chapter seems ready for 1.1 now. <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10715>
02:00:48 CIA-70: aghisla * r10716 /docs/trunk/english_us/user_guide/ ( features_at_a_glance.tex forward.tex ): updated feature list
02:02:45 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10716]: updated feature list <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10716>
02:12:06 CIA-70: timlinux * r10717 /trunk/qgis/doc/CODING.t2t: Updates to coding standards docs - mainly formatting and layout cleanups
02:12:06 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10717]: Updates to coding standards docs - mainly formatting and layout cleanups <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10717>
02:15:27 CIA-70: timlinux * r10718 /trunk/qgis/src/app/ ( 6 files in 2 dirs ): Refactoring to follow the 1 class :: 1 file rule. Also renamed mem model to memorymodel to comply with coding standards
02:23:43 CIA-70: timlinux * r10719 /trunk/qgis/doc/index.html: Placeholder updates for eventual 1.2 release
02:24:50 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10719]: Placeholder updates for eventual 1.2 release <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10719>
02:25:10 CIA-70: timlinux * r10720 /trunk/qgis/ ( CODING INSTALL doc/INSTALL.t2t ): Regenerated from sources
02:26:42 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10720]: Regenerated from sources <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10720>
03:23:42 CIA-70: jef * r10721 /trunk/qgis/debian/ ( 9 files ): debian packaging update for 1.2.0
03:23:43 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10721]: debian packaging update for 1.2.0 <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10721>
03:35:14 timlinux: hello whirled
03:37:20 dassouki: werd
03:41:58 dassouki: timlinux: do u know of a way to import shapefiles /postgis into a vector form/csv. i'm interested in importing a linear layer into octave
03:48:34 timlinux: hi dassouki
03:48:42 CIA-70: timlinux * r10722 /trunk/qgis/src/gui/qgsdetaileditemdelegate.h: Trivial change, just removed some extra white space
03:49:06 timlinux: cool I used to use octave about 5 years back
03:49:07 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10722]: Trivial change, just removed some extra white space <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10722>
03:51:23 CIA-70: jef * r10723 /branches/Version-1_0/debian/python-qgis.install: backport debian packaging fix for python 2.6 ( jaunty )
03:51:47 CIA-70: jef * r10724 /branches/Version-1_0/src/app/ ( qgscontinuouscolordialog.cpp qgscontinuouscolordialog.h ): backport r10708 to 1.0
03:52:47 dassouki: timlinux: pretty much any format i can import a layer as vector of nodes and length, so ( node_a,node_b,length )
03:52:48 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10724]: backport r10708 to 1.0 <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10724> || Changeset [10723]: backport debian packaging fix for python 2.6 ( jaunty ) <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10723>
03:52:55 dassouki: i'm assuming the nodes will coresspond to endpoints
04:01:04 jef: dassouki: you can output csv from psql. and postgis has functions to get the start and endpoint of linestrings and to retrieve x/y from points.
04:01:26 jef: refractions site down again?
04:06:23 dassouki: jef: using ogr2ogr, i get ( link_id, Link_attributes ). I want ( endpoint_a, endpoint_b, length ) .. i'll try postgis and see what that gets me
05:30:51 dassouki: http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/mg20227041.500/mg20227041.500-1_1000.jpg
05:43:25 CIA-70: mhugent * r10725 /trunk/qgis/src/plugins/diagram_overlay/qgsdiagramoverlay.cpp: Bugfix: consider multiple overlay objects for multitypes ( or also possible no overlay objects if the feature is too small )
06:22:17 CIA-70: timlinux * r10726 /trunk/qgis/src/app/attributetable/ ( 8 files ): Added missing files
06:23:37 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10726]: Added missing files <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10726>
07:20:33 jef: timlinux: qgis 1.0.2 and 1.1.0 on osgeo4w and my PPAs. I've now one for stable and unstable qgis. could you add an unstable team ppa for qgis please?
07:28:28 CIA-70: kyngchaos * r10727 /trunk/qgis/mac/xcode/Qgis.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: attributetable update ( r10718, r10726 )
07:28:44 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10727]: attributetable update ( r10718, r10726 ) <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10727>
07:34:13 jctull: epifanio: ping
07:34:23 epifanio: hi jctull
07:34:33 epifanio: sorry, yesterday i was off line
07:34:36 jctull: did you work out your install_name_tool probs?
07:34:50 epifanio: i don't fix it
07:35:25 jctull: here's my command:
07:35:25 pcav: jctull: still problems with the grass shell on osx?
07:35:27 jctull: http://rafb.net/p/Tff3VV69.html
07:35:28 sigq: Title: Nopaste - No description ( at rafb.net )
07:35:43 jctull: grass shell still does not work, as of last evening
07:36:08 jctull: this is a regression, so they should be able to look back over that bug report to get some ideas on fixing it.
07:36:09 timlinux: jef: brilliant thanks
07:36:19 timlinux: jef: yes we need to have separate repos
07:36:33 timlinux: jef Ill take a look at how to do that
07:36:41 jctull: timlinux: hey there
07:36:48 jctull: how was the trekking?
07:36:49 timlinux: jef: Ill make standalone win installers
07:36:53 timlinux: jctull: hi
07:37:16 timlinux: jctull: no trekking - went to our cottage in brazil and chilled out :- )
07:37:25 jctull: that sounds nice
07:37:49 timlinux: jctull: I have my mac build stuff working nicely now
07:37:54 timlinux: uxing xcode
07:38:01 timlinux: using
07:38:14 timlinux: and even figure out how to add new sources etc to the project
07:38:45 jctull: you are now the pro! Good job!
07:38:52 timlinux: heh
07:39:06 timlinux: not quite a pro but a little bit less mystified
07:39:18 timlinux: tried out the instruments stuff a little
07:39:22 jctull: maybe you can add to the readmes so it is more clear on adding sources
07:39:33 timlinux: could do
07:39:39 jctull: instruments?
07:39:53 timlinux: for checking code performance, checking for leaks etc
07:40:03 jctull: ah, gotcha
07:40:18 jctull: I just run xcodebuild from the command line and let it churn...
07:47:10 epifanio: jctull: thanks!!! tring it right now
07:47:27 CIA-70: ludo * r10728 /docs/branches/1.0.0/french/user_guide/ ( features_at_a_glance.tex forward.tex ):
07:47:39 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10728]: -- <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10728>
07:47:43 epifanio: what is broken with the new grass gui? i tried it .. i had the "key-words shortcat problem"
07:48:47 epifanio: e.d. it seems to works fine ( at least the revison i tried ), but if type "r" it open a raster indstead of write the word "r" in the shall .. and so on for any shortcut
07:50:06 epifanio: maybe we can simply add a "fn" key, to use shotcut ? .. .insted of type "r" to open a araster, we can use "fn+r" ... or similar
07:51:55 jctull: epifanio: that is the problem, in a nutshell. I don't think key combinations are the solution as this was fixed in the past without doing that
07:52:17 epifanio: ah! ok :- )
07:56:54 pcav: epifanio: jctull: Lorenzo is busy now, and the biggest problem is that we do not have mac here, sodifficult to guess what's going on
07:57:02 pcav: not to talk about fixing it...
07:57:09 jctull: https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/7707
07:57:11 sigq: Title: Changeset 7707 - Quantum GIS - Trac ( at trac.osgeo.org )
07:57:15 pcav: we'll be glad of helping
07:57:21 jctull: that might provide clues
07:57:22 pcav: is someone has a clue
07:57:28 jctull: : )
07:58:39 darkblue_B: timlinux: ping
07:59:27 jctull: pcav: looking at the source, it appears to be quite different so that fix may not be useful.
07:59:55 pcav: it is very different
08:00:06 pcav: we incorporated a Qt widget
08:00:17 darkblue_B: timlinux: I am preparing to go to an important demo in two weeks.. I am thinking of what to show there.. QGis of course, and I am thinking of Open Modeller.. it would be good to talk about that if you have a chance
08:00:20 pcav: a stripped down Konsole
08:01:02 jctull: it seems like something that would have appeared in the qt community at some point...
09:02:31 dassouki: from the api, is there a ay to restart/reload a plugin without restarting qgis ?
09:02:39 dassouki: way*
09:03:39 dassouki: although a gdal question, is there a way i can export a shapefile line layer into ( node_a, node_b, shapelength of link_a_b )
09:03:57 dassouki: when i export it now, to a csv for example, i get ( link_a_b, attribiutes )
09:27:11 pcav: new bug...
09:27:26 pcav: could someone try to split a line?
09:27:33 pcav: I get an error
09:29:59 dassouki: pcav: no error for me kore 1.0.1 ubuntu 9.10
09:30:22 pcav: I'm working with trunk
09:30:30 dassouki: oops sorry :$
09:30:36 pcav: An error occured during feature splitting
09:30:39 jef: pcav: works for me in trunk, too
09:31:23 pcav: !!
09:31:38 pcav: so I need more testing
09:32:51 pcav: http://pastebin.com/mbf6777d
09:32:52 sigq: Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool ( at pastebin.com )
09:34:41 cfarmer: pcav: how generic is the new konsole? could it be used for an interactive python console as well?
09:35:06 pcav: it's a full shell
09:35:14 jef: terminal
09:35:23 pcav: oops, sorry
09:40:32 cfarmer: ok thanks...
10:03:03 sigq: tracfeed: Ticket #1677 ( bug created ): error while splitting a line <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/ticket/1677>
10:04:05 cfarmer: anyone here from gis-lab?
10:15:07 CIA-70: dassau * r10729 /docs/trunk/english_us/user_guide/ ( 9 files in 3 dirs ): started to add new features to the print composer - more tomorrow
10:15:08 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10729]: started to add new features to the print composer - more tomorrow <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10729>
10:26:09 CIA-70: wonder * r10730 /trunk/qgis/src/app/ ( 7 files ):
10:26:09 CIA-70: New feature: configure shortcuts for actions within main window of qgis!
10:26:09 CIA-70: See menu Setting->Configure shortcuts
10:40:09 Dorofeev: r10730 build error qgis/src/app/qgsconfigureshortcutsdialog.h:21:44: error: ui_qgsconfigureshortcutsdialog.h -no such file or directory
10:42:54 simgislab: cfarmer: hi
10:44:26 jctull: wonder_sk: http://rafb.net/p/VVvE9C65.html
10:44:27 sigq: Title: Nopaste - No description ( at rafb.net )
10:44:45 jctull: Is this possibly a side-effect of your commit?
10:44:49 cfarmer: simgislab: hi, will you be around for a bit?
10:44:51 jctull: OS X qt-4.5
10:45:00 simgislab: cfarmer: sure
10:45:21 wonder_sk: jctull: ah! forgot to add that ui file... i'll commit it in a sec
10:45:43 jctull: cool
10:46:07 cfarmer: cool... I have some questions about the Georeferencer Plugin for you...
10:46:43 CIA-70: wonder * r10731 /trunk/qgis/src/ui/qgsconfigureshortcutsdialog.ui: Forgotten to add configure dialog's ui file in last commit.
10:46:44 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10731]: Forgotten to add configure dialog's ui file in last commit. <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10731>
10:47:53 simgislab: cfarmer: ok, I'll try to answer, if I can't I know who can
10:49:02 sigq: tracfeed: Ticket #1662 ( enhancement closed ): Keyboard shortcuts for "Edit" menu <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/ticket/1662#comment:1>
10:52:45 simgislab: wonder_sk: with new shortcuts, will I be able to set shortcut for pan tool?
10:52:58 wonder_sk: simgislab: yup!
10:53:15 simgislab: nice!
10:53:40 jef: isn't the spacebar already a shortcut for that?
10:54:23 simgislab: nope, afaik
10:54:42 simgislab: well I've just tried using trunk
10:55:46 simgislab: wonder_sk: I'm afraid to ask, but did you think of some special shortcut behavior, like in photoshop, you can press space and tool switches to panning, but only temporary, until you release spacebar. This helps a lot.
10:57:30 jef: simgislab: right, that only works when digitizing. but the middle mouse button works everywhere.
10:57:45 dassouki: i'd like a shortcut to disable all toolbars, and legend
10:58:19 dassouki: so for example ctrl F12 would just show the map
10:58:29 simgislab: jef: wow
10:58:51 simgislab: just tried, perfect, thats what I meant, when I wrote to Martin
11:00:07 wonder_sk: simgislab: i thought you just wanted to make panning tool active - that's what wasn't possible before and now it is
11:00:45 simgislab: jef: it would be perfect if the cursor would change to panning one in this mode, it is little confusin now
11:01:01 simgislab: wonder_sk: I wanted both, thanks for your work : )
11:06:44 simgislab: wonder_sk: Martin, which route do you think we should take with tabbed interface?
11:07:46 wonder_sk: simgislab: have you seen my reply on mailing list?
11:07:54 simgislab: yep
11:08:39 wonder_sk: when asking for which route, what are the possibilities you're considering? : )
11:08:50 simgislab: I understood it would mean more changes to instruments
11:09:20 simgislab: yep, I'm just thinking whether this viable at all
11:09:32 simgislab: or too much trouble
11:09:43 wonder_sk: it all depends on how far do you want to go...
11:10:13 wonder_sk: i think that also incrementally we can get to a solid tabbed interface
11:10:27 simgislab: it seems to me, that this is rather strategic decision, whether we have them or not
11:11:03 simgislab: if we say yes, than we take current implementation and start improving it step by step
11:11:12 wonder_sk: probably most painful would be to add support for more canvases at once, since neither tools nor plugins nor data access classes are ready for this
11:12:16 wonder_sk: if you'd like to do some development in this area, it would be good to start RFC and put the ideas there
11:12:34 simgislab: I'm thinking of something intermediate, so we would have tabs, but won't have to redo everything
11:12:56 simgislab: so that plugins that recognize them - use them, unsure if this is possible
11:13:12 wonder_sk: my personal opinion is that for future it makes sense to have the tabs
11:13:52 wonder_sk: what pieces of qgis functionality do you consider to put into tabs?
11:14:04 wonder_sk: is that just canvas + attribute table + composer?
11:14:24 simgislab: + plugin-able views
11:14:36 wonder_sk: ok
11:14:37 simgislab: 3D, charting may be?
11:14:47 wonder_sk: why not : )
11:15:22 simgislab: did you use Arcview GIS?
11:15:29 wonder_sk: if the views will be also detachable, it think it's worth trying
11:16:15 simgislab: it has very nice detachable system of "views", not really tabs, but system of them operating in the main window
11:16:16 wonder_sk: i think i've seen it : ) at least the more recent version 9. something
11:16:25 simgislab: nope, old one
11:16:53 simgislab: I meant old one, new one is very different interface philosophy
11:17:25 wonder_sk: i think i don't know the old one
11:17:38 simgislab: anyway, there are two strategies with the tabs, as I see it
11:17:58 simgislab: 1. complete duplicates of functionality ( firefox tabs )
11:18:37 simgislab: 2. functional tabs, functionality is defined by tab type
11:20:11 wonder_sk: simgislab: option 2 makes much more sense to me
11:20:33 : * wonder_sk is going to have a beer or two
11:20:39 simgislab: second is great, but requires a whole pack of things to think about, like tab relations
11:20:51 wonder_sk: see you a bit later!
11:20:57 simgislab: sure ; )
11:21:07 wonder_sk: right
11:22:30 jctull: wonder_sk: nice on the shortcut reassignment. This takes care of grass shell problems on OS X, indirectly at least.
11:22:57 jctull: wonder_sk: although, on OS X, the command key is listed as the ctrl key in the keyboard shortcut list.
11:23:04 jctull: And ctrl is called meta
11:40:50 CIA-70: kyngchaos * r10732 /trunk/qgis/mac/xcode/Qgis.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: shortcuts update ( r10730, r10731 )
11:49:10 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10732]: shortcuts update ( r10730, r10731 ) <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10732>
11:53:55 : * timlinux returns
11:53:57 timlinux: hi wonder_sk
11:54:05 timlinux: darkblue_B: hi
11:54:51 timlinux: simgislab: we could also use dock widgets - they may give us all the functionality we want since they can be:
11:54:57 timlinux: - stacked like tabs
11:55:12 timlinux: - placed side by side for view against view comparison stuff
11:55:23 timlinux: - torn of for floating windows
11:59:23 jctull: trac site is super slow right now...
12:17:03 simgislab: timlinux: thats an option too
12:19:00 jef: timlinux: seen my message?
12:19:21 timlinux: jef about the repo?
12:19:29 jef: timlinux: yes
12:20:52 timlinux: yes will look - just been tied up doing some server maintenance
12:21:11 timlinux: jef I guess we will need to start a separate project? Will poke around launchpad
12:21:37 jef: timlinux: I don't think so. You can just add a ppa
12:21:46 wildintellect: yes
12:21:58 wildintellect: they added a new feature 1 project can have multiple ppa now
12:22:33 jef: and individuals too.
12:23:02 wildintellect: I assume you guys are talking about how to host 1.0.x and 1.1.x at the same time
12:23:10 jef: wildintellect: exactly
12:23:51 wildintellect: the bigger quirk will be if someone wants to install both on the same machine
12:27:52 CIA-70: jef * r10733 /trunk/qgis/src/app/qgsshortcutsmanager.cpp: fix compile error
12:27:53 sigq: tracfeed: Changeset [10733]: fix compile error <https://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/changeset/10733>
12:30:03 darkblue_B: timlinux: hello
13:12:17 timlinux: jef : #291701 qgis PPA package doesn't have proper orig and diff tarballs <-- that mean anything to you?
13:19:12 timlinux: jef ok so I made separate qgis-stable and qgis-unstable ppa's
13:20:27 : * timlinux has to call it a night... will continue down the release trail tomorrow night
13:20:32 jef: timlinux: no, not really. we probably need to build a tar ball.
13:20:48 jef: timlinux: ok, need to wait for the i386 packages.
13:20:56 timlinux: jef: separate to the source tarball I make from source?
13:21:34 jef: timlinux: no. I probably need to use it. I did a svn export.
13:21:44 timlinux: jef that's what I did too
13:21:53 timlinux: just svn exported on the tag
13:23:00 jef: timlinux: but I didn't create a tar ball. I just created a source package.
13:23:46 timlinux: ah
13:24:02 timlinux: so they want basically the svn export tarball to go into the repo too somwhere?
13:24:22 jef: yes
13:26:33 timlinux: ok
14:58:02 racicot: 2 meg PDF download of the QGIS/GRASS portion of a Open Source GIS workshop I helped give today at Washington URISA conference: http://www.reprojected.com/presentations/Presentations/waurisa_2009/z-pulley_QGIS_WORKSHOP.pdf
15:15:44 cfarmer: nice stuff racicot! how did the workshop go?
15:16:00 cfarmer: thanks for the shout out ;-p
15:28:14 racicot: went well... springmeyer was awesome and there was lots of good chatter.
15:28:45 racicot: cfarmer: I have another one tomorrow where we are going to look at plugin building in depth... or as in depth as you can get in 45 minutes ;- )
15:29:05 cfarmer: nice!
15:30:05 racicot: cfarmer: shout out was well deserved... your repo will probably get some hits tonight from all those new eager GISers
15:30:14 cfarmer: i'm working on one right now as well... I like the peanut butter and jelly idea... though I might be better off with something to do with potatoes here ;- )
15:31:08 cfarmer: racicot: I'll check my stats tomorrow ;- ) thanks again... I'm trying to write up the fTools section in the QGIS manual right now... but I'm not sure now much to include...
15:32:21 : * racicot has to head out for a few... kids pulling at my shirt
15:32:38 racicot: cfarmer: I will catch up more with you later... and send a link to what I come up with for tomorrow...
15:32:47 racicot: good to hear about the manual...
15:33:13 cfarmer: see you later racicot, good luck tomorrow! cheers!
15:33:42 : * cfarmer has to head out as well... night all!
15:34:01 cfarmer: simgislab: ping
15:46:09 simgislab: cfarmer: hi again
15:48:39 cfarmer: hi! I'm writting up the qgis manual section on the georeferencer, and was looking at your website ( I used google translate ;- ) ). I was just wondering if you have any other material or instructions that you think would be nice to have in the manual?
15:49:25 simgislab: I can write this part if you want.
15:49:57 cfarmer: simgislab: wow that would be great if you have time! You can just send me what you have and I'll format it and commit it...
15:50:21 simgislab: not in english, but I'd love to help with this
15:50:33 cfarmer: ... there is only one snag... it kinda needs to be done in the next few days... is that ok?
15:50:55 simgislab: including weekends?
15:51:21 cfarmer: simgislab: no write it in any language you want, I can probably just translate reinterate through whatever I get from google translate
15:51:46 cfarmer: simgislab: no, probably before the weekend... we're hoping to release the manual at the same time as we release the new version
15:52:02 simgislab: how much text you need?
15:52:19 simgislab: rough estimate
15:52:31 cfarmer: hmm, ok, just a page or two... all it really needs to have is a simple 'how to' for users not familiar with the tool
15:52:45 simgislab: got it, will do
15:52:58 cfarmer: wow, thanks! do you have my email?
15:53:17 dassouki: /j ubuntu
15:53:19 dassouki: oops
15:53:33 simgislab: yep, remember me writing you with silly questions? ; )
15:54:27 simgislab: I'll try to do it today or tomorrow
15:55:45 cfarmer: simgislab: ah yes ;-p you can also have a look at the current manual for inspiration if you want: http://download.osgeo.org/qgis/doc/manual/qgis-1.0.0_user_guide_en.pdf
15:56:24 cfarmer: thanks again! i'm going to finish off the fTools section then head off to sleep... cheers!
15:56:41 simgislab: I will
15:56:47 simgislab: wait, 1 question
15:56:50 cfarmer: sure
15:57:52 simgislab: forgive my ignorance, but are we talking about our georeferencer or old one? I don't recall Tim announcing that Georef GDAL will be in use from now on
15:59:38 cfarmer: isn't yours the one with the additional polynomial, TPS, etc transform types?
15:59:50 simgislab: yep, thats ours
16:00:17 cfarmer: .... that's included in trunk/new versions now i think
16:00:28 cfarmer: congrats ;- )
16:00:41 simgislab: so not 1.1?
16:01:11 simgislab: these revisions are little confusing, sorry
16:02:33 cfarmer: uh, now you have me confused...
16:02:37 cfarmer: yes also in 1.1
16:03:08 cfarmer: ... I think...
16:03:16 simgislab: ok, I'm writing with explanations for enhanced georeferencer then
16:03:28 cfarmer: great, thanks....
16:03:31 cfarmer: ok cheers!
16:03:35 : * cfarmer is out!
16:03:37 simgislab: I had a look at pdf, one more question?
16:03:41 simgislab: ah
16:03:46 cfarmer: hehe shoot
16:03:51 cfarmer: go ahead
16:03:52 simgislab: sorry
16:03:58 simgislab: screenshots
16:04:04 simgislab: are they uniform?
16:04:18 simgislab: somebody is making it alltogether?
16:04:32 cfarmer: ah yes, I'm trying to have all plugin screenshots the same... so just take them youself... then I'll redo them on my system
16:04:43 simgislab: gotcha
16:04:55 simgislab: you can go to sleep now : )
16:05:00 cfarmer: thanks ;- )
20:30:18 gsherman: @seen wonder_k
20:30:18 sigq: gsherman: I have not seen wonder_k.
20:30:22 gsherman: @seen wonder
20:30:22 sigq: gsherman: I have not seen wonder.
20:30:49 gsherman: @seen wonder_sk
20:30:49 sigq: gsherman: wonder_sk was last seen in #qgis 9 hours, 9 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <wonder_sk> right
20:34:52 FiReSTaRT: @seen FiReSTaRT
20:34:52 sigq: FiReSTaRT: FiReSTaRT was last seen in #qgis 3 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <FiReSTaRT> i don't see it.. is it kinda like the schematics package for esri?
20:35:13 FiReSTaRT: :D
20:35:43 FiReSTaRT: what's goin' on gary? : )
20:36:01 gsherman: nothing much
20:36:23 gsherman: just the constant challenge of trying to connect with people on the opposite side of the world
20:37:03 FiReSTaRT: that's what the net's for... we just figured out a way to one-up the frenchies for a job in morocco, almost completely with the use of open source software : )
20:37:23 FiReSTaRT: as soon as the field calculator for the table manager gets implemented, we'll eliminate the "almost" part :P
20:37:40 gsherman: heh
20:38:15 FiReSTaRT: but i don't know what i would have done without carson's support with R... that thing is VILE
20:38:48 FiReSTaRT: but effective once you smash a few holes in the wall ( with your head ) figuring out how to use it
20:38:54 gsherman: so far i've managed to avoid R altogether
20:39:51 FiReSTaRT: well it's useful if you're doing hardcore stats shit
20:40:06 FiReSTaRT: most sane people wouldn't touch that with a 10' pole
20:40:11 gsherman: i gathered, just haven't had the need
20:41:17 FiReSTaRT: it would gather a lot more popular appeal if the community developed a half-decent gui for it
20:41:50 gsherman: i thought that's what manage-r did
20:43:15 FiReSTaRT: not really... from my limited experience with it, it's more like a way to allow the user to use R on the datasets in the qgis workspace
20:44:45 FiReSTaRT: if you get to play with spotfire s+, you'll see what an actual R gui looks like, but it probably costs an arm and a leg
20:45:10 gsherman: i'll pass : )
20:45:34 FiReSTaRT: certainly.. they don't even list the price on the website ; )
20:45:56 FiReSTaRT: which would probably put it in the esri/geosoft range :O
20:47:01 FiReSTaRT: ok not QUITE as bad..
20:47:01 FiReSTaRT: License with Monthly Subscription $399.00/month
20:47:01 FiReSTaRT: License with Annual Subscription $4,788.00/year
20:48:09 gsherman: cheap at half the price
20:48:35 FiReSTaRT: depends on the extensions that you get
20:49:13 FiReSTaRT: i think the base price is about 10g's and then about 5 for annual renewal
20:49:25 gsherman: too rich for my blood
20:49:46 FiReSTaRT: well, it depends.. it would have been palatable for us while the industry was good
20:50:31 FiReSTaRT: fortunately, the chief client supplied a licence that we could use on other jobs
20:50:38 FiReSTaRT: but now............
20:52:32 FiReSTaRT: k time to pop in a movie and relax.. been working on the new system since this morning ( well yesterday morning )
20:52:34 FiReSTaRT: good night : )
20:52:48 gsherman: see ya -- !
20:58:25 : * racicot plots to use gsherman's plugin builder in a workshop tomorrow...
20:58:40 gsherman: oh goodie - i hope it works : )
20:58:49 gsherman: saw your slides - how did it go?
20:59:02 racicot: worked tonight... just make sure it is working tomorrow ;- )
20:59:09 racicot: things went well. two more tomorrow
20:59:26 gsherman: nice
20:59:55 racicot: 12 hours to come up with two more presentations... not a problem...
21:00:08 gsherman: you might even have time to sleep
21:00:26 racicot: not likely
21:00:32 gsherman: heh
21:05:16 wildintellect: ah I need to give that a shot
21:05:30 wildintellect: racicot, anything we can help with?
21:06:11 racicot: nope... just cranking on some slides and taking notes... plan to make a simple plugin live
21:06:57 racicot: just to make it a challenge I decided to do it on an old underpowered machine running a virus ridden version of XP home
21:07:01 racicot: hoping it all goes well
21:10:58 gsherman: racicot, good plan, but don't you have a win95 machine laying around?
21:11:53 racicot: its in the shop
21:12:48 gsherman: bummer
21:21:24 wildintellect: lol
21:21:38 wildintellect: I've still got an install disk, never thought of trying it for QGIS
21:21:49 wildintellect: sounds like frustration( windows )
21:22:02 gsherman: i wouldn't waste my time
21:22:12 gsherman: win95 barely ran on win95